Three Positive Signs for Obama's Re-Election Chances

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qui_est_ce said:
I disagree with you here. Ron Paul’s biggest supporters are the under 30 crowd, including those who voted for Obama in 2008. Obama will lose if Ron Paul runs 3rd party.
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Most older Republicans (older is the core Republican block) wouldn’t vote for Paul, but Romney, hence the split ticket ensuring Obama wins.

It will be like Nader crippling Gore in 2000.
 
ConcernedApathy said:
Yes, less rules, less oversight, let them run absolutely rampant! That’ll fix things. :rolleyes:

Deregulation, the transfer of power from the trodden to the treading.
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Deregulation, the transfer to expertise and efficiency from the befuddled to the incentivized.
 
ringil said:
Party of death. . . . . Oh come on. . . .
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To tell the truth, I paid no attention, but I must say that the news does not much surprise me.

At this point, the Democratic Party risks transforming itself definitively into a “party of death” due to its choices on bioethical issues, as Ramesh Ponnuru wrote in his book “The Party of Death: The Democrats, the Media, the Courts and the Disregard for Human Life.”

And I say this with a heavy heart, because we all know that the Democrats were the party that helped our Catholic immigrant parents and grandparents to better integrate into and prosper in American society. But it’s not the same anymore.
Nonetheless, there are among Democrats some pro-lifers, but they are, unfortunately, rare.

Cardinal Raymond Burke
 
estesbob said:
To tell the truth, I paid no attention, but I must say that the news does not much surprise me.

And I say this with a heavy heart, because we all know that the* Democrats were the party that helped our Catholic immigrant parents and grandparents to better integrate into and prosper in American society***. But it’s not the same anymore.
Nonetheless, there are among Democrats some pro-lifers, but they are, unfortunately, rare.

Cardinal Raymond Burke
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With all due respect to Cardinal Burke: bull. My grandparents were Republicans. Yeah, the were in the minority. The government helped their community very little…they helped each other.
 
Luigi_Daniele said:
With all due respect to Cardinal Burke: bull. My grandparents were Republicans. Yeah, the were in the minority. The government helped their community very little…they helped each other.
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The government that helps least helps best. Communities are stronger when the members of that community support each other, rather than look to some bureaucrat for the answers to their problems.
 
estesbob said:
To tell the truth, I paid no attention, but I must say that the news does not much surprise me.

At this point, the Democratic Party risks transforming itself definitively into a “party of death” due to its choices on bioethical issues, as Ramesh Ponnuru wrote in his book “The Party of Death: The Democrats, the Media, the Courts and the Disregard for Human Life.”

And I say this with a heavy heart, because we all know that the Democrats were the party that helped our Catholic immigrant parents and grandparents to better integrate into and prosper in American society. But it’s not the same anymore.
Nonetheless, there are among Democrats some pro-lifers, but they are, unfortunately, rare.

Cardinal Raymond Burke
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I knew the quote came from Burke. Burke and Chaput. Burke and Chaput. Burke and Chaput. . . . . .
 
rlg94086 said:
In other words, you choose to support the party who is very clear about their support of a person’s right to kill an innocent human being. How nice. :rolleyes:

Obviously, you have no needof for a proportionate reason or to use the charade of not intentionally voting in favor of abortion. You might as well proudly state your approval of killing innocents.
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I have already stated - and repeated that at least once today - that my support of the Democrats is not because of their stance on abortion. On the rest, I see no need to repeat myself. Enjoy your illusions of superiority…
 
ringil said:
I knew the quote came from Burke. Burke and Chaput. Burke and Chaput. Burke and Chaput. . . . . .
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Perhaps you could post something, anything from any Church leader to back up your opinions on Church teaching
 
seekerz said:
I have already stated - and repeated that at least once today - that my support of the Democrats is not because of their stance on abortion. On the rest, I see no need to repeat myself. Enjoy your illusions of superiority…
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So your support of intrinsic evil doesn’t count because you really, really, really don’t support intrinsic Evil.
 
estesbob said:
So your support of intrinsic evil doesn’t count because you really, really, really don’t support intrinsic Evil.
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You must have learned by now that your attempts to guilt-trip me to get in line with *your * conscience, will never work. I am an informed Catholic, loyal to the Magisterium - that’s all the armor I need.
 
seekerz said:
You must have learned by now that your attempts to guilt-trip me to get in line with *your * conscience, will never work. I am an informed Catholic, loyal to the Magisterium - that’s all the armor I need.
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Then perhaps you can post something from the Magestruim to support your opinions I have- repeatedly
 
stevegravy said:
Health care=Medical care

There are no medical care issues now or before HHS started writing all their stupid rules for the glorious introduction of Obamacare. I know as a fact because my kid is in PICU now, The Pediatric Intensive Care Unit it treating indigent kids and rich people kids. The parents up here all have the same haggard exhausted fearful look on their face. Yet, no accountant is up there asking how the next IV bag is going to be paid for. The issues Pelosi, Reed, and Obama were supposed to be addressing were cost and insurance affordability none of which they really addressed. If they did, there wouldn’t be thousands of waivers. And you want to know how we know it is a lousy piece of s_ _ _ legislation? No politician is subject to it. All the union big wigs got waivers. Enjoy the bureaucratic controls that are coming. That is what this POS bill is about. Bureaucratic control and government power.
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Access to emergency care = absence of a health care issue? I would laugh out loud at this logic except that health and life/death issues are not laughing matters, so I’ll pull my hair out instead!

Are you aware that people can die of lack of health care without ever developing a life-threatening emergency until they are in extremis? So if cancer patients can’t get chemo and they waste away in misery for a few months or a year, you would consider that placing them in ICU when they can no longer maintain basic bodily functions = no health care issue?!

Of course, if some mythical death panel with no fear of God proceeds to pull the plug on such a patient then, we’d have a health care issue…I get it. The more familiar I become with this ideological goobledegook, the more I remember why I cannot in good conscience identify with it…
 
estesbob said:
Then perhaps you can post something from the Magestruim to support your opinions I have- repeatedly
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You’re the one who has problems with my opinion, so you quote the Magesterium to show me where I’m in error. Otherwise, readers can rest assured that the mods would be after any of my opinions which were in opposition to Church teaching.

I suspect the ‘report post’ button gets clicked quite frequently…with no effect that has satisfied my detractors yet, obviously - as I have not yet been banned.
 
seekerz said:
You’re the one who has problems with my opinion, so you quote the Magesterium to show me where I’m in error. Otherwise, readers can rest assured that the mods would be after any of my opinions which were in opposition to Church teaching.

I suspect the ‘report post’ button gets clicked quite frequently…with no effect that has satisfied my detractors yet, obviously - as I have not yet been banned.
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priestsforlife.org/magisterium/bishops/tobin-voting.htm
The Bishops go on to list “seven key themes” that serve as the framework of our political participation: The Right to Life; Family and Community; Rights and Responsibilities; Option for the Poor; the Dignity of Work and Workers; Solidarity with our Neighbors; and Caring for God’s Creation.
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In their document the Bishops reject two very common approaches to the question of voting in good faith: moral equivalency (the belief that all moral issues carry the same weight) and single issue voting (the tendency to focus only on abortion). In other words, while there are many questions we should evaluate in deciding how to vote, the primary moral issue we face today is the right to life and particularly the need to fight against the terrible sin of abortion.
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To underline their particular concern about abortion, the Bishops have forcefully stated that, “abortion, the deliberate killing of a human being before birth, is never morally acceptable and must always be opposed.” And as I’ve written previously in this space, while there are many issues the Catholic must consider in forming moral judgments, “Abortion is different. It is always intrinsically evil. There are no circumstances that justify abortion. Its victims are innocent and defenseless, and number in the millions. Abortion is the fallacious foundation upon which the culture of death builds its ugly edifice.” (October 27, 2005)
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qui_est_ce said:
My daughter is an economics major. She has really, much to her dismay, had to face the facts that big government is a drain on the economy. She won’t be voting for Obama again this time around.
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I went to college too. What I learned is that the government does things that are needed but that cannot be done adequately or consistently by individuals, cities or states: national defense, natural disasters, international relations, national infrastructure, etc. It costs money, but it provides valuable services. A large country without an strong and effective central government is a failed state. Your daughter might want to take a few political science and history courses to go with her economics courses.
 
Alan55 said:
I went to college too. What I learned is that the government does things that are needed but that cannot be done adequately or consistently by individuals, cities or states: national defense, natural disasters, international relations, national infrastructure, etc. It costs money, but it provides valuable services. A large country without an strong and effective central government is a failed state. Your daughter might want to take a few political science and history courses to go with her economics courses.
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1.All of which could be taken care of with 60% of the budget.
  1. No one is advocating for a return to the Articles of Confederation 😛
  2. This country will not survive another 4 years of Obama (or a fully implemented Obamacare–see Europe’s fun problems)
 
Alan55 said:
I went to college too. What I learned is that the government does things that are needed but that cannot be done adequately or consistently by individuals, cities or states: **national defense, natural disasters, international relations, national infrastructure, **etc. It costs money, but it provides valuable services. A large country without an strong and effective central government is a failed state. Your daughter might want to take a few political science and history courses to go with her economics courses.
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If our federal government stuck to those items, we would be fine. It’s your etcetera that causes the bloating. I’m assuming you are open to compromise by moving all the rest to state and local governments, right?
 
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