Thoughts on Marian Apparitions

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And now that we’ve cleared up that just like all other Catholics I do not worship Mary as a God, would Kyle mind acknowledging that the word ‘worship’ as used not just by Catholics but Anglicans as well does not necessarily mean 'that owed to God alone?"

IOW, Kyle, drop the whole “I read a prayer from St. So-and-So which spoke of worshipping Mary”. . .

And I will not say one WORD about "With my body, I thee worship’ being all about men worshipping their wives. . .
 
I have to say that linguistically speaking, the Anglican Book of Common Prayer is absolutely beautiful. The marriage service especially is incredibly solemn yet joyful.
 
Tantum_ergo said:
And now that we’ve cleared up that just like all other Catholics I do not worship Mary as a God, would Kyle mind acknowledging that the word ‘worship’ as used not just by Catholics but Anglicans as well does not necessarily mean 'that owed to God alone?"

IOW, Kyle, drop the whole “I read a prayer from St. So-and-So which spoke of worshipping Mary”. . .

And I will not say one WORD about "With my body, I thee worship’ being all about men worshipping their wives. . .
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Well I won’t just simply concede that because some of the context of those prayers I am not certain about, especially the one by pope Pius XII. So I think we are on better ground to talk about some of these things, but i am not convinced in any way that no Catholics worship Mary. That being said, pleased to meet you my brother in Christ.
 
GKC said:
Nope. Like you, not in the Communion. Not likely to be, either.

GKC

posterus traditus Anglicanus.
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Ah ok. Well, I am not too concerned about not being in the Communion anymore.
 
kylemccloughan said:
Well I won’t just simply concede that because some of the context of those prayers I am not certain about, especially the one by pope Pius XII. So I think we are on better ground to talk about some of these things, but i am not convinced in any way that no Catholics worship Mary. That being said, pleased to meet you my brother in Christ.
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Actually Kyle, the Catholic Church condemned Collyridianism (the actual worship of Mary) in the 4th century. And nuns in Arkansas who actually did worship Mary were excommunicated.

God bless :byzsoc:

David
 
Tantum_ergo said:
I have to say that linguistically speaking, the Anglican Book of Common Prayer is absolutely beautiful. The marriage service especially is incredibly solemn yet joyful.
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That it is. We used a large portion of it 43 years ago, before I became Anglican, when we were married in a Southern Baptist Church. Imagine the preacher’s surprise when we told him how the service would go.

GKC
 
followingtheway said:
Actually Kyle, the Catholic Church condemned Collyridianism (the actual worship of Mary) in the 4th century. And nuns in Arkansas who actually did worship Mary were excommunicated.

God bless :byzsoc:

David
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Just for the record, i want you to know that I (a Protestant) do not have disregard for Mary. I believe that St. Mary was the greatest example of a Christian that ever walked the earth. I believe that Mary is foremost of all the saints in Heaven. I believe that she is there interceding on behalf of us in praying to our God. I love Mary and i love the fact that she gave her yes to God in bringing forth our Lord and Savior. She is deserving of our honor.
 
kylemccloughan said:
Just for the record, i want you to know that I (a Protestant) do not have disregard for Mary. I believe that St. Mary was the greatest example of a Christian that ever walked the earth. I believe that Mary is foremost of all the saints in Heaven. I believe that she is there interceding on behalf of us in praying to our God. I love Mary and i love the fact that she gave her yes to God in bringing forth our Lord and Savior. She is deserving of our honor.
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You have expounded the difference between dulia and hyperdulia. That’s it.

GKC
 
kylemccloughan said:
Just for the record, i want you to know that I (a Protestant) do not have disregard for Mary. I believe that St. Mary was the greatest example of a Christian that ever walked the earth. I believe that Mary is foremost of all the saints in Heaven. I believe that she is there interceding on behalf of us in praying to our God. I love Mary and i love the fact that she gave her yes to God in bringing forth our Lord and Savior. She is deserving of our honor.
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I’m very happy to see you realize that but thing is that’s exactly what the Catholic Church’s position on Mary is. Not as a goddess

God bless :byzsoc:

David
 
followingtheway said:
I’m very happy to see you realize that but thing is that’s exactly what the Catholic Church’s position on Mary is. Not as a goddess

God bless :byzsoc:

David
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I guess we would agree then on this broad view. The things that I don’t agree with is professing Mary to be a dispenser of grace or professing her to co-mediate with Christ. But for the most part I think I am still closer to the Catholic view of Mary than most Protestants.
 
kylemccloughan said:
I guess we would agree then on this broad view. The things that I don’t agree with is professing Mary to be a dispenser of grace or professing her to co-mediate with Christ. But for the most part I think I am still closer to the Catholic view of Mary than most Protestants.
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Speaking as a non RC, but Catholic in the Anglican tradition, I’d say you are correct, in your assessment of your own position.

GKC
 
GKC said:
Speaking as a non RC, but Catholic in the Anglican tradition, I’d say you are correct, in your assessment of your own position.

GKC
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From what I’ve seen here so far, that carries quite a bit of weight coming from you. Thank you.
 
kylemccloughan said:
not so fast David.

Encarta World English Dictionary.

Synonyms for veneration: WORSHIP
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But you only list one of the synonyms there is also respect, honour, esteem, revere, worship, adore, reverence, look up to,.

So if we respect and honour we are worshiping? :eek:
 
kylemccloughan said:
I guess we would agree then on this broad view. The things that I don’t agree with is professing Mary to be a dispenser of grace or professing her to co-mediate with Christ. But for the most part I think I am still closer to the Catholic view of Mary than most Protestants.
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The Catholic Church’s official teachings about Mary are readily available but seldom consulted by her critics.

This is a link to the website “Canterbury Tales” and a recent explanation of Mary’s role written by a former Anglican priest, now Catholic.

cantuar.blogspot.com/2011/05/is-mary-mediatrix-of-all-graces.html

Jim Dandy

P.S. His conversion story, Why I Am a Catholic, is also at this stie.
 
ronin67 said:
Also, why are we seeking other Devine proof of God’s truth? We know his plan. He has revealed it to us. What more do we need? Divination for further proof is not required and God says it is an abomination. Remember that whole guideline book of the Holy Bible God made for the Jews, which applies, in certain aspects to us as Gentiles? Consulting of mediums and spiritual divination/communication with spirits and the dead is a “Big NO NO”.

Take Care and May God bless.

Ed
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That Catholic devotion to the Mother of God should be characterized, or seen as comparable to, “consulting of mediums and spiritual divination/communication with spirits and the dead” is very ignorant (means ‘not knowing’).

The Holy Bible you value so highly didn’t fall out of heaven – it came to you through the Catholic Church. But you probably don’t know that either. Pity.

Jesus came through Mary; no Mary, no Jesus. Our Redeemer is flesh of her flesh, bone of her bone, DNA of her DNA. That’s why we love her so.

And God bless you, Jim Dandy
 
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