Time for Parents to Resist Transgender Activism

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I don’t know the relevance of your last sentence. The human condition is full of persons with all manner of disabilities, afflictions and inclinations to evil.

And why on earth would you imagine God would condemn anyone for loving others? What one does in the name of love cannot be equated with “love” itself. The sexual acts of two men in a bed together have to be evaluated as such, and that they love each other does not determine that those acts are good. I think it unlikely that God wills man to exchange his gametes with another man. As an act, that seems to me to be a mistake.
I’m referring to the belief that homosexual sex will condemn one to hell if they don’t “repent”. I do not believe that. Besides the fact that homosexuality is observable in nature and not unique to human sexuality, that leads me to believe there is something more to homosexuality than it simply being a cross to bear or some sort of test. People are who they are. And these people are, by no fault of their own, homosexual. The same goes for transgendered people.

A gay couple getting married does not effect you or I. A trans person choosing to transition does not effect you or I. If someone is bothered by those things, that’s their problem. Until I’ve seen someone victimized as a result of expanding equality and tolerance, I’m going to continue fighting for them 🤷
 
…People are who they are. And these people are, by no fault of their own, homosexual.
You seem to be saying that if two men desire sexual acts together, then such must be good and proper. I suppose that is a moral framework. Though you do seem to readily overlook the bodily incongruity of it. [Do you not suspect that something is amiss in a desire for two men to interact sexually?]
I’m going to continue fighting for them.
Catholics are exhorted to do the same - eg. to eliminate unjust discrimination directed at those experiencing same sex attraction. But as our moral frameworks plainly differ, it is unavoidable that we may disagree about what constitutes just/unjust descrimination.
 
I’m not sure how the fact that society as a whole hasn’t figured out how to permanently end war and hatred has anything to do with medical, psychiatric and scientific advances and understanding.

I volunteer at a community center and know many, many transgender people (though it wasn’t until fairly recently that I began to really look into what they go through). You and I both have anecdotal evidence as I don’t know of any study that looks at motivations behind sex change operations.

That said, sex change operations are actually pretty uncommon. For starters, most can’t afford it. Others are perfectly content taking the more common route of hormone therapy.

I’m confused as to what you mean by “marketing plan”. Is this in the same vein as the whole “homosexual agenda” conspiracy? If so, i’d rather not go down that road. It people wanting to live their lives without fear and persecution is an “agenda”, count me in.

The trans issue isn’t widespread. It effects a smaller percentage of people than those who identify as gay and lesbian. From the many people I’ve met who identify as trans, none are trying to cram any kind of agenda down anyone’s throat. They simply wanted the comfort of being protected from ignorance-fueled discrimination and violence (something they experience substantially more of than many other minority groups).

For example, the whole fuss over bathroom use. They’re not angrily demanding they be allowed to use the restroom they want. It’s not that black and white. Many of them have already been using the restroom of the gender they consider themselves as without issue. But the right wing has turned this issue into “pedophiles wanting to follow children into restrooms”, a ridiculous claim.

I have yet to hear of any public school or entity encouraging kids to “become trans”. Too many parents fear that this is happening (it isn’t), and that their children will be taught that a girl being a tomboy is actually trans, or an introverted and not-so-masculine boy is trans. People who believe that are demonstrating their complete lack of understanding of what a trans person actually is, and therefore are in no position to add anything of substance to the discussion.
Those who are not mentally or emotionally mature enough to understand trans individuals are kids, and they are getting it crammed down their throats. And it causes confusion. A girl who thinks she’s a boy becomes a Cub Scout?

Take the Boy Scouts and Cub Scouts.

nbcnews.com/feature/nbc-out/boy-scouts-cub-scouts-begin-accepting-transgender-children-n714471

First, gay scout leaders, now this. Clear evidence of a direction/goal. Go to any LGBT news site to see the facts.

lifesitenews.com/news/uk-children-starting-at-age-7-will-study-reading-writing-gender-transitioni

Ed
 
Only .0000034234% of the human population is legitimately transgendered. By that, I mean that they are genuinely born with deformed genitals and either too much or not enough of a specific hormone. Those are true genuine cases.
 
Only .0000034234% of the human population is legitimately transgendered. By that, I mean that they are genuinely born with deformed genitals and either too much or not enough of a specific hormone. Those are true genuine cases.
Perhaps “legitimately” is not the right word.
 
I’m planning on becoming a school social worker and currently we’re reading the DSM-5 (so dry and boring … the manual is not even widely respected in the world of psychiatry let alone psychology). I’ve noticed the change in labeling the disorder into a more “non-stigmatized” label. It’s now called gender dysphoria; in the past it was called gender identity disorder (GID). Authors of my assessment text have implied that the change of language is about lessening stigma of certain disorders, mostly in order to get society to not think of people with X disorder as not fully human than anything political.

Given the current social momentum of “gay is okay” to various news articles defending the integration of transgenders in Boy Scouts of America (NYT saying it is rational to recognize transgender boys for what they truly are: boys) and the reaction to NC & Indiana bathroom bill it’s only a matter of time, say under a decade, that transgenderism will be deemed fully normal. Not because of any rigorous debate, but because of indoctrination (high schools inviting speakers to talk about it’s supposed normality) and it’s what modernity seeks to accomplish.

It’s all about infiltrating. It’s all about setting and establishing the “new norm.”

Also, can we admit that gays are the Golden Retriever of modernism? It’s so tiring to hear "leave the gays alone!’ Is Chris Crocker around?
 
I’m planning on becoming a school social worker and currently we’re reading the DSM-5. I’ve noticed the change in labeling the disorder into a more “non-stigmatized” label. It’s now called gender dysphoria; in the past it was called gender identity disorder (GID). Authors of my assessment text have implied that the change of language is about lessening stigma of certain disorders, mostly in order to get society to not think of people with X disorder as not fully human than anything political.

Given the current social momentum of “gay is okay” to various news articles defending the integration of transgenders in Boy Scouts of America (NYT saying it is rational to recognize transgender boys for what they truly are: boys) and the reaction to NC & Indiana bathroom bill it’s only a matter of time, say under a decade, that transgenderism will be deemed fully normal. Not because of any rigorous debate, but because of indoctrination (high schools inviting speakers to talk about it’s supposed normality) and it’s what modernity seeks to accomplish.

It’s all about infiltrating. It’s all about setting and establishing the “new norm.”
It’s called psychological conditioning. It works on a simple principle: say it’s true over and over again until people accept or stop caring. “Modernity” is international groups of formerly LGBT, now LGBTQI groups getting powerful individuals to believe them. By reprogramming kids to believe. It’s not complicated.

Like the term “Gender Fluid.” I want a woman one day, a man the next, and a trans person the next?

Find out why the change was made in the DSM-5. It occurred primarily because of years of lobbying by LGBT activists.

I’ve watched the West slowly poisoned by anything but normal sexual activists for decades. Don’t be poisoned.

Ed

In my view, what’s behind this is a statement I read: “I no longer want to feel guilty or ashamed or sinful ever again.” Or I am accountable to no higher power. I create me - no one else.

The Church recognized the root cause and defined it.

"I. THE QUESTION

"2. Recent years have seen new approaches to women’s issues. A first tendency is to emphasize strongly conditions of subordination in order to give rise to antagonism: women, in order to be themselves, must make themselves the adversaries of men. Faced with the abuse of power, the answer for women is to seek power. This process leads to opposition between men and women, in which the identity and role of one are emphasized to the disadvantage of the other, leading to harmful confusion regarding the human person, which has its most immediate and lethal effects in the structure of the family.

"A second tendency emerges in the wake of the first. In order to avoid the domination of one sex or the other, their differences tend to be denied, viewed as mere effects of historical and cultural conditioning. In this perspective, physical difference, termed sex, is minimized, while the purely cultural element, termed gender, is emphasized to the maximum and held to be primary. The obscuring of the difference or duality of the sexes has enormous consequences on a variety of levels. This theory of the human person, intended to promote prospects for equality of women through liberation from biological determinism, has in reality inspired ideologies which, for example, call into question the family, in its natural two-parent structure of mother and father, and make homosexuality and heterosexuality virtually equivalent, in a new model of polymorphous sexuality.

"3. While the immediate roots of this second tendency are found in the context of reflection on women’s roles, its deeper motivation must be sought in the human attempt to be freed from one’s biological conditioning.2 According to this perspective, human nature in itself does not possess characteristics in an absolute manner: all persons can and ought to constitute themselves as they like, since they are free from every predetermination linked to their essential constitution.

"This perspective has many consequences. Above all it strengthens the idea that the liberation of women entails criticism of Sacred Scripture, which would be seen as handing on a patriarchal conception of God nourished by an essentially male-dominated culture. Second, this tendency would consider as lacking in importance and relevance the fact that the Son of God assumed human nature in its male form.

“4. In the face of these currents of thought, the Church, enlightened by faith in Jesus Christ, speaks instead of active collaboration between the sexes precisely in the recognition of the difference between man and woman.”

Full document: vatican.va/roman_curia/congregations/cfaith/documents/rc_con_cfaith_doc_20040731_collaboration_en.html
 
It’s called psychological conditioning. It works on a simple principle: say it’s true over and over again until people accept or stop caring.
The DSM-5: it was the same thing with getting sam-sex attraction out of the manual.

It’s not surprising what Finite said, “it couldn’t possibly be that as our society progresses, we become wiser and gain a better understanding of what it is to be human.” What utter pathetic sophistry.

It’s very easy to go with the flow because “progress.” Don’t like it? Too bad. It’s progress. So-called progress is leaving you behind.

Wiser? Pure arrogance and pure emotion (the bad kind).

Better understanding of what it is to be human? In other words emotions over sound reasoning, debate, sound science. Now this a favorite of modernists to use - “what it is to be human.” This way they avoid any critical thinking of what came before besides emotions of unfairness, lack of empathy and inequality all under another favorite word of theirs: minority. Immigration vetting/ban? That’s mean. They’re humans too. Deportation and borders? Borders are arbitrary and they’re humans too. Transgenders? Totally normal and they’re humans too. Marriage is between one man and one woman? Nonsense. Let the gays get married to each other because they’re humans too.

So what Finite said is classic modernity. He carries on:
Personally, I would rather children be taught about the diversity of our world and the people in it, and that we are all still human. To teach a child to respect others isn’t political or against anyone’s religious teachings. At least, I hope not.
As if those who aren’t in public schools aren’t taught about diversity (whatever that means nowadays). The fact that you think students need to be taught what it is it be human is strange. Teach respect? Via public institution? I was taught about respect by my parents and other family members.

And:
If a parent wants to limit what their child is taught (or rather, delay it, because one way or another your child WILL be exposed to the world), that is their prerogative. I am all for giving parents an opt-out option.
A child developing intellectually, socially, emotionally and physically does remotely rely on whether or not he or she is taught what transgenderism is at whatever arbitrary age. Plus your use of language ("limit’, “delay”) when referring to parents who are skeptical of the LGBT Agenda (and yea, there’s an agenda) is also telling. You talk as if the child will be greatly hindered, like they were literally kept in the basement in their adolescent years or were never exposed to the concept and act of sex which leads to babies. This isn’t the Blue Lagoon.
Otherwise, private schools and home school is an option
Again, this makes little sense. It seems that you believe that if you want kids to be taught about the diversity of the world then go to public schools versus not being taught diversity (which is a vague term in it of itself), or the cosmopolitan public schoolers versus the pious “gee whiz” private pupil.
 
The DSM-5: it was the same thing with getting sam-sex attraction out of the manual.
The last time homosexuality was considered a mental illness was in DSM-II. It hasn’t been in the DSM since 1973 (43 years), at least not for those gay people who are comfortable with their sexualitiy. There have been other changes to the DSM in the last 43 years besides removing homosexuality. Even though the DSM is in a sense the “bible” of psychiatry, it does change.
 
The last time homosexuality was considered a mental illness was in DSM-II. It hasn’t been in the DSM since 1973 (43 years), at least not for those gay people who are comfortable with their sexualitiy. There have been other changes to the DSM in the last 43 years besides removing homosexuality. Even though the DSM is in a sense the “bible” of psychiatry, it does change.
It doesn’t change by itself. In 1973, a change was made based not on research but a vote.

amazon.com/Homosexuality-American-Psychiatry-Politics-Diagnosis/dp/0691028370

Ed
 
It doesn’t change by itself. In 1973, a change was made based not on research but a vote.

amazon.com/Homosexuality-American-Psychiatry-Politics-Diagnosis/dp/0691028370

Ed
Changes are made to the DSM for all sorts of reasons and there are numerous changes in each revision. If you want to learn about the politics involved in each revision of the DSM which involves doctors, patient groups, drug companies, insurance companies, etc., try reading the excellent book by Gary Greenberg,The Book of Woe: The DSM and the Unmaking of Psychiatry (Plume, 2013).

And BTW, there are lots of diagnoses in the DSM that have nothing to do with science. A lot of them are rather subjective. In fact, the scientific cause of most psychiatric conditions is unknown.
 
Changes are made to the DSM for all sorts of reasons and there are numerous changes in each revision. If you want to learn about the politics involved in each revision of the DSM which involves doctors, patient groups, drug companies, insurance companies, etc., try reading the excellent book by Gary Greenberg,The Book of Woe: The DSM and the Unmaking of Psychiatry (Plume, 2013).

And BTW, there are lots of diagnoses in the DSM that have nothing to do with science. A lot of them are rather subjective. In fact, the scientific cause of most psychiatric conditions is unknown.
The DSM tends to devote space to conditions that cause distress to the individual, impede a person living as he would reasonably wish, or involve risks for others. If none of these is evident, what would be the point of including it in a practitioner’s manual - particularly in the absence of a treatment? Homosexuality may for a long time to come remain an unexplained condition, a subject of research (though some even scorn that :rolleyes:) - but what is it imagined that medical practitioners should or could do about it?
 
I work in many different classrooms and I’ve seen this indoctrination, this sexualization of children, first hand.
 
How familiar are you with the history of the last… 100 years?

No reasonable case can be made that we are a more human culture/world than we were before the genocides of the 20th century, one of which is still ongoing.
Just looking at the US, you could make a reasonable case, based on body count alone, that we are the most efficiently barbaric society in recorded history.
Absolutely! And planned parenthood is very efficient at murder.
 
Changes are made to the DSM for all sorts of reasons and there are numerous changes in each revision. If you want to learn about the politics involved in each revision of the DSM which involves doctors, patient groups, drug companies, insurance companies, etc., try reading the excellent book by Gary Greenberg,The Book of Woe: The DSM and the Unmaking of Psychiatry (Plume, 2013).

And BTW, there are lots of diagnoses in the DSM that have nothing to do with science. A lot of them are rather subjective. In fact, the scientific cause of most psychiatric conditions is unknown.
Huh. Then perhaps the cause isn’t “scientific” at all. Good point!
 
Here in California some schools celebrate “Harvey Milk Day” as part of their total indoctrination package that includes “transgender” activities because you know, Harvey wasn’t just a pedophile, he was a martyr!
 
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