To combat racism, try reviving the black family

  • Thread starter Thread starter JimG
  • Start date Start date
Status
Not open for further replies.
If the government had taken Moynihan’s report seriously back in the 1960’s, it might have been working on ways to strengthen not only the black family but all families. Instead, federal policies tended to undermine the stability of families.
 
He has a lot of good points but never actually gets to how to revive the Black family and kind of rambles. This is a huge factor that gets mentioned often but very seldom do I see any strategies presented to actually make it happen. We have a family problem in our society in general that is not being fixed, so if someone comes up with that big solution everyone will be better off. We have a dating problem too. I’m an attractive, smart, devout, chaste 40 year old Black woman who will probably never get married. This is an issue. Many of my non-Black sisters have the same problem. I don’t even care anymore because I feel like it’s a futile pursuit. We need to fix these issues for everyone. But how?
 
Last edited:
Esalen makes a connection between a fatherless society and high rates of criminality. Is this what you are asking about?
 
Last edited:
catholiclala said:
He has a lot of good points but never actually gets to how to revive the Black family and kind of rambles.
Click to expand...
And he doesn’t explain the title. How is ensuring stable black families going to counter racism?

‘I’m not going to hire her because she’s black’.
‘But she’s from a stable family’.
'Oh, my bad. Call her back. I’m only racist against black people from unstable families.
 
Annie said:
Esalen makes a connection between a fatherless society and high rates of criminality. Is this what you are asking about?
Click to expand...
That I get. But high rates of criminality has zero connection with racism. Every responsible person is biased against criminals. The ethnicity of the criminal is utterly irrelevant in that context.
 
Freddy said:
40.png
Annie:
Esalen makes a connection between a fatherless society and high rates of criminality. Is this what you are asking about?
Click to expand...
That I get. But high rates of criminality has zero connection with racism. Every responsible person is biased against criminals. The ethnicity of the criminal is utterly irrelevant in that context.
Click to expand...
What!? The ethnicity of the criminal is never irrelevant! Because… intersectionality!
 
Freddy said:
And he doesn’t explain the title. How is ensuring stable black families going to counter racism?

‘I’m not going to hire her because she’s black’.
‘But she’s from a stable family’.
'Oh, my bad. Call her back. I’m only racist against black people from unstable families.
Click to expand...
Because they will be better off financially and the crime rate will go down so they won’t be be as disadvantaged in those areas.
 
27lw said:
40.png
Freddy:
40.png
Annie:
Esalen makes a connection between a fatherless society and high rates of criminality. Is this what you are asking about?
Click to expand...
That I get. But high rates of criminality has zero connection with racism. Every responsible person is biased against criminals. The ethnicity of the criminal is utterly irrelevant in that context.
Click to expand...
What!? The ethnicity of the criminal is never irrelevant! Because… intersectionality!
Click to expand...
Well, I’ve learned a new word today. I’m not sure what it has to do with racism per se, but my vocabulary has increased.
 
The time that Moynihan wrote his report would have been the time to address the problem of fatherless families. But then the sexual revolution intervened to further exacerbate the problem. And federal policies sometimes penalized a family for having a father present. So it’s just gotten worse among all sectors of society.
 
VanitasVanitatum said:
40.png
Freddy:
And he doesn’t explain the title. How is ensuring stable black families going to counter racism?

‘I’m not going to hire her because she’s black’.
‘But she’s from a stable family’.
'Oh, my bad. Call her back. I’m only racist against black people from unstable families.
Click to expand...
Because they will be better off financially and the crime rate will go down so they won’t be be as disadvantaged in those areas.
Click to expand...
I’ve got a feeling that this won’t be the last time I’ll need to explain that the crime rate, crime itself or criminals have nothing to do with racism. Unless someone wants to suggest that people are biased against African Americans because they perceive a link between crime and being black.
 
Freddy said:
I’ve got a feeling that this won’t be the last time I’ll need to explain that the crime rate, crime itself or criminals have nothing to do with racism. Unless someone wants to suggest that people are biased against African Americans because they perceive a link between crime and being black.
Click to expand...
I guess it is not racism, but lowering crime rates in a demographic will help them.
 
I think the connection was more between fatherlessness and poverty, rather than criminality. But the absence of fathers makes it more difficult for boys to be raised correctly; that is how I understood Esolen.
 
27lw said:
Freddy, come on, you’ve never heard of intersectionality?
Click to expand...
No, it’s a new term for me. I read that wiki article. And it seems that it describes discrimination which might include racism as well as…I dunno…ageism and gender bias and financial and language differences. It seems like it’s a catch all term to describe a situation where someone is, for example, racist and sexist.
 
Well, it’s a hugely important idea these days in academia, the social services, many corporate and government workplaces.
Oops, I said “idea” but I mean “management trend”, “academic theory trend”, etc.
 
Last edited:
Annie said:
40.png
Freddy:
But high rates of criminality has zero connection with racism.
Click to expand...
There is nothing more painful to me at this stage in my life than to walk down the street and hear footsteps… then turn around and see somebody white and feel relieved.
Click to expand...
Do you think this is a racist statement? Do you know who said it?
Click to expand...
I guessed it might have been a black person before I checked. But obviously, Jackson is not racist so his comment could not be described as being racist. His comment was more a cri de coeur that a greater proportion of black men in certain environments come from broken homes and are therefore more involved in crime. That’s why he was so disheartened.

And that’s a reasonable point to make. And one I think that Esalen was trying to make. But that point, his point, has nothing to do with racism.
 
Status
Not open for further replies.
Back
Top