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Bahman
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No. That was him who declare that the law of logic does not apply to God.
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Timeless God cannot know the current time hence cannot sustain the creation
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wadramli
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Bahman is it true you’re professor ? tell me quickly so I should address you properly . prof Bahamn from Iran.
Bhaman I think he is talking of the logicing of the logic doesn’t apply that was logicalized was more logical . he is not talking about the logicality of the logicing .it’s about the logicality of the logicar
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Bhaman I think he is talking of the logicing of the logic doesn’t apply that was logicalized was more logical . he is not talking about the logicality of the logicing .it’s about the logicality of the logicar
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wadramli
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Bahman , check your Quran it says in page two that Jesus is a word from god . Muslim scholars always wondered what that meant . they do not know . they’re confused . they think it is word as in speech .
check bookcat post . it’s complex but it should give you an idea and it will solve the op problem you have been having . it’s all in the bible. Read the bible my friend . you will find the answers there .
The Quran says that Jesus is sinless .you know what sin means , right ? in Arabic it is khata – error/blemish/fault in English . Jesus is without error the quran says . now who is without blemish or fault I ask you Oh prof Bahman ? think bahman . show the people what caliber prof you’re from iran.
There’re many things the authors of the Quran altered when they copied stuff from the bible . some twas due to ignorance . but some they changed according to a plan . the plan Bahman was to subvert yoru salvation.
the quran even says that god took the form of a man when it tells the story of jesus … Your imam try to duck that by saying it was not god but Gabriel . but go read it yourself and decide
check bookcat post . it’s complex but it should give you an idea and it will solve the op problem you have been having . it’s all in the bible. Read the bible my friend . you will find the answers there .
The Quran says that Jesus is sinless .you know what sin means , right ? in Arabic it is khata – error/blemish/fault in English . Jesus is without error the quran says . now who is without blemish or fault I ask you Oh prof Bahman ? think bahman . show the people what caliber prof you’re from iran.
There’re many things the authors of the Quran altered when they copied stuff from the bible . some twas due to ignorance . but some they changed according to a plan . the plan Bahman was to subvert yoru salvation.
the quran even says that god took the form of a man when it tells the story of jesus … Your imam try to duck that by saying it was not god but Gabriel . but go read it yourself and decide
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wadramli
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Christine ,
Yes , the Australian aborigines are fascinating . I saw them on TV . we have something that could be similar . the African bush man who lived isolated for centuries .
it makes sense . no one can take your dreams away for one thing . also god spoke to Solomon in the dream . uncreated is also a sound claim. I flew a few times in my dream . I actually sort of flapped my hands like a bird and I flew . certainly very uncreated stuff
can you control your dreams ? can you wish to dream something and then actually dream it ?
You know I noticed that Americans are not really Europeans . they are combination mind set , European, African and red Indian. I expect Australian are something like that . combination Europeans and aborigine mind set . and you know how Americans are like. They got this white and black race issue. it is a national pass time with them . all the time you hear about it . but you so much as touch one of their blacks and their whites will jump you in a flash. And when stuff hits the fan they all fall in line white and black. That’s why I don’t pay that American race issue any mind. There is no method to their madness Shakespeare would say .
how is my friend crocodile Dundee ? what happened to him? I heard he lost a lot of money on some business enterprise. Give him my condolences please. What can you do ? business is unpredictable .times have changed . young kid makes billions from social networking , facebook kid did.
What happened to the bad frogs.? were you able to get rid of them ? frogs down here are different . they are food .
Wish you very happy Easter .
Yes , the Australian aborigines are fascinating . I saw them on TV . we have something that could be similar . the African bush man who lived isolated for centuries .
it makes sense . no one can take your dreams away for one thing . also god spoke to Solomon in the dream . uncreated is also a sound claim. I flew a few times in my dream . I actually sort of flapped my hands like a bird and I flew . certainly very uncreated stuff
can you control your dreams ? can you wish to dream something and then actually dream it ?
You know I noticed that Americans are not really Europeans . they are combination mind set , European, African and red Indian. I expect Australian are something like that . combination Europeans and aborigine mind set . and you know how Americans are like. They got this white and black race issue. it is a national pass time with them . all the time you hear about it . but you so much as touch one of their blacks and their whites will jump you in a flash. And when stuff hits the fan they all fall in line white and black. That’s why I don’t pay that American race issue any mind. There is no method to their madness Shakespeare would say .
how is my friend crocodile Dundee ? what happened to him? I heard he lost a lot of money on some business enterprise. Give him my condolences please. What can you do ? business is unpredictable .times have changed . young kid makes billions from social networking , facebook kid did.
What happened to the bad frogs.? were you able to get rid of them ? frogs down here are different . they are food .
Wish you very happy Easter .
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davidv
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Why is that illogical?No. That was him who declare that the law of logic does not apply to God.
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Bahman
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Can God lift a stone he cannot lift? Sure yeah.Why is that illogical?
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Bookcat
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It is important to note that Logic comes from God. (“logic” actually comes from the word logos).
Jesus indeed is the Logos.
Reason, logic is not contrary to Faith. They go with Faith as two wings.
“The philosophical dimension to be noted in this biblical vision, and its importance from the standpoint of the history of religions, lies in the fact that on the one hand we find ourselves before a strictly metaphysical image of God: God is the absolute and ultimate source of all being; but this universal principle of creation—the Logos, primordial reason—is at the same time a lover with all the passion of a true love.”
~ Pope Benedict XVI Deus Caritas Est
Logos and Love…and yes we can make analogies drawing from likeness of ourselves to God -but God is more “unlike” us than like us. God is God and transcends creation.
"…the Church has always insisted that between God and us, between his eternal Creator Spirit and our created reason there exists a real analogy, in which - as the Fourth Lateran Council in 1215 stated - unlikeness remains infinitely greater than likeness, yet not to the point of abolishing analogy and its language. God does not become more divine when we push him away from us in a sheer, impenetrable voluntarism; rather, the truly divine God is the God who has revealed himself as logos and, as logos, has acted and continues to act lovingly on our behalf. Certainly, love, as Saint Paul says, “transcends” knowledge and is thereby capable of perceiving more than thought alone (cf. Eph 3:19); nonetheless it continues to be love of the God who is Logos. Consequently, Christian worship is, again to quote Paul - “λογικη λατρεία”, worship in harmony with the eternal Word and with our reason (cf. Rom 12:1).[10]
~ Pope Benedict XVI 12 September 2006
We follow Jesus of Nazareth the Logos made flesh - Who was Crucified and on the third day Rose from the dead…He is the meaning (logos again) of our life.
Jesus indeed is the Logos.
Reason, logic is not contrary to Faith. They go with Faith as two wings.
“The philosophical dimension to be noted in this biblical vision, and its importance from the standpoint of the history of religions, lies in the fact that on the one hand we find ourselves before a strictly metaphysical image of God: God is the absolute and ultimate source of all being; but this universal principle of creation—the Logos, primordial reason—is at the same time a lover with all the passion of a true love.”
~ Pope Benedict XVI Deus Caritas Est
Logos and Love…and yes we can make analogies drawing from likeness of ourselves to God -but God is more “unlike” us than like us. God is God and transcends creation.
"…the Church has always insisted that between God and us, between his eternal Creator Spirit and our created reason there exists a real analogy, in which - as the Fourth Lateran Council in 1215 stated - unlikeness remains infinitely greater than likeness, yet not to the point of abolishing analogy and its language. God does not become more divine when we push him away from us in a sheer, impenetrable voluntarism; rather, the truly divine God is the God who has revealed himself as logos and, as logos, has acted and continues to act lovingly on our behalf. Certainly, love, as Saint Paul says, “transcends” knowledge and is thereby capable of perceiving more than thought alone (cf. Eph 3:19); nonetheless it continues to be love of the God who is Logos. Consequently, Christian worship is, again to quote Paul - “λογικη λατρεία”, worship in harmony with the eternal Word and with our reason (cf. Rom 12:1).[10]
~ Pope Benedict XVI 12 September 2006
We follow Jesus of Nazareth the Logos made flesh - Who was Crucified and on the third day Rose from the dead…He is the meaning (logos again) of our life.
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davidv
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That is an example of an illogical question.Can God lift a stone he cannot lift? Sure yeah.
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Bahman
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God is either subjected to logic or can defy it.That is an example of an illogical question.
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davidv
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More illogic. False dichotomy.God is either subjected to logic or can defy it.
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Bahman
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Nah. God is either subject to logic or can defy it. Which one do you pick?More illogic. False dichotomy.
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davidv
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Yah. I pick neither.Nah. God is either subject to logic or can defy it. Which one do you pick?
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Bahman
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Could you please tell me the difference between your God and whatever?Yah. I pick neither.
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davidv
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How could anyone provide a reasoned answer to such and poorly formed question?Could you please tell me the difference between your God and whatever?
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What is a “whatever”?
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Bahman
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That was a correct question regarding your answer “neither”.How could anyone provide a reasoned answer to such and poorly formed question?
Whatever is irrelevant thing you have no idea or concern about it.{edit}
What is a “whatever”?
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wadramli
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Don’t say God is either subject to logic or can defy it. Say god is either subject to logic or is not subject to logic . because to defy logic means he is subject to it .
Frankly Bahman I’m having a difficult time believing you’re a professor .you can’t even get your opposites right .
Next time I want to get paid with pistachios for helping you out .
Yes god can lift a stone he can’t lift . he can make infinitely bigger stones he can’t lift and lift them and he also can make a stone that he can lift and he can’t lfit all at the same time .
Look bahman this might make things simple enough that even you can understand it . think of a glass . there is air in the glass and air around the glass. . god didn’t empty all himself in the glass . this ris oughly how it works in terms of jesus and the father . jesus air in the glass and god all the air in and out of the glass.
Now I have two questosn for you .
1-The quran says that the sun settles in muddy puddle/swamp at nite. what is your take on that ?
2-Is this a question?
Frankly Bahman I’m having a difficult time believing you’re a professor .you can’t even get your opposites right .
Next time I want to get paid with pistachios for helping you out .
Yes god can lift a stone he can’t lift . he can make infinitely bigger stones he can’t lift and lift them and he also can make a stone that he can lift and he can’t lfit all at the same time .
Look bahman this might make things simple enough that even you can understand it . think of a glass . there is air in the glass and air around the glass. . god didn’t empty all himself in the glass . this ris oughly how it works in terms of jesus and the father . jesus air in the glass and god all the air in and out of the glass.
Now I have two questosn for you .
1-The quran says that the sun settles in muddy puddle/swamp at nite. what is your take on that ?
2-Is this a question?
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Mount_Carmel
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Indeed, God not only ‘creates’, but He also sustains - often by means of ‘laws’.Unless He Created and controls time.
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