Three Days of Darkness?

[AlexV]

Catholic theology does not teach that demons can be unleashed to destroy humanity.

 

[Myrrh23]

Hey!

I got 4 stars for my thread!! (Does the Happy Popeye’s Chicken Dance) :dancing:
Don’t you guys know anything ? Knowing how materialistic the world is, they’ll probably dress up as door-to-door salespeople and Avon Ladies and neighbors asking for a cup of free sugar!! That’s why you should NEVER watch Paid Programming at 3 am…it tempts you into eventually inviting the demons in when the Three Days of Darkness roll around! :yup:

Myrrh :juggle:

 

[Tom317]

To all,

Thank you for a wild and challenging debate. I am now going to permanently leave this thread. Thanks to all who kept pushing me on my views and may God bless you all.

 

[Potato1]

I agree, but not like the careers of so many people today, they would be servants, not self centered people out for their own advancement.

I appreciate that one would think so well of people but again, after the three days, unless our free will is taken away there will always be greed and self centered ness ESPECIALLY in a aftermath type of situation, just look at katrina. Now are you telling me that just because people were pious oncxe to the point of having candles that they would remain true to the Lord in every way, go read exodous and see how long it took the people to worship a golden calf DIRECTLY after God delivered(spared) them.

 

[Potato1]

Catholic theology does not teach that demons can be unleashed to destroy humanity.

show me where is says that they can’t.

 

[Potato1]

This isn’t about “getting along with Tom”.

It’s about correcting falsehood.

People have indeed died during possession/exorcism.

Doesn’t mean the demon killed them.

NOWHERE in any Church tradition, let alone Sacred Scripture, do demons or Satan kill human beings.

What’s the next change?

What killed the posessed then? Are you seriously saying that the conditions of possesed people physically had nothing to do with thier death.

Job is one example and notice that God says not to touch Job!!! but however his family was killed Are youi saying satan didn’t have a hand in that? God never directs the devil NOT to kill anyoneJust Job, in fact if there were a standing moratorium on Satan killing people then God would never have had to give the directive. One could also make the argument that ALL death comes from initially as we were immoratal before the fall. Now PLEASE show me in Catholic teaching as you say that the DEvil or his demons CANNOT kill people. Satan killed Jobs family.

 

[bear06]

This isn’t about “getting along with Tom”.

It’s about correcting falsehood.

People have indeed died during possession/exorcism.

Doesn’t mean the demon killed them.

NOWHERE in any Church tradition, let alone Sacred Scripture, do demons or Satan kill human beings.

I repeat, Tom’s story changed. When he saw he lost on the showing mercy issue, he changed his tune to “They’ll all be demons!”

What’s the next change?

Again I have to agree with Alex. I believe that their powers are limited. Temptation and possession seem to be their main weapons.

Also, the TToD prophecy doesn’t seem to follow suit with the previous biblical “cleansings”. God caused the rain, God made fire and brimstone fall from the sky, God sent his angel, etc. Nowhere did God let hell do the work. People suffered His wrath, not the wrath of demons.

Prophecies almost always are symbolic and rarely specific. Just some thoughts.

 

[bear06]

What killed the posessed then? Are you seriously saying that the conditions of possesed people physically had nothing to do with thier death.

Job is one example and notice that God says not to touch Job!!! but however his family was killed Are youi saying satan didn’t have a hand in that? God never directs the devil NOT to kill anyoneJust Job, in fact if there were a standing moratorium on Satan killing people then God would never have had to give the directive. One could also make the argument that ALL death comes from initially as we were immoratal before the fall. Now PLEASE show me in Catholic teaching as you say that the DEvil or his demons CANNOT kill people. Satan killed Jobs family.

This would seem to cover you question.

395 The power of Satan is, nonetheless, not infinite. He is only a creature, powerful from the fact that he is pure spirit, but still a creature. He cannot prevent the building up of God’s reign. Although Satan may act in the world out of hatred for God and his kingdom in Christ Jesus, and although his action may cause grave injuries - of a spiritual nature and,** indirectly**, even of a physical nature- to each man and to society, the action is permitted by divine providence which with strength and gentleness guides human and cosmic history. It is a great mystery that providence should permit diabolical activity, but "we know that in everything God works for good with those who love him."275

vatican.va/archive/catechism/p1s2c1p7.htm

The word indirectly would seem to mean, well, uh, not directly but via ourselves and others. If this wasn’t the case, indirectly certainly wouldn’t be there.

Remember, when we pray to St. Michael, we speak of Satan who prowls the world seeking the ruin of souls. We don’t speak of him chewing on our leg.

 

[Potato1]

This would seem to cover you question.

vatican.va/archive/catechism/p1s2c1p7.htm

The word indirectly would seem to mean, well, uh, not directly but via ourselves and others. If this wasn’t the case, indirectly certainly wouldn’t be there.

Remember, when we pray to St. Michael, we speak of Satan who prowls the world seeking the ruin of souls. We don’t speak of him chewing on our leg.

NO Satan down boy
Sure I understand your interpretation but it doesn’t speak to the point that Satan killed Jobs family. Also nowhere has it been explicitly in black and white shown to me where a demon or satan CANNOT kill or devour. In revelation the antichrist is given EXTRAORDINARY power and reighn. and yes that means power over peoples lives. Even our political learders can kill or even we can. I believe that Satan is more powerful than you or I. How come I can Kill someone but satan or a demon can’t.

 

[Potato1]

I think the point should be made also that I think that we are placing too much value on our earthly lives not our immortal souls. Itis not that great of a tradgedy for Satan to kill someone IF he has the power to do so. What is a tradgedy is ones immortal soul. This is what Christ has saved for us. So if the three days is real. If the demons can devour some faithful. And believe me those are some big ifs, one need not worry about how your earthly life ended as long as you die in grace. Which goes to my main point of why survive the three days at all. And how much longer after the three days do we have until Gods kingdom is complete.

 

[Techno2000]

What if I choose to remain outside because I am ministering to each and every soul I can, trying to get them to repent, turn to the Lord and be saved, Helping them to die in a state of grace. What if I give my candles and house to a friend, As Christ said, there is no greater love than for a man to lay down his life for his friends.

No its going to be pitch black outside you can’t see to do anything, just keep on praying until the sun comes back out.

 

[Dee_Dee_King]

wasn’t satan responsible for indirectly killing Jesus? he posessed judas who in turn handed him over to the jews and eventually to pilate for crucifiction.

doesn’t the bible say that this world is already been given over to the devil and that the fallen angels and the devil were sent to earth? they are already capable of roaming the earth.

though the devil has been definitively defeated, he does whatever he can to mess up God’s plan for us here and now on during our earthly pilgrimage. but in doing so he’s actually doing God’s will in a mysterious way since God permits him to do evil in order to bring greater good.

the devil is God’s monkey.

 

[bear06]

Here’s an article by Fr. Amorth, Chief Exorcist.

ignatiusinsight.com/features/framorth_excerpt2_aug04.asp

It give and answer the question “What harm can the devil cause to the living?”

Battery dying so no quoting for now!

 

[AlexV]

The misinformation, born of fear and terror, is astonishing.

No, the Church does not issue little file cards that “explicitly” detail and outline every possibility eventuality in life.

I realize that terribly frustrates those whose vision of theology is that we just look up an answer in a card catalogue.

Nowhere does the book of Job say that Satan went and killed Job’s family directly. Indeed, “directly” is a key word. Similarly, those who die during possession were not murdered by Satan, let alone a demon.

This thread is a memorial and monument to nonsense, and a very unCatholic view of the spiritual world. It is designed to feed fear and terror, not the hope of salvation.

I stand by my contentions. The whole image of God opening hell and letting demons loose to kill us is exactly the script of a George Romero horror movie.

 

[childofmary1143]

Let me make my position perfectly clear so that there is no confusion.

As Catholics we are allowed to believe in Approved Private Revelations. We can be allowed to believe in ones that are not yet approved but haven’t been condemned (i.e. Father Gobbi). Since the Church says that we are free to believe and it is Her Mission to show us the way to God people who believe in Approved Private Revelations should be respected.

Regarding certain unapproved but not condemned Private Revelations that deal with 3 days of darkness, apocalyptic events, one should realize that it is not our right to pass judgment on them when the Church hasn’t either. Especially when you consider that Approved Private Revelations like LaSalette or even Fatima are EXTREMELY apocalyptic.

 

[AlexV]

Not true that we can’t criticize, even harshly, private revelations…EVEN approved ones, incidentally.

Certainly unapproved ones.

The Church’s seal of approval on private revelations does NOT mean the contents of those revelations are suddenly declared factual, or immune from criticism, or beyond reproach.

It means there is nothing in them that is contrary to faith or morals. Period. Big difference.

Amazingly, almost ALL private revelations are about the apocalypse. That’s because most human beings can’t handle Christ’s clear message: you know not the day, nor the hour. Not satisfied with his be not afraid/don’t worry message, they seek details, secrets, information.

Catholics have better things to do. For every private revelation you study, you could have read an hour from the Divine Office. Guess what? The Divine Office is the MOST POWERFUL AND EFFICACIOUS of prayers after the Mass. Not the Rosary, not the Chaplet of Divine Mercy, not the Fatima Prayers…the Divine Office.

 

[Sir_Knight]

The Divine Office is the MOST POWERFUL AND EFFICACIOUS of prayers after the Mass. Not the Rosary, not the Chaplet of Divine Mercy, not the Fatima Prayers…the Divine Office.

Do you have a reference for this? I always thought that the Rosary was " the MOST POWERFUL AND EFFICACIOUS of prayers after the Mass".

 

[AlexV]

Alas, another symptom of the collapse of catechesis in our time.

The Mass is the highest prayer.

The Divine Office is the next highest after that. It is liturgical prayer.

The Rosary is not liturgical prayer, praiseworthy and efficacious as it is, and highly to be recommended.

 

[childofmary1143]

Not true that we can’t criticize, even harshly, private revelations…EVEN approved ones, incidentally.

Can you provide a source for that justification?

Amazingly, almost ALL private revelations are about the apocalypse. That’s because most human beings can’t handle Christ’s clear message: you know not the day, nor the hour. Not satisfied with his be not afraid/don’t worry message, they seek details, secrets, information.

I don’t know about that but Public Revelation also deals with the apocalypse too if you read the last book of the Bible.

Catholics have better things to do. For every private revelation you study, you could have read an hour from the Divine Office. Guess what? The Divine Office is the MOST POWERFUL AND EFFICACIOUS of prayers after the Mass. Not the Rosary, not the Chaplet of Divine Mercy, not the Fatima Prayers…the Divine Office.

It is extremely disturbing for you to lecture what Catholics have better things to do. I consider that to be very prideful.

 

[AlexV]

It’s extremely dangerous for you and others to be spreading fear, terror, and false views of Catholicism and its tenets.

It is objective fact that it would be better for a Catholic to pray the Divine Office than to read up on a private revelation, especially an unapproved one. Liturgical prayer is the highest form of worship we can offer God, and the most efficacious form of supplication, thanksgiving, you name it.

And I will continue to spread the truth, not subscribe to terror and fear.

As for Revelation, I have read it. In Greek, in fact. No Three Days of Darkness there!