Three Positive Signs for Obama's Re-Election Chances

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estesbob said:
Let me make sure I understand this. It is okay for Catholic support pro-abortion candidates because the Republican party wants to annihilate all life on earth.?
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Of course. Everyone knows how evil the Republican Party is. :rolleyes:😃
 
Scalia said:
BHO supports abortion

BHO supports infanticide (infant born alive act).

BHO supports “gay” rights

BHO’s Justice Department just tried to take away the ministerial exception

BHO’s Justice Department sells guns to Mexican drug lords

BHO sends his kids to a $30,000 year school but is against school choice.

BHO’s healthcare plan is on a crash course with Catholic institutions and the providing of “reproductive health” services.

BHO has started two wars of his own
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Which is why BHO is the worst president America has ever had imho.
 
CMatt25 said:
Only if you dismiss the words some quoted from a document put out by an entire conference of bishops which guide and teach Catholics that the bishops are not giving direction on how to vote.
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You talking about “faithful citizenship” the guide that says specficly that support of abortion disqualifies a canidate from Catholic support?
 
CMatt25 said:
Ishii, I don’t why you say this. There are mainline Christian denominations that do not share the Catholic view on abortion.
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And pretty much all that is required to believe in those denominations is the Trinity. And with the future generation of mainline Protestant adults is not looking promising. I don’t know a dedicated Christian who is ok with abortion. My 2 cents.
 
estesbob said:
Nobody ever said a Catholic could only vote for the GOP canidate. What was said (and backed up with extensive documentation) is that a Catholic can not vote for a canidate who supports abortion. It is unfortunate that this eliminates most democrats from Catholic consideration but that is the fault of the Democrat party, not the Church
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So in other words even if it were true Catholics can not vote for Obama’s reelection, which is what many say here, the Church doesn’t come out and speak that “truth” in those clear words just to avoid paying taxes?

Even the private internet forum business known as “Catholic Answers” supposedly does not endorse or oppose any candidate or party.

forums.catholic-questions.org/showpost.php?p=7224667&postcount=6
 
CMatt25 said:
So in other words even if it were true Catholics can not vote for Obama’s reelection, which is what many say here, the Church doesn’t come out and speak that “truth” in those clear words just to avoid paying taxes?

Even the private internet forum business known as “Catholic Answers” supposedly does not endorse or oppose any candidate or party.

forums.catholic-questions.org/showpost.php?p=7224667&postcount=6
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The Church doesn’t endorse individual candidates, and I don’t think that would change if taxes were not an issue. You asked what would happen if the Church *did *endorse specific candidates, and I answered you. That is a reflection on what the government’s actions would be - not the Church’s motives.

The Church does give you free will, so you can choose to ignore her guidance and vote contrary to Church teaching. To specify a candidate would take away your free will to sin.
 
rlg94086 said:
Are we really going to argue the semantics of “direction?” She gives direction, as in guidance. She doesn’t give you direction, as in which way to vote. Don’t be obtuse.
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I think it might be a good time to repost one of estesbob’s earlier ones from this thread:
estesbob said:
The culture of death is so ingrained in the left that even Catholic Democrats consider abortion to be nothing more than one of a variety of social issues that must be weighed when considering a candidate. . Of course there is no basis for this in Catholic teaching and they bristle when you ask them if this attitude applies to other intrinsic evils. . Archbishop Chaput describes such** moral gymnastics as being worthy of an Olympic gold medal**
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CMatt25 said:
On the logical grounds that I never expect to see illogical comparisons become legal in the future nor to have the support to make them legal. But if you want to think they might, you’re free to believe so.
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Cmatt, I appreciate the fact that you’re all alone representing your point of view on this currently. But I would like to explore this further:

You didn’t address my question about pedophilia because you don’t think there will be support in the future to make it legal. Now, go back a hundred years. If you had said to people, there will be widespread acceptance of homosexuals, there will be states that legalizse homosexual marriage, there will be reality shows about wife swapping, women will be able to legally go to a doctor to kill her unborn baby - people would have said “no way”. All of those things were unheard of a hundred years ago. Now they have come to fruition.

So, I am asking you to imagine a society so depraved that pedophilia has become legalized. If that were so, would you support the pedophilia candidate and party that you agreed with on all the other issues, like “giving healthcare to the poor” ? To simply answer, " I can’t imagine that happening so I won’t answer your hypothetical" is to dodge the question. I would like you to answer please.

Ishii
 
CMatt25 said:
Yes he did and hate is a strong word to use just because someone might disagree with many of their political policies.
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It is not estesbob political policy or mine or anybody else on this forum, it is the Catholic teaching that directs us how to vote.

It is very simple, we see on the Magisterial teaching on the value of human life, how life starts at conception, we see statements by the Pope, Bishops, Priests, and we simply recognize that these views are not compatible with Obama, and thus we do not support him or other political candidate who share the same views. Embryonic stem cell issue is another issue where the Catholic Church and Obama depart. Obama refuses to defend marriage between a man and a woman, Catholic Church and Obama depart.
 
ishii said:
Cmatt, I appreciate the fact that you’re all alone representing your point of view on this currently. But I would like to explore this further:

You didn’t address my question about pedophilia because you don’t think there will be support in the future to make it legal. Now, go back a hundred years. If you had said to people, there will be widespread acceptance of homosexuals, there will be states that legalizse homosexual marriage, there will be reality shows about wife swapping, women will be able to legally go to a doctor to kill her unborn baby - people would have said “no way”. All of those things were unheard of a hundred years ago. Now they have come to fruition.

So, I am asking you to imagine a society so depraved that pedophilia has become legalized. If that were so, would you support the pedophilia candidate and party that you agreed with on all the other issues, like “giving healthcare to the poor” ? To simply answer, " I can’t imagine that happening so I won’t answer your hypothetical" is to dodge the question. I would like you to answer please.

Ishii
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Yes, Ishii, I think some of the Catholics left the thread once they explained to others that their Church does not tell them they can not vote for Obama’s reelection.

Another one or two might have left after their logic determined that strawman comparisons were being used.

And 100 yrs ago no one thought there would ever be something such as a private internet forum business calling itself “Catholic Answers”.

Which also has nothing to do with pedophilia ever becoming legal.

So now with the “reality” TV show “Wife Swap” being brought forth by you as an “argument”, I too shall exercise my logic and leave the thread as well.

Peace.
 
😃

Just wanted to point that out. . . . . . .

(Running back behind cover. . . .INCOMING!!!)
 
ringil said:
Actually it says it “may”.
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And as is further explained the only exception being if their opponent is more pro-abortion than they are. As Archbishop Chaput explains this in not voting for the lesser of to evils, it is voting to lessen evil
 
How could anyone think killing a child in the womb is okay. None of them can even give a definitive answer as to WHEN they became a “valid” life.

Jeremiah 1:5 Before I formed thee in the belly I knew thee; and before thou camest forth out of the womb I sanctified thee, [and] I ordained thee a prophet unto the nations.

There have been many children born that needed some form of assisted living…even for many years after birth…are they then NOT a valid life, because they are incapable of living otherwise? Then, what about a child who is born prematurely…say…only 19 weeks gestation…is that life not valid? Children have been born that early and survived. Just because you take a living being out of the “home” that is sheltering them, does not make them any less than the living being they are…and does NOT justify murdering them.

Anyone who supports abortion or chooses to have a leader who is pro-abortion is becoming an accomplice to murder.

And YES…he supports homosexuality too…if no one else happened to have answered that one already. If you haven’t heard…he DID have homosexual relations himself, and was proud of it…after all…it was part of growing up…right? Disgusting!! :eek:

Obama is ANTI Christ! :bigyikes:

Take a look at this movie about abortion, please…you can find it at: 180movie.com
It is only 30 minutes long and is a REAL eye opener. Awesome!!
 
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