Three Derby men guilty over gay hate leaflets

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Three men have been found guilty of stirring up hatred on the grounds of sexual orientation after handing out anti-homosexual leaflets.

bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-derbyshire-16656679

Trust our Muslim friends to demonstrate what real homophobic hatred looks like. I have to admit feeling slightly relieved, I mean this is extremely nasty, and I’m glad they were prosecuted. I’d begun to think Islam in this country, was immune from prosecution. I guess when they went up against that powerful pro-gay lobby, it was a step too far eh?
 
The answer to speech we disagree with is more speech, not censorship. If their rights aren’t safe neither are any of our’s. I’m so glad to live in a country that respects the free speech rights of even its most unpopular citizens.
 
Loml said:
Others including us Christians have done worse than hand out leaflets.
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I think I would leave the “us” out of it, in the interests of avoiding moral slander. You have no idea what any particular Christian other than perhaps the occasional nut case has done to homosexuals. And, after all, at least putative “Christians” are going to do worse to the guys who handed out leaflets than the leaflet distributers ever did…and those putative “Christians” (or at least “infidels”) are doing it for the benefit of homosexuality.
 
SamTheNewfie said:
The answer to speech we disagree with is more speech, not censorship. If their rights aren’t safe neither are any of our’s. I’m so glad to live in a country that respects the free speech rights of even its most unpopular citizens.
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Even free speech has limits, contrary to popular belief. When the rights of other free citizens are infringed (in this case, the right of a homosexual person to live their life without fear), that is when the line is overstepped and something has to be done.

We have in this country the Human Rights Act and the Equality Act, both of which stop anyone from being discriminated against on the basis of sexuality, and allow said persons to live their lives freely. What these men did in handing out leaflets was infringe upon this by making some members of the community fearful of attack and even going out.
 
Kouyate42 said:
Even free speech has limits, contrary to popular belief. When the rights of other free citizens are infringed (in this case, the right of a homosexual person to live their life without fear), that is when the line is overstepped and something has to be done.
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True threats are not protected under the First Amendment. It doesn’t appear there were threats on these leaflets.
 
Kouyate42 said:
Read post no.5 please.
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So any statement that might make a person “fearful of attack” should be banned? Blonde jokes make me kind of scared. If I didn’t live in a country with a Supreme Court that understands the concept of overbroad laws and chilling effects, I might call the cops when I hear one.
 
SamTheNewfie said:
So any statement that might make a person “fearful of attack” should be banned? Blonde jokes make me kind of scared. If I didn’t live in a country with a Supreme Court that understands the concept of overbroad laws and chilling effects, I might call the cops when I hear one.
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Problem is that there have been a number of attacks on gay people by Islamicists in the UK. This isn’t some ‘well it might happen so let’s put them in jail’ scenario. It’s very real. And these people who hand out these leaflets will often be very much prepared to act upon those threats.
 
FightingFat said:
These leaflets were suggesting the death penalty!
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Does anybody really think they don’t say that in their mosques and madrassas all the time anyway? Does anybody in Britain not know it? They ought to be a lot more concerned about the numbers of Islamists there and their power to control political events than about some leaflets.
 
Kouyate42 said:
Problem is that there have been a number of attacks on gay people by Islamicists in the UK. This isn’t some ‘well it might happen so let’s put them in jail’ scenario. It’s very real. And these people who hand out these leaflets will often be very much prepared to act upon those threats.
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And now they know that only acts will have an effect.
 
FightingFat said:
Does it? Where?
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In Leviticus. And even in the New Testament, Romans 1 calls homosexual behavior ‘unnatural’, among other passages, so you can’t use the usual ‘well that’s the OLD Testament’ argument.
 
Kouyate42 said:
In Leviticus. And even in the New Testament, Romans 1 calls homosexual behavior ‘unnatural’, among other passages, so you can’t use the usual ‘well that’s the OLD Testament’ argument.
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The New Testament does NOT call for the death penalty of homosexuals; however, Romans 1 makes it clear that homosexual acts are sinful.

Romans 1:24 Therefore God also gave them up to uncleanness, in the lusts of their hearts, to dishonor their bodies among themselves, 25 who exchanged the truth of God for the lie, and worshiped and served the creature rather than the Creator, who is blessed forever. Amen.
26 For this reason God gave them up to vile passions. For even their women exchanged the natural use for what is against nature. 27 Likewise also the men, leaving the natural use of the woman, burned in their lust for one another, men with men committing what is shameful, and receiving in themselves the penalty of their error which was due.
 
Kouyate42 said:
In Leviticus. And even in the New Testament, Romans 1 calls homosexual behavior ‘unnatural’, among other passages, so you can’t use the usual ‘well that’s the OLD Testament’ argument.
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OK, in Leviticus 18:22 and 20:13, in the course of describing the conditions necessary for belonging to the Chosen People, the author excludes from the People of God those who behave in a homosexual fashion. That’s not quite the same as demanding they are killed, is it?

You might want to check this out for a fuller understanding of what the Church actually teaches.

vatican.va/roman_curia/congregations/cfaith/documents/rc_con_cfaith_doc_19861001_homosexual-persons_en.html
 
Kouyate42 said:
Problem is that there have been a number of attacks on gay people by Islamicists in the UK. This isn’t some ‘well it might happen so let’s put them in jail’ scenario. It’s very real. And these people who hand out these leaflets will often be very much prepared to act upon those threats.
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Noe here is the rub on this, how on earth would anyone know if you were gay unless you told them. This is not like a racial attack were skin color or physical features are obvious to all, but a particular perversion being raised up by worshipful leftist.
 
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