To Be in Heaven, You Must Be Catholic

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GaryTaylor said:
Long as the 8+8=16 equation doesn’t come into play, your good.
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We’ve had a couple similar incidents, though not as obvious as that equation. My daughter has learned that sometimes teachers can be wrong. Now that she’s a bit older, I leave it up to her to decide whether to challenge it or let it go.
 
Jozefo said:
I’m inclined to say I hope she never has you for a patient or customer, but I won’t say that. My daughter has more going on upstairs than most people. She’s very bright. Brilliant even. You should wish my daughter could serve you. You’d eat those words.
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:thumbsup:Beautiful and it all in this understanding. The perfect giver/receiver relationship.
 
PRmerger said:
Egg-zactly! So freedom is freedom to do the right thing. Freedom to follow what’s right. Freedom to follow the rules.

Otherwise, if you really, truly believe that you reserve the right to see things apart from the truth of how they are, then,

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I’ve said it a couple of times now: no one has the right to do wrong. But it’s not wrong to refuse consent. Sometimes it’s exactly the right thing to do.
 
Jozefo said:
I’ve said it a couple of times now: no one has the right to do wrong. But it’s not wrong to refuse consent. Sometimes it’s exactly the right thing to do.
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Music, your making music now. No sour notes there.
 
PRmerger said:
Absolutely not. You sound ridiculous telling people that you’re good with your daughter saying that 8 x 8 can be whatever she wishes it to be.
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Absolutely you would! I think you should re-think this line you’re on right now. My daughter isn’t here, and you’re attacking her, impugning her inteligence, and who knows what else. Plus you’re taking my words out of context, practicing deceit.
 
Jozefo said:
We’ve had a couple similar incidents, though not as obvious as that equation. My daughter has learned that sometimes teachers can be wrong.
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Well, how is it that you allow your daughter to see things any way she wants, but when the teacher does this it’s “wrong”?

If it’s okay for your daughter to say 8 x 8 is 16, then it ought to be ok for the teacher to say the capital of the Philippines is Rome, without your believing the teacher is wrong.

Either your daughter can be wrong when she gives the wrong math answer, or the teacher is allowed to see things differently.
 
Jozefo said:
I’m inclined to say I hope she never has you for a patient or customer, but I won’t say that. My daughter has more going on upstairs than most people. She’s very bright. Brilliant even. You should wish my daughter could serve you. You’d eat those words.
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She wouldn’t make it through medical school if she can’t follow the laws of math.
 
Jozefo said:
Absolutely you would! I think you should re-think this line you’re on right now. My daughter isn’t here, and you’re attacking her, impugning her inteligence, and who knows what else. Plus you’re taking my words out of context, practicing deceit.
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Let’s start over then.

And let’s change it to a son. Let’s make it more hypothetical, assuming you don’t have a son.

If your son came home with an F on his math test, would you make him learn his math facts?

Or would you tell him, “Son, if you want to put down that 8 x 8 is 16, then that is fine. 8 x 8 can be whatever you want it to be, if that’s what you conclude.”
 
PRmerger said:
Let’s start over then.

And let’s change it to a son. Let’s make it more hypothetical, assuming you don’t have a son.

If your son came home with an F on his math test, would you make him learn his math facts?

Or would you tell him, “Son, if you want to put down that 8 x 8 is 16, then that is fine. 8 x 8 can be whatever you want it to be, if that’s what you conclude.”
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Go back to what I said before. You can find it, you’re so smart. This time read for comprehension.
 
Jozefo said:
That’s what you think.
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Fair enough, but should it be John Does daughter, she would have to follow the mathematical logic and reason which proves itself. For example EXR=I proves itself. How does one see another reality to the truth here?

The fact I can designate as a rule interchanged symbols doesn’t change the reality of the mathematical truth which is being transmitted as the truth which in this case the teachers are in agreement on and John Does daughter would not be?
 
GaryTaylor said:
Fair enough, but should it be John Does daughter, she would have to follow the mathematical logic and reason which proves itself. For example EXR=I proves itself. How does one see another reality to the truth here?

The fact I can designate as a rule interchanged symbols doesn’t change the reality of the mathematical truth which is being transmitted as the truth which in this case the teachers are in agreement on and John Does daughter would not be?
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I’m no longer in the mood to discuss with you.
 
GaryTaylor said:
You hurt my feelings. 😉 I’m wounded. :sad_yes:
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Sorry, I just realized you weren’t who I thought you were. My apologies.

The point I was trying to make got lost in personal invective. Of course people need to agree on terms words and phrases. Good communication is essential. Only a fool would teach their children that squares are circles. By the same token, only a fool would teach their children blind obedience.
 
Randy_Carson said:
Provocative title, eh?

I hoped to get your attention, because I’m floating this argument which I put together this morning.
  1. Jesus only has one body.
  2. To be in heaven, one must be a member of the body of Christ
  3. The body of Christ is the Church.
  4. The Church instituted by Christ has a name – the Catholic Church.
    Therefore, to be in heaven, one must be a member of the Catholic Church.
I anticipate some possible objection to 1 and much rejection to 4, but let’s see how it unfolds.

I look forward to reading your thoughts for and against.
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1: Yes
2: Yes
3. Yes
4. Yes. Everyone in Heaven is Catholic for only the Truth can be in Heaven. Yet every Catholic did not enter the Church the same way. Some Catholics in Heaven were a part of the Church officially, while others were part of the Church by desire.

Those who knew the Catholic Church to be the True Church, but rejected it unto death are in Hell.
 
Jozefo said:
Sorry, I just realized you weren’t who I thought you were. My apologies.

The point I was trying to make got lost in personal invective. Of course people need to agree on terms words and phrases. Good communication is essential. Only a fool would teach their children that squares are circles. By the same token, only a fool would teach their children blind obedience.
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Accepted, how does for example following the rule that EXR=I equate to blind obedience? There’s an underlying premise of truth. Now, should we bring this back to the paradigm of scripture isn’t this the same as presented by the Church?
 
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