Three Days of Darkness?

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Michael_Howard said:
What you are failing to mention is the scruntiny each message and “messenger” is put under. The former Cardinal Ratzinger now Pope is a brilliant mind and one of the most brilliant and intelligent theologians in the world. He himself declared this message to be an “extension” of the Fatima message, why not take heed?

God spoke through His prophets in the past, people lauged, scoffed and ignored their warnings right up to the day that their city or nation was destroyed, why would you deem saints any less worthy of great attention? Look at the message I quoted, priest against priest, bishop against bishop, cardinal against cardinal, sound familiar friend?
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When do you imagine that Bishops have NOT been against other Bishops?? Ever read about the early Church councils???
 
Michael_Howard said:
What you are failing to mention is the scruntiny each message and “messenger” is put under. The former Cardinal Ratzinger now Pope is a brilliant mind and one of the most brilliant and intelligent theologians in the world. He himself declared this message to be an “extension” of the Fatima message, why not take heed?

God spoke through His prophets in the past, people lauged, scoffed and ignored their warnings right up to the day that their city or nation was destroyed, why would you deem saints any less worthy of great attention? Look at the message I quoted, priest against priest, bishop against bishop, cardinal against cardinal, sound familiar friend?
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For one, the period of public revelation ended with the Apostles… many Saints have had demons appear to them as angels of light, so good people may recieve delusion, and hopefully they test the spirits and are not ultimately fooled. God has given us all we need for our salvation, so why should I go around collecting visions???

Look at the conspiracy theories that have been spread since Fatima… they cast doubt on the honesty of the magisterium, claiming they lied about this “third secret” and are decieving us… should an authentic apparition cause such divisiveness?
 
RPConover said:
When do you imagine that Bishops have NOT been against other Bishops?? Ever read about the early Church councils???
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How many of those scoffed at the Eucharist being the body, blood soul and divinity of Christ, how many of those bishops shook their fist in the face of the Pope and said, “I’m the bishop”, the Popes in Rome so I’m the boss.

You are not thinking clearly, we are in apostate times where the heirarchy of the church is denying what has unified us since the beginning. You have priests consecrating buntcake and coolaid, dressing like clowns, supporting the killing of babies, desecration at all levels unparalled and the COMPLETE denial of any authority but themselves.

Now, consider the words of Akita carefully, if you do not want to believe it then don’t, end it at that. Many do believe it and can see the fulfillments coming to pass, I’m one of them. I believe very few appiritions, but Fatima and Akita are all together different in my opinion
 
RPConover said:
For one, the period of public revelation ended with the Apostles… many Saints have had demons appear to them as angels of light, so good people may recieve delusion, and hopefully they test the spirits and are not ultimately fooled. God has given us all we need for our salvation, so why should I go around collecting visions???

Look at the conspiracy theories that have been spread since Fatima… they cast doubt on the honesty of the magisterium, claiming they lied about this “third secret” and are decieving us… should an authentic apparition cause such divisiveness?
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Please quote me the scripture that says, “public revelation ended with the last Apostle”? I seem to remember St. Paul saying, “He gave some to be prophets”…
 
RPConover said:
For one, the period of public revelation ended with the Apostles… many Saints have had demons appear to them as angels of light, so good people may recieve delusion, and hopefully they test the spirits and are not ultimately fooled. God has given us all we need for our salvation, so why should I go around collecting visions???

Look at the conspiracy theories that have been spread since Fatima… they cast doubt on the honesty of the magisterium, claiming they lied about this “third secret” and are decieving us… should an authentic apparition cause such divisiveness?
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So, if what you are saying is correct since “public revelation ended with the last Apostle”, all the saints must be decieved by the devil and spouting devilish visions correct?
 
Michael_Howard said:
So, if what you are saying is correct since “public revelation ended with the last Apostle”, all the saints must be decieved by the devil and spouting devilish visions correct?
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No, but neither does anyone have to believe private revelation either… I’m sure you know that of course, but these revelations spawn fanclubs of people who act as if someone is less-Catholic or being foolish in not believing them.
 
Michael_Howard said:
Please quote me the scripture that says, “public revelation ended with the last Apostle”? I seem to remember St. Paul saying, “He gave some to be prophets”…
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Catholic Encyclopedia, Under “revelation”, section V.

“It remains here to distinguish the Christian Revelation or “deposit of faith” from what are termed private revelations. This distinction is of importance: for while the Church recognizes that God has spoken to His servants in every age, and still continues thus to favour chosen souls, she is careful to distinguish these revelations from the Revelation which has been committed to her charge, and which she proposes to all her members for their acceptance. That Revelation was given in its entirety to Our Lord and His Apostles. After the death of the last of the twelve it could receive no increment. It was, as the Church calls it, a deposit – “the faith once delivered to the saints” (Jude, 2) – for which the Church was to “contend” but to which she could add nothing.”
 
RPConover said:
No, but neither does anyone have to believe private revelation either… I’m sure you know that of course, but these revelations spawn fanclubs of people who act as if someone is less-Catholic or being foolish in not believing them.
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True, you do not have to believe of course, but, this does not negate the fact that it may be true, nor does any craziness that may ensue agree? In fact, we should EXPECT the devil to muddle up any pure message from heaven agree?
 
RPConover said:
Catholic Encyclopedia, Under “revelation”, section V.

“It remains here to distinguish the Christian Revelation or “deposit of faith” from what are termed private revelations. This distinction is of importance: for while the Church recognizes that God has spoken to His servants in every age, and still continues thus to favour chosen souls, she is careful to distinguish these revelations from the Revelation which has been committed to her charge, and which she proposes to all her members for their acceptance. That Revelation was given in its entirety to Our Lord and His Apostles. After the death of the last of the twelve it could receive no increment. It was, as the Church calls it, a deposit – “the faith once delivered to the saints” (Jude, 2) – for which the Church was to “contend” but to which she could add nothing.”
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Of course, no saint would put their message on par with Scared Scripture we both agree, the office of prophet remains, the saints speak prophetically. I’m not sure you answered my question though, does God give his saints visions and messages or are they all decieved by the devil? You must remember the critera to judge a message or vision worthy, it must not contradict scripture or tradition.
 
Michael_Howard said:
True, you do not have to believe of course, but, this does not negate the fact that it may be true, nor does any craziness that may ensue agree? In fact, we should EXPECT the devil to muddle up any pure message from heaven agree?
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The Devil may very well try to muddy the waters, but even before that…what does believing in the apparitions do, since they all seem to simply say to pray for God’s mercy, and for the clergy, and to avoid sin? How could a Christian not already know to do these things? Everything else concerns horrible fearful visions of destruction… if one is in a state of grace and a practicing Christian, what on earth does one have to fear!!!
 
RPConover said:
The Devil may very well try to muddy the waters, but even before that…what does believing in the apparitions do, since they all seem to simply say to pray for God’s mercy, and for the clergy, and to avoid sin? How could a Christian not already know to do these things? Everything else concerns horrible fearful visions of destruction… if one is in a state of grace and a practicing Christian, what on earth does one have to fear!!!
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Well, simply ignore them brother, it’s that easy.
 
RPConover said:
The many followers who quote the messages as if it were gospel make it difficult sometimes… 😃
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Well, it’s something you’ll have to learn to deal with then. BTW, you still have not answered my question, are all the messages and visions of the saints of the devil or can you admit some may be very well from God? What about apparitions, all from the devil?
 
RPConover said:
The Devil may very well try to muddy the waters, but even before that…what does believing in the apparitions do, since they all seem to simply say to pray for God’s mercy, and for the clergy, and to avoid sin? How could a Christian not already know to do these things? Everything else concerns horrible fearful visions of destruction… if one is in a state of grace and a practicing Christian, what on earth does one have to fear!!!
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Knowledge of the future is a Powerful
thing, you can help others who will be confused about what is happening in the world, and the Church, then the tribulation comes.
 
Here is more private reveation of this matter;

La Salette:

**"Mélanie, what I am about to tell you now will not always be a secret. You may make it public in 1858. **
The priests, ministers of my Son, the priests, by their wicked lives, by their irreverence and their impiety in the celebration of the holy mysteries, by their love of money, their love of honours and pleasures, the priests have become cesspools of impurity. Yes, the priests are asking vengeance, and vengeance is hanging over their heads. Woe to priests and those dedicated to GOD who by their unfaithfulness and their wicked lives are crucifying my Son again! The sins of those dedicated to GOD cry out towards Heaven and call for vengeance, and now vengeance is at their door, for there is no one left to beg mercy and forgiveness for the people. There are no more generous souls, there is no one left worthy of offering a stainless sacrifice for the sake of the world.

GOD will strike in an unprecedented way.

Woe to the inhabitants of the earth! GOD will exhaust His wrath upon them, and no one will be able to escape so many afflictions together.

The chiefs, the leaders of the people of GOD have neglected prayer and penance, and the devil has bedimmed their intelligence. They have become wandering stars which the old devil will drag along with his tail to make them perish. GOD will allow the old serpent to cause divisions among those who reign in every society and in every family. Physical and moral agonies will be suffered. GOD will abandon mankind to itself and will send punishments which will follow one after the other for more than thirty-five years.

christusrex.org/www1/apparitions/http:/pr00008.htm
 
If there are 3 days or 30 days of darkness who cares. Are we not followers of Jesus. Why should we be afraid? The Lord is my light and my salvation. Whom should I fear? I guess my point is scare tactics are silly. Special lit candles? For Heavens sake. God is Mercy and Love. Why should we need special candles? Isn’t that putting the Lord God into a magicians box? We should be praying for the coming of his Kingdom. We should be praying for a new Pentecost. We need the Holy Spirit. We don’t need any more fear in this world. God knows we have enough. Pray for Peace, have a Blessed Pentecost!
 
sosayi1960 said:
If there are 3 days or 30 days of darkness who cares. Are we not followers of Jesus. Why should we be afraid? The Lord is my light and my salvation. Whom should I fear? I guess my point is scare tactics are silly. Special lit candles? For Heavens sake. God is Mercy and Love. Why should we need special candles? Isn’t that putting the Lord God into a magicians box? We should be praying for the coming of his Kingdom. We should be praying for a new Pentecost. We need the Holy Spirit. We don’t need any more fear in this world. God knows we have enough. Pray for Peace, have a Blessed Pentecost!
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Fear of the Lord is a gift of the Holy Spirit, is it not?
 
Shoshana said:
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Fear of the Lord is a gift of the Holy Spirit, is it not?
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Yes, fear of the the Lord means respect out of the majesty of God. However, doesn’t scripture tell us " Do not be afraid". I can’t imagine that God is gonna get us. That certainly is not the message of our Lord. We are not worthy to see God face to face. I think our Lord tried to teach us respect , yes we tremble before God, does not the Spirit come to the aid of our weakness.? My point is our loving God, demands our respect and our love, but ain’t out ot get us. Is not his Mercy greater than his Justice? If not, we are all going to hell. Be at Peace
 
Shoshana said:
Fear of the Lord is a gift of the Holy Spirit, is it not?
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Fear isn’t a bad place to start. I’m thinking of fear as in reverence and respect for God. Not fear as in being afraid of God. That’s a poor translation.
 
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