TLM At the National Shrine

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First of all, it was a magnificent Mass; secondly those who criticize couldn’t possibly know much about the EF Mass and in particular a Pontifical Solemn High Mass.

I think they are “schills” for the progressives. Let’er rip
 
I could handle it a couple of times a year. But other than that, too much pomp for my tastes.

I lost my focus and got bored by all the pageantry after awhile. That kind of honesty may bother some here, but that is what happened. I got bored by the pageantry.
That ‘pageantry’ is called “worship”. Sorry if it bores you… fortunately it’s not about you.
 
First of all, that Mass was never called a TLM. It was called a Pontifical High Mass. Basically it was a mixed type of Mass. Lots of TLM parts but a few Novus Ordo parts as well.
That’s not what a pontifical High Mass is. A Pontifical High Mass is a Tridentine Mass celebrated by a bishop.
 
By the way is there a link? Maybe youtube?
If you have EWTN, it’ll be broadcast again at midnight Eastern. Not sure what your chances are other than that, though I think there’s been discussion of releasing a DVD.

Edited to add: and even if you don’t have EWTN, you can stream tonight’s rebroadcast live from their website.
 
That ‘pageantry’ is called “worship”. Sorry if it bores you… fortunately it’s not about you.
Now, that’s not entirely fair. Personally, if I was to be given the option of a High Mass in a massive cathedral or a missa cantata in a neighborhood parish with a small church building, I’d choose the missa cantata. The Mass was absolutely beautiful, don’t get me wrong, but there’s something to be said for the “regular” (since Mass itself can’t really be “regular”) Mass in your home church said by the beloved parish priest. Just as more simplicity is not always good, more pageantry is not always good either.

That said, it was a beautiful and special Mass.
 
Well, it was pretty good. However, the entrance of the Mass was extremely shaky. Why were the Knights of Columbus leading the way? That was just wrong.

What was wrong with it? The Knights of Columbus leading the way to the altar? What’s wrong with it is that is isn’t Traditional. It’s not supposed to be that way, it’s not the least bit reverent. They weren’t even going to be celebrating the Mass so what buisness did they have leading the way?
That is the protocol when a K of C honor guard is present for a procession. Always has been. Nothing wrong with that. I am a 4th degree Knight myself.
 
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You are really weird. Your brand new member and I’ve seen your other post. Don’t come here starting trouble. By the way this isn’t MichaelDaniels is it?
Mind telling me how I’m really weird? I’m not starting trouble, if my opinion is that the entrance of the Mass wasn’t good then I’m entitled to it. And no, I’m not.
 
I would like to protest that Spiritus Sanctus doctored post #27 to make it look like I made a statement that I had not. Everyone may clearly see that the statement in question was made in post #17 by another member. I may need to report this to the moderator.
 
The entrance, particularly.
Another poster has already corrected you on that point.
Also a moment where the bishop and another priest were laughing while at the altar.
You’re going to seriously come on here and say that during the entire history of the EF Mass, no bishop every laughed with a priest while at the altar? Sure, it isn’t supposed to happen, but priests are still human. I’d bet you 10,000 dollars that not a month went by in any year of your choosing without that happening somewhere. And how does that somehow damage whether or not it was a beautiful Mass? That’s literally picking nits. Maybe next you’ll criticize the gait of the celebrant when he walked in the procession.
 
I would like to protest that Spiritus Sanctus doctored post #27 to make it look like I made a statement that I had not. Everyone may clearly see that the statement in question was made in post #17 by another member. I may need to report this to the moderator.
He did not intentionally do that. Click on the quote button for post 17 and then hit the preview button. You’ll find that the way block quotes work, the system picked up on remnants of the forum code left in post 17.
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Now, that’s not entirely fair. Personally, if I was to be given the option of a High Mass in a massive cathedral or a missa cantata in a neighborhood parish with a small church building, I’d choose the missa cantata. The Mass was absolutely beautiful, don’t get me wrong, but there’s something to be said for the “regular” (since Mass itself can’t really be “regular”) Mass in your home church said by the beloved parish priest. Just as more simplicity is not always good, more pageantry is not always good either.

That said, it was a beautiful and special Mass.
Point taken… I want to be honest with Marie but not unfair to her.

To me, the pageantry is liturgical spikenard. Let it flow!
 
That ‘pageantry’ is called “worship”. Sorry if it bores you… fortunately it’s not about you.
Im sorry you chose to act so uncharitably to my honesty. Fortunately, the Lord is merciful to both of us. 🙂
 
Point taken… I want to be honest with Marie but not unfair to her.

To me, the pageantry is liturgical spikenard. Let it flow!
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Thankfully the Lord knows us all so well that He is mindful that a “one-size-fits-all” doesnt work for all of humanity.

And so does His bride, the Church.

Im grateful for such an understanding Lord. 🙂
 
Haven’t you heard? Disrespect and irreverence cannot possibly occur at a TLM. You must have been watching a different Mass, sorry.
Of course you can have disrespect and irreverence at a TLM, whoever said the opposite. The point is the structure of the NO leads to such if not strictly protected against. It is also the difference between communal meal and Divine Sacrifice.
 
Ignorance:rolleyes:
What’s the need for that? If you want to get into ignorance let’s chat about the history of the NO and where Bugnini ended up.

Here’s an idea. Just for the sake of unity and charity, how about limiting this thread to those who liked yesterday’s Mass. If you didn’t like it and want to criticize, start a thread in the Liturgy & Sacraments thread and have at 'er.
 
Here’s an idea. Just for the sake of unity and charity, how about limiting this thread to those who liked yesterday’s Mass. If you didn’t like it and want to criticize, start a thread in the Liturgy & Sacraments thread and have at 'er.
I cant speak for others, but I was just answering the OP’s original question of thread which was…

"Did any of you see the Mass today at The National Basilica on EWTN? What did you think? "

My take from that was that they were interested in feedback from those of us who watched it. 🙂

So I gave my feedback. 👍

I wasnt out to stir the pot, get into a debate of one style vs another style, or be uncharitable. I was just being honest in my feedback.
 
Noted. Not entertaining enough for you.
As said before, that’s not fair. It is perfectly reasonable to prefer one form or style of Mass to another. Why do we even have a thread to discuss this particular Mass if the only acceptable response is extravagant praise? Even in 1948, not every Mass was a pontifical high Mass at the Basilica of the National Shrine of the Immaculate Conception (well, technically no Masses were at the Basilica of the National Shrine of the Immaculate Conception, because it was not yet finished). A Missa Cantata or a Low Mass in a crowded chapel or a narrow neighborhood church is no less holy than a pontifical High Mass, and it is perfectly reasonable to prefer the lesser degree of pageantry. Just as less pageantry is not always good, neither is more pageantry. There’s no need for such a condescending tone.

That said, again, I found it to be a beautiful Mass.
 
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