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Cider
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Funny clothes? I’m not in Australia so I don’t know what they were to mass there but I haven’t seen any funny clothes at the EF masses I’ve been to in 4 different states in the US.
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JuantheTuba
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Here’s what the pastor of the TLM she has attended had to say.
rorate-caeli.blogspot.com/2013/07/final-reply-to-tracey-rowland-she.html
Personally, I think the first two points are just sweeping generalizations, and contradict each other.
The last one has a little more merit, but as time goes on it’ll diminish.
And I really haven’t encountered any of this at my parish.
rorate-caeli.blogspot.com/2013/07/final-reply-to-tracey-rowland-she.html
Personally, I think the first two points are just sweeping generalizations, and contradict each other.
The last one has a little more merit, but as time goes on it’ll diminish.
And I really haven’t encountered any of this at my parish.
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thewanderer
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Im curious… do the people at the EF masses you have been to wear suits and florrlength skirts/dresses? My experience has definitely been that of catholics, it is those who attend the EF who generally desire to dress more like people used to in previous generations. Now, obviously this is not true for every person who attends the EF, and I could be over generalizing from my own experience, but I believe that is probably what was meant by “funny clothes”. For many many people attending mass in jeans is normal, and if not in jeans than either a knee-length (or shorter) dress, or maybe slacks for a guy.
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Usige
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So by dressing in funny clothes she means people that actually dress for Mass? In that case yes most TLMs have people in funny clothes like you would see at a funeral, wedding, nice dinner, meeting an important person, etc.
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thewanderer
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Im just saying that for many, many people, that is dressing in funny clothes. The culture has changed, the way people dress has changed.Unimaginable as it is to you, it is very likely that that is actually a deterrent to some people. Trust me, where I grew up if someone came in in a suit or floorlength dress they would be noticed as standing out, it often just isn’t the way people dress anymore.
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Usige
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I’d say maybe 15 - 20% of men wear a suit, the majority wear slacks and collared shirts. For women less than 1 in 3 wear floor length skirts or dresses. The vast majority wear skirts and dresses that are mid calf.Im just saying that for many, many people, that is dressing in funny clothes. The culture has changed, the way people dress has changed.Unimaginable as it is to you, it is very likely that that is actually a deterrent to some people. Trust me, where I grew up if someone came in in a suit or floorlength dress they would be noticed as standing out, it often just isn’t the way people dress anymore.
The implication of her interview was that people at the TLM dress from a completely different era as if its like walking into a Victorian reenactment. That simply isn’t the case.
On the other hand it is sad that the lack of jeans, short or tee shirts would make people go running for the hills. The fact that most people dress nicer for work than for Mass is a sad commentary on our society.
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thewanderer
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Again, she made it clear that it was not at all the main reason. But a part of the reason nonetheless. And that I can well believe.
And I assure you mid-calf would be looked on about the same, if not worse, than floor length.
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malphono
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FWLIW, I don’t particularly agree with Ms Roland’s first point (actually I’m not sure what that point is supposed to be, but I digress), but I do with the second and third.
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Tigg
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Well…We’ve seen what’s happened to the other “dress” threads but I’ll bite anyway.
At the current time, we live in a “grunge” society and the only thing that matters is our own comfort. Whether it be flip flops and shorts, tennies, muscle shirts or jogging suits worn by grandmas at Sunday Mass, we arrive for the sacred liturgy in the same clothes we wore to mow the lawn or clean the house. Now in an earlier generation, I believe there was a greater sense of propriety and even respect for the event to which we would attend. I mean…I wouldn’t wear a bathing suit to go see the Prez, nor would I wear a white shirt and tie to a tennis match. There was a certain order to things and it wasn’t about us - it was about being proper and respectful **of the event and what would happen there. ** I mean really, I would not attend my best friend’s wedding in torn jeans with my shirt tail hanging out, but this is really becoming the norm. If you mean to say that the older generation dressed with more dignity, then I’ll have to agree. BUT I will also say we have no Latin Mass in our little town. I attend the OF and am proud that at least most of those in ministry, up on the altar at our parish, dress respectfully knowing the Lord is present in the Eucharist. This would be shirt and tie for the guys - even a blazer, a blouse and skirt or dress for the ladies, and horrors, I sometimes even wear hose if I decide to wear a dress shoe! Actually it is to honor that which is to be exalted above all else - the Catholic Mass.
And dare I say I discerned a certain mockery in the tone of Ms. Rowland with her “funny” clothes statement?
Have at it!
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Lormar
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Well…We’ve seen what’s happened to the other “dress” threads but I’ll bite anyway.
At the current time, we live in a “grunge” society and the only thing that matters is our own comfort. Whether it be flip flops and shorts, tennies, muscle shirts or jogging suits worn by grandmas at Sunday Mass, we arrive for the sacred liturgy in the same clothes we wore to mow the lawn or clean the house. Now in an earlier generation, I believe there was a greater sense of propriety and even respect for the event to which we would attend. I mean…I wouldn’t wear a bathing suit to go see the Prez, nor would I wear a white shirt and tie to a tennis match. There was a certain order to things and it wasn’t about us - it was about being proper and respectful **of the event and what would happen there. ** I mean really, I would not attend my best friend’s wedding in torn jeans with my shirt tail hanging out, but this is really becoming the norm. If you mean to say that the older generation dressed with more dignity, then I’ll have to agree. BUT I will also say we have no Latin Mass in our little town. I attend the OF and am proud that at least most of those in ministry, up on the altar at our parish, dress respectfully knowing the Lord is present in the Eucharist. This would be shirt and tie for the guys - even a blazer, a blouse and skirt or dress for the ladies, and horrors, I sometimes even wear hose if I decide to wear a dress shoe! Actually it is to honor that which is to be exalted above all else - the Catholic Mass.
And dare I say I discerned a certain mockery in the tone of Ms. Rowland with her “funny” clothes statement?
Have at it!
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corsair
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I agree with Fr. Tattersall’s comments on the matter.
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thewanderer
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I don’t really understand why you’d think I’m going to take up arms against you, but seeing as you seem to be looking for a reply, here’s what I’ve got.Well…We’ve seen what’s happened to the other “dress” threads but I’ll bite anyway.
At the current time, we live in a “grunge” society and the only thing that matters is our own comfort. Whether it be flip flops and shorts, tennies, muscle shirts or jogging suits worn by grandmas at Sunday Mass, we arrive for the sacred liturgy in the same clothes we wore to mow the lawn or clean the house. Now in an earlier generation, I believe there was a greater sense of propriety and even respect for the event to which we would attend. I mean…I wouldn’t wear a bathing suit to go see the Prez, nor would I wear a white shirt and tie to a tennis match. There was a certain order to things and it wasn’t about us - it was about being proper and respectful **of the event and what would happen there. ** I mean really, I would not attend my best friend’s wedding in torn jeans with my shirt tail hanging out, but this is really becoming the norm. If you mean to say that the older generation dressed with more dignity, then I’ll have to agree. BUT I will also say we have no Latin Mass in our little town. I attend the OF and am proud that at least most of those in ministry, up on the altar at our parish, dress respectfully knowing the Lord is present in the Eucharist. This would be shirt and tie for the guys - even a blazer, a blouse and skirt or dress for the ladies, and horrors, I sometimes even wear hose if I decide to wear a dress shoe! Actually it is to honor that which is to be exalted above all else - the Catholic Mass.
And dare I say I discerned a certain mockery in the tone of Ms. Rowland with her “funny” clothes statement?
Have at it!
Honestly, I agree that people should dress up more for Sunday mass than they do otherwise, even if it just means wearing dressy jeans, heels, and a dressy top. People should make an effort to wear nice and at least somewhat dressy clothes for Sunday Mass. But even assuming that more people started dressing up, few would think to come in a full suit and tie or floor/mid-calf length dress/skirt. The reason? That is no longer the cultural attire that is thought of as being appropriate for Mass. Whether thats a good thing or a bad thing is a very different question, I was just trying to point out that I believe her point is a valid one. If people are coming to something new, and feel out of place, its just going to be one more factor making them feel less inclined to come. Some people were dismissing this as a reason why people don’t go too the EF, and I believe it is very likely a part of the reason for some people.
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UncleBill
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Better stay away unless your styling!
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Megan7
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Exactly. I agree with you. Thank you. God bless
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YoungTradCath
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My philosophy is if you are a man and tailored clothing is uncomfortable to you, then you probably buy clothes that do not fit you properly.
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Tigg
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Thanks to the OP for finding this video and starting a thread…it is ripe for discussion and I’m surprised there has been no comments about her third point that the TLM is a “political” statement and tied together with opposition to V2. She hardly explained that loaded declaration, although we could certainly speculate what she meant. Anyone??
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Tigg
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Thanks for finding this video and starting a thread…it is ripe for discussion and I’m surprised there have been no comments about her third point that the TLM is a “political” statement and tied together with opposition to V2. She hardly explained that loaded declaration, although we could certainly speculate what she meant. Anyone??
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malphono
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I don’t think the highlighted portion was exactly the point she was trying to make. It seems to me that it is, in fact, a continuation of her 2nd point, and pertains to the views of certain people who frequent the Usus Antiquior rather to the Usus Antiquior itself.
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Cider
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Suits are not uncommon on men but slacks and dress shirts with a jacket are the norm, I’m probably one of the few women that tends to wear long dresses but that is my normal attire even out of mass. I’d say that head coverings on women is about 50/50 at diocesan EF masses I’ve been to and 75-80% at SSPX and FSSP masses. Of course the SSPX offer head covers to borrow in the narthex and have a sign regarding covering your head. I’ve seen lending head coverings at the FSSP but I don’t remember a sign. At the SSPX mass I used to attend we had at least one or two people at every mass in jeans, but they were usually guests. I’d say similar for the diocesan EF masses I’ve been to.
You are right though that those of dedicated to the EF in general make a point of dressing modestly and dressing up more than I usually see at OF masses. I’ve seen plenty of spaghetti straps, low cut and backless, jeans and quite short skirts. I’ve seen it even it at the Cathedral when being introduced to the Bishop.
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