Three Positive Signs for Obama's Re-Election Chances

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I’ve been suspended three times, but I don’t think anyone is out to get me banned. 🤷 That’s why you appeared paranoid. Whatever floats your boat… 👍
Did I say someone was out to get me banned? I specifically remember referencing the fact that my posts do not run contrary to Catholic doctrine since, obviously, I have not been banned.
 
I just wish we had other choices – candidates, Republicans and Democrats, who were really pro-life. I consider the Republicans of today to be really pro-death with a vengeance, while Democrats are pro-death, but not as much. Huntsman seems to be the best of the lot, and even he is back-peddling on issues.

The main problem I have with Republicans of today (and with Democrats to some extent)is their lack of environmental concern/awareness. I think the problem they and their adherents have is a wrong view of the environment – as being something on the fringes of human society, the wild places and species, the rainforest and polar bears – while in fact it is also the air we breathe, the water we drink, the food we eat, the chemicals that permeate through our skin, the materials with which we build our buildings and produce our products, and the climate in which we survive and thrive.

It is God’s good creation, which we are to use for our material sustenance and well-being in lives dedicated to building up the kingdom of God and its righteousness – not in destroying the life-sustaining base of others. In this day and age in which we live in seemingly hermetically sealed human-made constructions, there is a tendency to think that we are autonomous, self-sufficient, and apart from the rest of God’s creation (Enlightenment concepts of man carrried to an extreme); we lack ecological understanding. Here’s an image that may help:



Now picture that “bullseye” model sitting within God’s hand, and you will have the complete picture.

There have been Republicans in the past who were not so limited and wrong in their thinking – Teddy Roosevelt and Nixon, to name two. And the saints of old had profound sensing and appreciation of God’s creation, and found it to inspire contemplation of God.

Nowadays when the environmental threats are extremely serious – there are at least 9 such threats to life on earth, global warming just being one of them (see stockholmresilience.org/planetary-boundaries ) – people, especially conservatives, have all the more withdrawn into a shell of disregard for the environment, esp when it comes to acknowledging their own part in harming it and the life that depends on it, including fetuses, born humans, and other living creatures.

Conservatives of today seem to be morally bankrupt on this issue, just as liberals are morally bankrupt on other issues (and also on the environment, which they do not focus on hardly at all, but at least are not as antagonistic toward it). The conservatives in the current politics seem to be getting worse and worse and worse. I myself used to be a conservative in the 1950s and 60s – it was not so bad then. They were reasonable and moderate. I could vote for a Nixon or a Teddy Roosevelt, if someone of their stature were around today.

I think we really need to put life first, and that means putting the environment first (without which life would be impossible). All else (the economy, rejecting gay marriage, making abortions illegal) is just arranging the deckchairs on the Titanic and putting some in the brig for violating ship rules. Without life (without a sustainable environment), all these issues are moot points. Or another way of looking at it is that killing off life is the surest way to end abortion, but it is not the most felicitous way. Where is King Solomon when you need him?

After first insisting on a sustainable environment that supports life, and giving serious and due focus to it, then we can make all sorts of other rules and laws to restrict bad and evil behavior. Killing everyone to solve social problems it not an option with me.

Anyway, that’s why it is very hard for me to support any candidate, especially conservatives. They are not dealing with fundamental life issues, only secondary and limited life issues. This has the appearence of a mask for their true aim of dismantling social programs – like social security, medicare, medicaid, Obamacare, and welfare that help people survive – and they are certainly against increasing these, so they can get more taxes back in their pockets for their own selfish pursuits.

Life with me is a non-negotiable. There would be no life without God’s given environment (food, water, air, etc), and there’d be no economy without life and human society. You can call me a one-issue voter, an “environmental fundamentalist,” I guess.

Let the conservative candidates, instead of vying to see who is the most anti-environmental, get into conservation, conservancy, co-service, as stewards of God’s creation, keeping the garden, as God commanded us in the Garden of Eden, certainly not destroying it or allowing society to willy nilly destroy it. Let the candidates acknowledge the legitimate science of environmental and climate scientists (which Huntsman did, but then back-peddled), rather than deny it and assassinate the character of those good and decent scientists. Then they will have moral legs to stand on, and everyone will vote for them.

If Obama wins (which I hope he does, since he is the least pro-death, and that’s not saying much), it is because the conservatives have not fielded a truly pro-life candidate.
 
Not at all. Experienced much, suspended a couple times. It has taught me to be much more mild mannered toward those of opposite viewpoints than they are to me…for example, I would never inquire how paranoid you are. 🙂
Hate to break it to you, but right wing Catholics get suspended/banned too.

Your thinking the mods only discipline lefties is paranoia.
 
This is absolutely true. Our coverage has nearly doubled. :mad:
Not for me it hasn’t. Matter of fact, insurance companies seem to be falling over themselves to offer low-cost plans (not comprehensive, but not exorbitantly priced either). They are certainly better than self-treatment or misuse of ERs - and fairer too.

www.healthcare.gov

For my state (Texas), options begin at approx. $160 to $180 per month. Not Cadillac plans by any means, but they sure beat private pay.
 
Not for me it hasn’t. Matter of fact, insurance companies seem to be falling over themselves to offer low-cost plans (not comprehensive, but not exorbitantly priced either). They are certainly better than self-treatment or misuse of ERs - and fairer too.
You are an employer?
 
Hate to break it to you, but right wing Catholics get suspended/banned too.

Your thinking the mods only discipline lefties is paranoia.
Did I speak the words you are putting in my mouth? Not at all. Stop trying to cloud the issue. I was specifically referring to adherence to Church doctrine, not to political ideology, but I’ll be happy to keep on repeating that fact if you keep on ‘misunderstanding’ me…

I think we can all agree that the Catholic doctrine does not side with partisan political ideology.
 
When I read a very recent post in this thread that said that Obama was the least pro-death candidate running, I had to take everything else written as a joke.
 
Did I say someone was out to get me banned?
Yes.
I suspect the ‘report post’ button gets clicked quite frequently…with no effect that has satisfied my detractors yet, obviously - as I have not yet been banned.
I specifically remember referencing the fact that my posts do not run contrary to Catholic doctrine since, obviously, I have not been banned.
Being banned has nothing to do with Catholic doctrine. It has to do with levels of charity. I earned my suspensions, so I harbor no ill will toward those who reported me or the moderators. I also don’t think my detractors are trying to get me banned.

Anyway, we are off-topic and discussing moderator actions…both contrary to forum rules. Are you trying to get me suspended!!! 😉 😃
 
When I read a very recent post in this thread that said that Obama was the least pro-death candidate running, I had to take everything else written as a joke.
A joke that was adressed in 2008:

*To portray the 2008 Democratic Party presidential ticket as the preferred ‘‘prolife’’ option is to subvert what the word ‘‘prolife’’ means. Anyone interested in Senator Obama’s record on abortion and related issues should simply read Prof. Robert P. George’s Public Discourse essay from earlier this week, ‘‘Obama’s Abortion Extremism,’’ and his follow-up article, ‘‘Obama and Infanticide.’’ They say everything that needs to be said.
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Archbishop Chaput

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I know pro-abortion Catholics get upset when I quote members of the magisterium. But the truth must be proclaimed
 
Self-employed, so yes, you could say that…
Well, our insurance costs skyrocketed, so they had to remove some benefits to keep the costs from rising. (My employer pays 100% of my premium, it’s a benefit they feel strongly about).

I’m sure we’re not the only ones. (See Luigi’s post).

There are also some things in the law that are not relevant to healthcare, but place a burden on the employer. I have to give each employee a W-2 when they leave our employ. I don’t know how I’m going to do that, since the 2012 W-2’s aren’t out yet.

Sam, what are some of the other non-health issue related requirements?
 
Yes.

Being banned has nothing to do with Catholic doctrine. It has to do with levels of charity. I earned my suspensions, so I harbor no ill will toward those who reported me or the moderators. I also don’t think my detractors are trying to get me banned.

Anyway, we are off-topic and discussing moderator actions…both contrary to forum rules. Are you trying to get me suspended!!! 😉 😃
No, I’m not and yes, banning does have to do with Catholic doctrine. That was the context of the original post in response to Estebob, which you have dragged politics into. As I’ve said before on this forum, the tag teaming here is really admirable.
 
No, I’m not and yes, banning does have to do with Catholic doctrine. That was the context of the original post in response to Estebob, which you have dragged politics into. As I’ve said before on this forum, the tag teaming here is really admirable.
What tag teaming? 😛

“Paranoia will destroy ya.” 😃

As far as “dragging politics into” the conversation. Yes, I can see where that would be really odd in a thread titled “Three Positive Signs for Obama’s Re-Election Chances.” 😛

I’m pretty certain people don’t get banned over Catholic doctrine. Otherwise, there are an awful lot of non-Catholics who would have been banned long ago. You may have noticed that there are many who disagree vehemently with the Church regarding “gay marriage,” abortion, papal/magesterial authority, the Trinity, etc.

CAF is fine with posters who disagree with Catholic doctrine, as long as they post charitably and are respectful. You won’t get banned from CAF for being a Democrat.
 
Well, our insurance costs skyrocketed, so they had to remove some benefits to keep the costs from rising. (My employer pays 100% of my premium, it’s a benefit they feel strongly about).

I’m sure we’re not the only ones. (See Luigi’s post).

There are also some things in the law that are not relevant to healthcare, but place a burden on the employer. I have to give each employee a W-2 when they leave our employ. I don’t know how I’m going to do that, since the 2012 W-2’s aren’t out yet.

Sam, what are some of the other non-health issue related requirements?
Have they tried re-examining the plans available from your carrier? Of course it is one thing to re-examine one’s own coverage and another to do that with employees…I’m quite happy with 2 free preventive visits/year, discounts on all services (not as deep as more comprehensive plans, but doable), manageable copays, no deductibles and incentives for using retail clinics (which I think are just fine for minor, one-off problems). All for just under $200/month. It’s really re-pricing packaged to look pretty, but who cares, if it allows you to see a doc and still eat?
 
What tag teaming? 😛

“Paranoia will destroy ya.” 😃
Actually I think what we’re seeing is the usual Catholic Democrat strategy of changing the subject when confronted with the intrinsic evil the Democrat party supports.
 
Actually I think what we’re seeing is the usual Catholic Democrat strategy of changing the subject when confronted with the intrinsic evil the Democrat party supports.
Far away enough from my direct response to your direct question, to pick up the topic again as though it was never addressed? …Great strategy, great team - have to hand it to ya.🙂
 
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