Three Positive Signs for Obama's Re-Election Chances

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I was not an Obama supporter in the Democratic primary; I supported Hillary, which I’m sure will endear me even more to you and other Conservatives on this thread! But I did vote for Obama in the general election rather than McCain and his top-notch running mate. So I’m under no illusion that any of these politicians personally cares about me or you. However, let’s hope the person elected can do some good for the country as a whole on the economic and foreign policy fronts.
Last point I will make about this: Within about a week last year, SoS Hillary stated that Israeli settlements *on their own land* are illegitimate, that Basher Assad was a "reformer", and that Al Jezeera is the news organ that everyone should watch to get real news. I'm sorry, and this may be offensive, but those opinions are nuts, and definitely not pro-Israel. :( Rob
 
Abortion is a holocaust, on a greater scale.

42 million a year, it is like 8 holocausts happening every year.

Would you have voted for Hitler (for his stance on fixing the economy), despite his support of genocide?

God forbid, you become a single issue voter, after all genocide is only one of the social justice issues :roll eyes:

An unborn child is of the same worth, and dignity as any born human being.
42 million per year is 8 times the amount of jews killed in the holocaust (by orthodox statistics), and so you will vote for a man who has supported this new genocide, only because he supports other issues.
Genocide is the attempt at eliminating a WHOLE group of people based on the group’s nationality, ethnicity, race, or religion. Abortion does not attempt to do this. If you wish to call abortion murder, call it such; but don’t call it genocide.
 
Peace through strength is one thing, and I believe in that. But peace through war is quite another thing. The way Santorum is talking, it sounds to me he’s ready to engage in war with Iran. I realize, however, that once a candidate is elected, they often change their tune, in a hurry.
MB, that is the mantra about Santorum now, but they tried to scare people about Reagan too. To me, a fair reading of what Rick said does not convey a bellicosity. :cool: Rob
 
Genocide is the attempt at eliminating a WHOLE group of people based on the group’s nationality, ethnicity, race, or religion. Abortion does not attempt to do this. If you wish to call abortion murder, call it such; but don’t call it genocide.
True, elder brother in the Faith 🙂

Call it infanticide.
 
Last point I will make about this: Within about a week last year, SoS Hillary stated that Israeli settlements on their own land are illegitimate, that Basher Assad was a “reformer”, and that Al Jezeera is the news organ that everyone should watch to get real news. I’m sorry, and this may be offensive, but those opinions are nuts, and definitely not pro-Israel. 😦 Rob
I watch Al Jezeera news. It’s much better-balanced and in-depth reporting than CNN, MSNBC, Fox News, and even PBS. Many of the correspondents are British and the reporting is not pro-Arab.
 
I am quite surprised you say you do not know since I have addressed this before and I would have been almost certain you were a participant on such a thread.

But for your benefit I would again say that living in a democratic society of pIural beliefs I have struggled a great deal throughout my life trying to balance the rights of the unborn with the legal rights of women on this issue.

And upon much prayer and the use of my rational mind (thank you btw), it is still not simply a black and white issue to me. And thus on this one particular issue I currently separate my personal religious and faith beliefs from what is now legal under the law of the land in a democracy of plural beliefs.

At the moment I am still uneasy beyond current law to force by mandate onto others my faith beliefs as to when human life with a soul begins and when personhood rights should begin. I am not yet comfortable making it illegal for a woman to choose in cases of rape or incest or illegal for her to choose to save her life.

We have had a law of the land for nearly 40 yrs now. It allows for restrictions. I have voted to restrict minors for instance from being able to obtain a legal abortion without parental notification. Subject to a judicial “out” in cases where the minor could be threatened with harm by her parents if they were notified.

So at this time I strive for some common ground. And since it is legal with restrictions allowed, safe but rare seems like a rational place to me to start. And I turn my attention then to the many other issues I as a pro life voter must ponder, consider, and pray upon.

Frankly this one issue is not something in which I have ever singularly based my voting on. And I certainly have never said, oh this candidate is pro choice so I am going to vote for him or her. There are always plenty of other differences between the candidates which I weigh and pray upon.

Abortion is an important issue but perfection is not on earth. There will always be some satisfied with and others unhappy with a particular earthly law. And so I do not believe the focus of a democratic society of plural beliefs on abortion should be such then that it occurs at the expense and detriment of a multitude of other life issues in which I believe Jesus at least as much directly addressed.
So, you think its okay to kill a baby who is innocent and did not choose their father? Tell Rebeccac Kiessling she should have died (She was conceived by Rape). Do not punish a child for the CRIME OF THE FATHER.

And there’s no such thing as “Safe and rare” when it comes to abortion. Its not safe at all (women being injured happens and the MSM does not report this).

Name FIVE condittions where it would be permissible to take the LIFE of an INNOCENT CHILD to “protect the woman’s health” cause I certanly can’t think of ANY.
 
MB, that is the mantra about Santorum now, but they tried to scare people about Reagan too. To me, a fair reading of what Rick said does not convey a bellicosity. :cool: Rob
I’m not reporting what I heard ABOUT Santorum; I’m reporting what I actually heard him say. I recall everyone said Reagan was a war-monger, and you’re right that the media tried to scare people with the image of a cowboy bent on war. Who would have thought that George W. Bush and perhaps Obama turned out to be war-mongers?
 
What proportionate reasons would allow a Catholic to vote for Obama in spite of his suport of unrestricted yaxpayer abortion on demand?
Since you have been posting for years, I imagine you may have read quite a few diverse opinions.
 
I watch Al Jezeera news. It’s much better-balanced and in-depth reporting than CNN, MSNBC, Fox News, and even PBS. Many of the correspondents are British and the reporting is not pro-Arab.
I read it online and I agree. I also read several Isreali newspapers. It’s amazing what you learn when you don’t rely on the American press.
 
That’s what I thought you would say. There is no point in further discussion.
Or you could tell us what proportionate reasons would allow a Catholic to vote for Obama in spite of his support of unrestricted taxpayer funded abortion on demand
 
Or you could tell us what proportionate reasons would allow a Catholic to vote for Obama in spite of his support of unrestricted taxpayer funded abortion on demand
I’d love to discuss my opinion with a member of a Catholic forum. I would not like to publish my opinion with a shill for the RNC.
 
Of course not. Many voters DO understand that the housing boom and bust were the direct result of Bush’s 8 years. As were two wars in the middle east. As was the prolonged recession that resulted from Bush’s economic policies. :coffeeread:

And it was the GOP, not Obama, who turned Congress into a gigantic game of “chicken” over the budget and debt ceiling. Voters DO understand this sort of thing. 🤷

Never mind Obama’s approval ratings. Have you seen the ratings for Congress?:eek:
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Because you ARE discussing this with a member of a catholic forum. Say what you got to say - no need to try to undermine estesbob’s opinion ((calling him a shrill as if we should just disregard what he has to say))

I’ve been posting on CAF for quite some time and I highly respect him as a poster. Your only doing yourself a disservice with cheap shots.
 
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