Thread on GOP Attacks on Trump

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FollowChrist34 said:
Yes, the GOP would in theory over time, approximately a 20 year period, another generation or two, recover from Trump. The sad thing is they were already on the road to recovery. The Tea Party wing energized the base and created a fault line between the so-called establishment (more moderate) and the outsiders. These things take time; they don’t just happen: Rubio and Cruz, both former Tea Party favorites, were well-positioned to take over the leadership (peacefully, orderly, coherently, naturally) of the GOP as the next generation. The identity and basic principles of the party would remain intact and the new renovated outsider version of the GOP was poised to take the White House. Again, a bloodless revolution. Rubio, in particular, recognized the need for the GOP to redefine and expand its base appeal. Social conservatism in this model is alive and well. Trump derailed this.

Trump plays up anger to the angry base. So does Sanders. The middle and working class (a huge number of Americans) have endured years of wage stagnation and increased cost of living, loss of jobs overseas, underemployment, unemployment. They are in panic mode, and justly so. I am in this group, as are most of us. The fact that a former liberal billionaire has come along to feed off this rage and promise us populism is not surprising, if a bit ironic. The larger concern is that we now have two large, organized wings of dissatisfied, disenfranchised Americans on either extreme side of the spectrum. Black/white racism, xenophobia, hostility to Christian, Muslims. The natives are restless.

One silver lining: Trump has exposed the Tea Party’s Achilles Heel - Reaganomics - for the middle and lower classes. If we are going to save the democratic process and structure of government under the Constitution, we need to manage and incorporate these dissatisfied groups into the system and address the fundamental economic and social injustices that are fracturing us and creating such inequality, rage. We need to dislodge militant left political correctness in education, law, media, business. Go back to genuine, informed tolerance and equal opportunity - socially, culturallly and economically. And, again, we need something a little more helpful than “Reagonomics” or “socialism.” Compromise here too.

No matter who is elected - Clinton, Cruz, Kasich - they must work to the center to diffuse this tension and toward income and social equality - again, with an eye on demilitarizing the far left and far right: learn from this Trump/Sanders fiasco - recognize the damage the Obama administration has done in alienating the ‘White Lives Matter’ types and the undeniable attacks on Christianity, traditional values. Black Lives Matter and White Lives Matter are not going away. Get rid of what is creating these movements.

Trump is unelectable and must be stopped - not an option. He is unethical, incompetent, and pouring gasoline on this fire. This country’s worst nightmare right about now. Let’s ‘do Trump’ *within the system. * Properly.
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queenofheartscv said:
Well, John MacCain, Mitt Romney and Paul Ryan were very electable. We were told by the republican party and the media so. What ever happened to their presidencies?
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You must have been sleeping and missed their presidencies. They were elected…in a parallel universe.

I think Ryan may still have an opportunity for the presidency in the future.
 
queenofheartscv said:
Well, John MacCain, Mitt Romney and Paul Ryan were very electable. We were told by the republican party and the media so. What ever happened to their presidencies?
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John McCain picked Sarah Palin, a terrible choice.

Millions did not vote for Romney–and, imo, Romney is the exact model we should consider when it comes to Trump. 3-5,000,000 Republicans did not vote because they did not think Romney was good enough (I wonder how they feel now). Many, man Republicans already say they will not vote for Trump…a repeat of history.
 
irishpatrick said:
John McCain picked Sarah Palin, a terrible choice.

Millions did not vote for Romney–and, imo, Romney is the exact model we should consider when it comes to Trump. 3-5,000,000 Republicans did not vote because they did not think Romney was good enough (I wonder how they feel now). Many, man Republicans already say they will not vote for Trump…a repeat of history.
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Donald Trump makes Mitt Romney look like Abraham Lincoln.
 
FollowChrist34 said:
Trump is unelectable
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I disagree. There is a whole lot of enthusiasm among the Trump supporters. Trump has focused in on issues that concern many people. When innocent people are having their heads chopped off because they are Christian, when nuns are slaughtered because they are running a charity for the poor, when hundreds of schoolchildren in Beslan are held hostage and killed by cowards afraid to face adults with their grievances, when innocent people are shot dead in San Bernadino, when young women are raped and molested in Europe because they are not wearing the scarf, when you can’t find a job and almost everything you buy is made in China, then you begin to realize that something needs to be done to improve the situation.
 
Tomdstone said:
I disagree. There is a whole lot of enthusiasm among the Trump supporters. Trump has focused in on issues that concern many people. When innocent people are having their heads chopped off because they are Christian, when nuns are slaughtered because they are running a charity for the poor, when hundreds of schoolchildren in Beslan are held hostage and killed by cowards afraid to face adults with their grievances, when innocent people are shot dead in San Bernadino, when young women are raped and molested in Europe because they are not wearing the scarf, when you can’t find a job and almost everything you buy is made in China, then you begin to realize that something needs to be done to improve the situation.
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Cruz and Kasich responsibly address the above issues; Trump sensationalizes them and fuels mass unrest, anger and violence.

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Great stuff from Rubio - you need about 10 mins for this video. God bless this guy.
 
irishpatrick said:
John McCain picked Sarah Palin, a terrible choice.

Millions did not vote for Romney–and, imo, Romney is the exact model we should consider when it comes to Trump. 3-5,000,000 Republicans did not vote because they did not think Romney was good enough (I wonder how they feel now). Many, man Republicans already say they will not vote for Trump…a repeat of history.
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romney lost. End of story. No how, no why.
 
Tomdstone said:
I disagree. There is a whole lot of enthusiasm among the Trump supporters. Trump has focused in on issues that concern many people. When innocent people are having their heads chopped off because they are Christian, when nuns are slaughtered because they are running a charity for the poor, when hundreds of schoolchildren in Beslan are held hostage and killed by cowards afraid to face adults with their grievances, when innocent people are shot dead in San Bernadino, when young women are raped and molested in Europe because they are not wearing the scarf, when you can’t find a job and almost everything you buy is made in China, then you begin to realize that something needs to be done to improve the situation.
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All very good points, but Senator Cruz has also addressed the same problems in a more positive, different light.

The opposition to the current frontrunner isn’t just about his bombastic style. It’s because he’s seen as an outsider who will shake up the gravy train for everyone else.

Otherwise, they’d all be running to Ted Cruz.
 
FollowChrist34 said:
Cruz and Kasich responsibly address the above issues; Trump sensationalizes them and fuels mass unrest, anger and violence.

nationalreview.com/corner
Great stuff from Rubio - you need about 10 mins for this video. God bless this guy.
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If people are serious about stopping Trump, they need to vote for Cruz. Rubio and Kasich cannot get the nomination anymore than Trump can without offending base voters (they probably won’t even get 12% of the primary vote).

The best case scenario I see at this point is Cruz winning the delegate count outright.
 
=irishpatrick;13745161]John McCain picked Sarah Palin, a terrible choice.
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No it wasn’t in the ideological sense. He needed to energize the base after toying around with the idea of Lieberman on the ticket.

But it wasn’t a good electoral college pick.

The problem was McCain didn’t let Palin get out more, and even told her to stay from Bill O’Reilly.
Millions did not vote for Romney–and, imo, Romney is the exact model we should consider when it comes to Trump. 3-5,000,000 Republicans did not vote because they did not think Romney was good enough (I wonder how they feel now). Many, man Republicans already say they will not vote for Trump…a repeat of history.
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I’ve heard reports like that, and that’s why I think Ted Cruz is the only option to stop the frontrunner.
 
SuperLuigi said:
If people are serious about stopping Trump, they need to vote for Cruz. Rubio and Kasich cannot get the nomination anymore than Trump can without offending base voters (they probably won’t even get 12% of the primary vote).

The best case scenario I see at this point is Cruz winning the delegate count outright.
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Right - I am with you on Cruz as the only alternative to Trump in terms of potentially winning a delegate count/vote at the convention. I don’t think any of the candidates (even Trump) will reach the magic number without going through a vote on the convention floor.

I worry about Cruz in this last winner take all stage up against Trump in less Cruz-friendly states, from now to the convention. I am ‘officially’ behind Cruz and I think most other non-Trump - Rubio, Kasich supporters are too.

Trump could win at the convention - in which case I think we need to run a 3rd party candidate - here I like Kasich. I saw the first local Hillary sign up today - I have to admit that they are kind of cool. It is not out of the realm of possibility that I would vote, even campaign, for her to help stop Trump.

I don’t think the GOP realizes yet what damage this weekend Trump / Black Lives Matter footage from Chicago has done to the brand. We can kiss Election 2016 goodbye.
 
FollowChrist34 said:
Right - I am with you on Cruz as the only alternative to Trump in terms of potentially winning a delegate count/vote at the convention. I don’t think any of the candidates (even Trump) will reach the magic number without going through a vote on the convention floor.

I worry about Cruz in this last winner take all stage up against Trump in less Cruz-friendly states, from now to the convention. I am ‘officially’ behind Cruz and I think most other non-Trump, Rubio, Kasich supporters are too.

Trump could win at the convention - in which case I think we need to run a 3rd party candidate - here I like Kasich. I saw the first local Hillary sign up today - I have to admit that they are kind of cool. It is not out of the realm of possibility that I would vote, even campaign, for her to help stop Trump.
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After learning more about Cruz positions on life, and how much of an expert he is on the Constitution, I am all in for Cruz.
 
irishpatrick said:
After learning more about Cruz positions on life, and how much of an expert he is on the Constitution, I am all in for Cruz.
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I respect Cruz; I don’t like him. :o Unfortunately this is a fairly common response to him, on both sides of the aisle. If he does advance as our nominee, he will be a welcome breath of fresh air after this Trump garbage. But let’s not romanticize him or the mess we are in because of Trump when we go up against Hillary. Cruz and Hillary are similar in that they are very unbending, dogmatic. I don’t think the general election would be easy or particularly pleasant - and we could win or lose. It’s a coin toss, really. Even if we shed Trump, we’ll pay for his nonsense, for years probably.
 
FollowChrist34 said:
I respect Cruz; I don’t like him. :o Unfortunately this is a fairly common response to him, on both sides of the aisle. If he does advance as our nominee, he will be a welcome breath of fresh air after this Trump garbage. But let’s not romanticize him or the mess we are in because of Trump when we go up against Hillary. Cruz and Hillary are similar in that they are very unbending, dogmatic. I don’t think the general election would be easy or particularly pleasant - and we could win or lose. It’s a coin toss, really. Even if we shed Trump, we’ll pay for his nonsense, for years probably.
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Have you ever really listened to Cruz for more than the sounds bites on tv? He becomes quite a likeable guy once you listen to him and his story.
 
irishpatrick said:
Have you ever really listened to Cruz for more than the sounds bites on tv? He becomes quite a likeable guy once you listen to him and his story.
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Yes, I have watched all of the debates. I do like his positions and think he is very articulate and committed to his principles. I don’t like what he is doing to Rubio in Florida, campaigning there - that is backstabbing and will give the state to Trump. Remember this could still go horribly wrong for Cruz. He did the same thing to Carson in Iowa - this kind of behavior reflects character. Cruz has also been involved in government shutdowns that were highly controversial and alienated as many if not more colleagues than they appealed to - Cruz has a long history of making enemies - this is also public knowledge.

I watched the Miami sit-in interviews Megyn Kelly/Fox did with Cruz and Rubio - I was amazed at how much more I preferred Rubio and this after giving him up for Cruz. I am not trying to rain on your/our parade here, believe me. We just need to face facts - this will come out in the general so we need to be prepared. The Democratic response to Cruz is amazingly defensive and hostile - expect a fight - and expect to be labeled racist and xenophobic, much worse than we possibly ever have been. Thanks Donald. Cruz could go a long way with me if Rubio went on board. But who knows, maybe it’s better not to like your candidate; I won’t care what happens so much.
 
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