Tired of struggling with my 18 year old

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Don’t let him go into the army or marines. Super high suicide rates, plus it will only make him angrier and mentally unstable down the road. The military is the worst thing he could do if he already has anger problems.
I agree that the military is not some sort of cure all for discipline problems but I take umbridge with the suggestions you made about the service. Who upholds the constitution and keeps you free - having a logical adult discussion with either a foreign power or terrorist group is not going to stop them from perpetrating violence against your country or your person.

I served in the US military for nearly 10 years in a combat role (fighting for a country not my own I might add) and I do not suffer from serious mental illness because of my time in the service. I find such comments very demeaning to those who, of thier own free will, choose to protect the rights and freedoms of others - if nessecary with thier lives - even those who disrespect them.
 
Are you sure? He is 18, so it’s not like they have to keep supporting him.
He is currently a legal resident of the property, i.e., a tenant. Every state has laws that govern the transition from legal tenant → illegal tenant → evicted tenant. Without a written rental/lease agreement, in Missouri, the landlord must give 30 days notice to vacate the premises.

If the proper process isn’t followed, he could take his parents to court for violating his rights as a tenant, and win monetary damages. Probably not the best, or intended, outcome.
 
He is currently a legal resident of the property, i.e., a tenant. Every state has laws that govern the transition from legal tenant → illegal tenant → evicted tenant. Without a written rental/lease agreement, in Missouri, the landlord must give 30 days notice to vacate the premises.

If the proper process isn’t followed, he could take his parents to court for violating his rights as a tenant, and win monetary damages. Probably not the best, or intended, outcome.
Well, I wonder about his being a legal tenant instead of a dependent. The reason I brought it up has something to do with whether he has reached the age of emancipation. I once heard about a family situation similar to the one described here. The father took his teen-age son to court and told the judge that he couldn’t control his son and asked that he be made a ward of the court, which meant his son would have to live in some sort of court run quarters and be under the control of the [loving, ha-ha-ha] court. To make a long story short, it scared the kid straight. This was a long time ago, before a child was considered the property of his mother, and fathers had a lot more authority [the mother in this case was not even in court]. So now, it might not work, and the father gets to pay while the mother and son play. 😦
 
I appreciate all the replies, I do agree that my wife and I need to sit down and have a serious talk and agree on something. Now dont get me wrong about my son, he is a good kid and has worked while going to school and never had any problem. But after he finished school he has done a complete turn around and just became LAZY. I do not fund lazy people so I guess he has been mooching off his friends. Military is not really an option as I have spoke with him about it and he did not show any interest as of now. The first step is talking with my wife and getting an agreement made.
This is a tough thing for me to tell you, but something in your post made me sit up and think…I’ve seen this before.

You said that your son was a good kid, worked while going to school, and never had any problem. “But after he finished school, he has done a complete turn around and just become LAZY”.

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As hard as it is, you must rule out the possibility of schizophrenia or another mental illness.

Often mental illness will begin to manifest itself when the child becomes a young adult.

Is there any history of mental illness in your family or your wife’s family? Not that it matters–schizophenia can strike people with no history.

This is exactly what happened to one of my best friends. She was a normal teenager with good grades and a good work ethic. She actually made it through two years of college and earned her Associate’s Degree and had decent grades and a pleasant although quiet social life.

Then she went to the 4-year university to finish her degree, and everything started to unravel for her.

All of the symptoms you describe started happening.

She lost the ability to study effectively. She talked incessantly and rambled from subject to subject, and much of it was about her anger over her lot in life. She became a chain smoker. She ended up dropping out of college and moving back home, but she couldn’t hold down any job.

Eventually her parents kicked her out–they had to, because all she did was smoke, drink soda after soda, and talk bizarrely.

She ended up on the streets, of course.

But finally, her parents realized that there was more going on than just a rebellious, lazy daughter–they had her evaluated, and she was diagnosed schizophrenic.

She then became eligible for the city’s programs for the mentally-ill, and that was her salvation. She lived in group homes and learned various life skills (e.g., taking a shower on a regular basis, how to cook a simple meal, etc.). Eventually she graduated to an apartment in one of the complexes for the mentally-disabled. All of these housing options were “sheltered,” meaing that there are trained staff on duty 24/7 to help the clients.

I have visited her once a week for decades now, and we are great friends. In spite of her illness, she is an intelligent, compassionate woman, and I enjoy spending time with her. (We go out to eat–a treat for her.)

Her parents died years ago, but provided her with a trust that should keep her cared for for the the rest of her life. God rest their souls.

I sincerely hope that this isn’t the situation with your son. But I suggest that you consider the possibility and rule it out. If there is a mental illness, the sooner he gets into treatment, the better for him and everyone else.
 
He is currently a legal resident of the property, i.e., a tenant. Every state has laws that govern the transition from legal tenant → illegal tenant → evicted tenant. Without a written rental/lease agreement, in Missouri, the landlord must give 30 days notice to vacate the premises.

If the proper process isn’t followed, he could take his parents to court for violating his rights as a tenant, and win monetary damages. Probably not the best, or intended, outcome.
I worked in real estate in Missouri and you are correct. You cannot just throw a legal resident of your home out, even if it is a deadbeat adult child.
 
I worked in real estate in Missouri and you are correct. You cannot just throw a legal resident of your home out, even if it is a deadbeat adult child.
He is still a dependent if he is on his parents’ tax return, not a tenant. He’s not paying rent, his parents are still paying his tab.

Anyway I think we are getting onto side tangents, as threads here commonly do.
 
I appreciate all the replies, I do agree that my wife and I need to sit down and have a serious talk and agree on something. Now dont get me wrong about my son, he is a good kid and has worked while going to school and never had any problem. But after he finished school he has done a complete turn around and just became LAZY. I do not fund lazy people so I guess he has been mooching off his friends. Military is not really an option as I have spoke with him about it and he did not show any interest as of now. The first step is talking with my wife and getting an agreement made.
I really like EasterJoy’s advice about finding out what your son’s plans are for “real life”. That may tell you a lot about how to motivate him to make those plans a reality.

If he did well in high school, why isn’t he planning to go to college? Community college is an excellent choice to save money while completing the basic “gen ed” requirements. Many schools now have guarenteed admissions to state universities also if the student keeps their grades up.

Also what happened to the job he had in high school? Can he go back there? Even if it is scooping ice cream, he’ll at least be making some money while he’s getting his degree.

I will say that my dd had a very LAZY summer between high school graduation and college. She had worked very hard through school - on grades and volunteer work -and we knew she would work hard in college - on grades and a part-time job. So we excused her down time.

Perhaps that’s the angle to take with your son - that you know he worked hard during high school and the summer off was his down time. Now that it is fall (or almost), he needs to start his adult life either in school or working or both.
 
Yes, my son, too, took his summer pretty easy, played a lot of video games, slept late, wrote music, goofed around with friends, didn’t do a whole lot of anything except enjoy himself. Now that he is in college he is :eek: at how much work he’s going to have to do! Ha ha, welcome to LIFE 101 Kiddo!! (If his job hadn’t closed down, he would have worked and saved his money, which he did for half of his junior year and all of his senior year.)

It’s time for the OP’s wife to allow her son to grow up a little and figure out what his future is going to look like.
 
I appreciate all the replies, I do agree that my wife and I need to sit down and have a serious talk and agree on something. Now dont get me wrong about my son, he is a good kid and has worked while going to school and never had any problem. But after he finished school he has done a complete turn around and just became LAZY. I do not fund lazy people so I guess he has been mooching off his friends. Military is not really an option as I have spoke with him about it and he did not show any interest as of now. The first step is talking with my wife and getting an agreement made.
I like the idea of those who said that this summer could be regarded as “down time” after graduation, but now it is time to get going. This is a good time for the parental units to enact some new legislation. This probably what is going to happen to his friends who actually have some future, too. More to the point, though, the younger ones are watching. If they all get a summer off after the graduate, you’ll survive. If they see he got more, you’ll live to regret the precedent. You’d be doing no one any good to raise them to expect that.
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I appreciate all the replies, I do agree that my wife and I need to sit down and have a serious talk and agree on something. Now dont get me wrong about my son, he is a good kid and has worked while going to school and never had any problem. But after he finished school he has done a complete turn around and just became LAZY…
Okay, I’m going to go “off the reservation” here and suggest to you that a non-lazy person does not just suddenly become that. I am thinking he is scared. And possibly depressed. Maybe probably. Graduating is like this lifelong goal and then you do and… and then… the whole rest of your life suddenly looms like a big empty road into the wilderness and is pretty daunting. And he probably doesn’t feel like he can talk about it.

How about another tack? How about you and your wife talking to him about being part of the family and responsibilities around the house? He must now pull his weight. He has to help, do chores, work for you, be productive, take some burden off his mom and you in exchange for room and board. Maybe all the forcing him is not helping but making it all worse.

If he has never been taught lifeskills, now is the time. Give him a budget and put him in charge of buying all the food for a month and planning meals. He needs to learn to cook if he is going to live on his own. Teach him to be a responsible grown-up part of a family unit. After he learns to plan menus and buy and prepare food, show him your income and bills and have him do the budgeting for a few months. At some point, have him make a fantasy budget for himself. Go look at apartments you don’t intend to rent, but to have him see what is out there at what cost.

He can’t just leave if he has always been a kid dependent on parents. You don’t learn to be an adult unless you are taught that purposefully.

Or I’m full of it, but if this is a radical change in him, you gotta look at drugs or emotional - mental health type issues.
 
Okay, I’m going to go “off the reservation” here and suggest to you that a non-lazy person does not just suddenly become that. I am thinking he is scared. And possibly depressed. Maybe probably. Graduating is like this lifelong goal and then you do and… and then… the whole rest of your life suddenly looms like a big empty road into the wilderness and is pretty daunting…
Well, most jobs you can get at his educational level are also not school. I know many people who said their experience at non-skilled work while in high school and college was what always kept them going when college got to be discouraging or they were tempted not to persevere. A person can be very industious at academic work, especially if it is challenging or interesting, and really have a hard time showing the same industriousness at manual or menial work.

But yes…I’ve heard of the problem you describe from many people who did very well in school. After being told by their guidance counsellor and just about everyone else “you can do anything”, they found themselves after graduation just frozen up. They didn’t feel as if the world is their oyster. They felt as if they have this huge inheritance and they had to figure out how to invest it. They also feel like even slight mediocrity would be failure. After K-12, they suddenly get to choose the course of their life in a meaningful way. That can be paralyzing. It can certainly lead to a huge case of career procrastination.

The problem is that procrastination increases the feeling that one will never live up to all this “potential” one has been told that one has. A summer off is one thing, but eventually one needs to hear the gentle insistance that it is better to do a non-thrilling something until one decides on a passion than to do nothing at all. The person may do it grudgingly, but it feels far better to have a work record, to have achieved something more than living in your parents’ basement.
 
My oldest son who is 18 now is driving me nuts. All he does now is run all night and sleep all day. He will not even try to get a job anymore. He has had 3 tickets and a wreck all in the last 9 months. I gave him one week to find a job or I will have to kick him out of the house and he has done nothing. .
The thing that’s not clear to me is whether there are any jobs out there.

I don’t know what it’s like in your area but where I live there’s nothing out there. I’ve heard as much from parents of recent high school grads in my town.
 
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