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To get a good understanding of the Eucharist one should read John 6:26-69

John 6:35* “Jesus said to them, “I am the bread life; he who comes to me whall never be hungry, and he who believes in me shall never be thirsty………*
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the Father, so he who eats me will have life from me. 58 ………………he who eats this bread will live forever.”


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**Sandusky **in another thread argues that we have to read this in context. He says that verse 35 explains what the rest of the passage means i.e. to eat His Body and drink His Blood means to come to him and to believe in him because those who come to Him will not hunger and those who believe in Him will not thirst.

My argument against this is that instead of verse 35 defining the later verses, it is the later verses that define verse 35.

Those who come to Him will not hunger PRECISELY BECAUSE HE WILL GIVE THEM HIS FLESH TO EAT, and those who believe in Him will not thirst PRECISELY BECAUSE HE WILL GIVE THEM HIS BLOOD TO DRINK.

Besides the term being defined usually comes before the defintion not the other way around:) .

Jesus goes into great detail to explain how those who will come to him and believe in him will not thirst in the verses that follow verse 35.
 
Thank you all for the help. I can’t wait for next Saturday to come! I’ll do my best! Yesterday I took a look around the pews while the priest was consecrating the Host, and I hope I never become indifferent to the mistery of our faith.
 
Thank you all for the help. I can’t wait for next Saturday to come! I’ll do my best! Yesterday I took a look around the pews while the priest was consecrating the Host, and I hope I never become indifferent to the mistery of our faith.
We will be praying for you Snowy.

I don’t know your age but if you are still young then you are so fortunate as your future happiness wil be guaranteed. Even if you are older it doesn’t matter. You will grow in the faith and it will enrich your life.

I think it is terribly important that we are fully catechised and that we know our faith well enough to be able to defend it. There are so many lies and misconceptions about the Catholic Church - so many books written against the Church!

Jesus did warn us to expect this.

🙂 :love:
 
I John 6:51
*“I am the living bread which has come from heaven; whoever eats of this read will live forever. *🙂
I read this just this afternoon in connection with the Eucharist. “YOU ARE WHAT YOU EAT:) 🙂 .”

So to be more Christ-like, receive HIm as often as you can.

And here is another thought from St Augustine.

When he was having trouble with the doctrine of the Eucharist, he heard a voice say:

“I am the bread of the strong. Eat me.
But you will not transform me and make me part of you.
Rather, I will transform you and make you part of Me.”
 
I read this just this afternoon in connection with the Eucharist. “YOU ARE WHAT YOU EAT:) 🙂 .”

So to be more Christ-like, receive HIm as often as you can.

And here is another thought from St Augustine.

When he was having trouble with the doctrine of the Eucharist, he heard a voice say:

“I am the bread of the strong. Eat me.
But you will not transform me and make me part of you.
Rather, I will transform you and make you part of Me.”
I have been looking into the SFO (Secular Franciscan Order) with my wife lately. Many of these orders seem very helpful in bringing more of an awareness in life through the practice of the “Liturgy of the Hours” and such. I’ve only begun to meet with them but it seems for me it may be a good devotion…
 
I have been looking into the SFO (Secular Franciscan Order) with my wife lately. Many of these orders seem very helpful in bringing more of an awareness in life through the practice of the “Liturgy of the Hours” and such. I’ve only begun to meet with them but it seems for me it may be a good devotion…
Yes, this is a very beautiful practice and not called the prayer of the Church for nothing. I like the thought that this is also called the Sanctification of the hours. It is so fitting to offer our time to the God of time. It gives a beautiful prayer rhythm to the day.

Someone wrote about the psalms seeping into your bones when you practice this and it really does.

Even better when this is chanted. I don’t know how far you are from any monastic communities but it is so beautiful when the psalms are sung / chanted.
 
Yes, this is a very beautiful practice and not called the prayer of the Church for nothing. I like the thought that this is also called the Sanctification of the hours. It is so fitting to offer our time to the God of time. It gives a beautiful prayer rhythm to the day.

Someone wrote about the psalms seeping into your bones when you practice this and it really does.

Even better when this is chanted. I don’t know how far you are from any monastic communities but it is so beautiful when the psalms are sung / chanted.
Not close enough unfortunately but I have several CD’s of the Chants by the Monks and it’s wonderful to meditate on Jesus by.
 
Not close enough unfortunately but I have several CD’s of the Chants by the Monks and it’s wonderful to meditate on Jesus by.
That is great. I find John Michael Talbot’s versions of the Psalms very beautiful as well.

I used to do the hours with the Carmelites and the Benedictines and really miss it. I have forgotten all the tunes except the one for the Benedictus. Oh well, at least I can still sing that one.🙂
 
Just as I have lost my appetite for meat and impure sexual acts, I realized today that I don’t feel like singing silly songs any more; I only feel like singing to praise the Lord and St. Mary. The problem is that so far I only know one Church song (the one about the lamb of God) and it’s getting on my wife’s nerves!

If you really want to believe and some dogmas are hard to swallow, the right words for you will show up at the right time. Today I got a double whammy from a post about Our Lady of Laus; I quote Our Lady:

“Tell the Vicar General that he can very well make God come down from Heaven by the power he received when he became a priest, but he has no commands to give the Mother of God.”

At this point, I might as well believe in Papal Supremacy also! Has the Virgin ever appeared to a Pentecostal?

Please, Cinette, stop praying for me, I don’t know if I can handle it! 🙂
 
Just as I have lost my appetite for meat and impure sexual acts, I realized today that I don’t feel like singing silly songs any more; I only feel like singing to praise the Lord and St. Mary. The problem is that so far I only know one Church song (the one about the lamb of God) and it’s getting on my wife’s nerves!

If you really want to believe and some dogmas are hard to swallow, the right words for you will show up at the right time. Today I got a double whammy from a post about Our Lady of Laus; I quote Our Lady:

“Tell the Vicar General that he can very well make God come down from Heaven by the power he received when he became a priest, but he has no commands to give the Mother of God.”

At this point, I might as well believe in Papal Supremacy also! Has the Virgin ever appeared to a Pentecostal?

Please, Cinette, stop praying for me, I don’t know if I can handle it! 🙂
Wunderbar!!! Praised be to our most loving God:heaven:

One of my favourites is “Our Supper Invitation” by kevin Bates, but it really should be listened to rather than sung as the words as spoken in the frist person by Jesus.

Take of my bread and eat
Drink my new wine
Take of my life and live
branch of my vine
Let me befriend you now
Eat take your fill
Don’t be afraid to dream
Love has it’s will

Take up your burden now
Walk till you find
Just what the journey means
Walk while there’s time
Food for the journey
will answer your need
Dont be afraid to walk
Love, my Love will lead

Take of my bread and eat
Drink my new wine
Be a sweet nourishment
To good friends of mine
Let me befriend you now
Eat take your feel
Share with your people
that Love has it’s will

There’s heaps you can download from the internet.
 
Just as I have lost my appetite for meat and impure sexual acts, I realized today that I don’t feel like singing silly songs any more; I only feel like singing to praise the Lord and St. Mary. The problem is that so far I only know one Church song (the one about the lamb of God) and it’s getting on my wife’s nerves!

If you really want to believe and some dogmas are hard to swallow, the right words for you will show up at the right time. Today I got a double whammy from a post about Our Lady of Laus; I quote Our Lady:

“Tell the Vicar General that he can very well make God come down from Heaven by the power he received when he became a priest, but he has no commands to give the Mother of God.”

At this point, I might as well believe in Papal Supremacy also! Has the Virgin ever appeared to a Pentecostal?

Please, Cinette, stop praying for me, I don’t know if I can handle it! 🙂
:kiss4you: :curtsey: :yyeess: 🎉

It wasn’t only me! How about Benedictus?😛 😉
 
Just as I have lost my appetite for meat and impure sexual acts, I realized today that I don’t feel like singing silly songs any more; I only feel like singing to praise the Lord and St. Mary. The problem is that so far I only know one Church song (the one about the lamb of God) and it’s getting on my wife’s nerves!

If you really want to believe and some dogmas are hard to swallow, the right words for you will show up at the right time. Today I got a double whammy from a post about Our Lady of Laus; I quote Our Lady:

“Tell the Vicar General that he can very well make God come down from Heaven by the power he received when he became a priest, but he has no commands to give the Mother of God.”

At this point, I might as well believe in Papal Supremacy also! Has the Virgin ever appeared to a Pentecostal?

Please, Cinette, stop praying for me, I don’t know if I can handle it! 🙂
I understand that. but the funny thing is the music I was into before just about any rock or dance or whatever I can now relate the bad influence on people it really has. I would be willing to bet your wife will like Donna as she has been considered the Celine Dion of Catholic music.

My favored singer of Catholic music is

Donna Cori Gibson
donnacorigibson.com/
 
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It wasn’t only me! How about Benedictus?😛 😉
Now Cinette, it’s one thing to escape blame for bad, another for good!
You’re being targeted for your kind ways!
The messenger should be shot when available!
Accept it
🙂 😃 👍
 
*Hail Mary, full of grace, the Lord is with Thee. Blessed art Thou among women and blessed is the fruit of Thy womb, Jesus. Holy Mary, Mother of God, pray for us sinners now and at the hour of our death. Amen. *

Come Holy Spirit, come by means of the powerful intercession of the Immaculate Heart of Mary, your well beloved spouse. Come Holy Spirit, come by means of the powerful intercession of the Immaculate Heart of Mary, your well beloved spouse. Come Holy Spirit, come by means of the powerful intercession of the Immaculate Heart of Mary, your well beloved spouse.

That’s great Snowy! Cinette, I am sure that God is also blessing you for praying for him!! 🙂

More on the Eucharist to honor your request that we discuss the Eucharist, “Is not the cup of thanksgiving for which we give thanks a participation in the blood of Christ? And is not the bread that we break a participation in the body of Christ? Because there is one loaf, we, who are many, are one body, for we all partake of the one loaf.”(1 Corinthians 10:16-17)

I was reading about St. Margaret Mary Alacoque yesterday, and in her writings are: “He showed me many religious souls who, because of some disunity with their superiors had been deprived of the help of the Holy Virgin, the saints and the visitation of their guardian angels and plunged in the horrible flames of Purgatory.” St. Margaret Mary Alacoque is the saint who received apparitions/revelations about the Devotion to the Sacred Heart of Jesus. One of her confessors also wrote: Abandonment to Divine Providence. From (Psalm 110:10) “The fear of the Lord is the beginning of wisdom: a good understanding have all they that do his commandments: his praise endureth forever.” Its a little worrisome to me that even nuns do not always go to Heaven directly and some go to hell, though their religious life obviously obtains them much merit. For further reference, here is the:Devotion to the Sacred Heart of Jesus en.wikisource.org/wiki/Devotion_to_the_Sacred_Heart_of_Jesus#FIRST_POINT._.E2.80.94_The_ardent_desire_Jesus_Christ_feels_to_be_with_us. (comes from her writings and the reflections of another of her confessors)

I wonder if the Catholic belief in Purgatory and different degrees of merit in Heaven explains the mystery of how it is necessary both to believe in the Sacred Heart of Jesus and devote ourselves to truly following him/understanding to best knowledge that we can obtain, rather than simply believe?? In my Rosary a few days ago, in between the decades, I also came about this passage from bible reading: “Brothers, my heart’s desire and prayer to God for the Israelites it that they may be saved. For I can testify about them that they are zealous for God, but their zeal is not based on knowledge. Since they did not know the righteousness that comes from God and sought to establish their own, they did not submit to God’s righteousness. Christ is the end of the law so that there may be righteousness for everyone who believes.”(Romans 10:1-2) I’ve been reading and praying a lot lately, because I think that the same thing can often be said of myself - I am zealous for God but my zeal is not based on knowledge.

As a hopefully intellectual person however, my zeal was based on partial knowledge. I read the Case for Christ, written by a former legal editor of the Chicago Legal Tribune and Master of Studies in Law graduate of Yale Law School and realized that there was real historical documentation for my belief in the Sacred Heart of Jesus. From then on, I applied my critical eye to the Church - and unable to find every opinion proven as well as the historical Jesus - I became very skeptical of the Roman Catholic Church and was soon led astray. But, in some sense, now science reaffirms my faith. I have took a computer theory class some time ago where I learned about NP-complete problems, (en.wikipedia.org/wiki/NP-complete) NP standing for Nondeterministic Polynomial Time, and realized that, as the literature stands now since 1971, we do not know how to solve any NP-complete problem in polynomial time, and all I needed to do to be able to give up on a problem in that particular class was to prove that it is NP-complete. There’s a 1 million dollar reward by the Clay Mathematics Time for being able to prove yes or no - these problems can or cannot be solved in polynomial time. So, if even in theoretical computer science/mathematics, problems cannot be solved - why should I worry that I cannot understand the Trinity in order to believe it is true? I am often blind and ignorant so please let me know if there are flaws that I can correct in this post. 🙂

Come Holy Spirit, come by means of the powerful intercession of the Immaculate Heart of Mary, your well beloved spouse. Come Holy Spirit, come by means of the powerful intercession of the Immaculate Heart of Mary, your well beloved spouse. Come Holy Spirit, come by means of the powerful intercession of the Immaculate Heart of Mary, your well beloved spouse.

*Hail Mary, full of grace, the Lord is with Thee. Blessed art Thou among women and blessed is the fruit of Thy womb, Jesus. Holy Mary, Mother of God, pray for us sinners now and at the hour of our death. Amen. *
 
*Hail Mary, full of grace, the Lord is with Thee. Blessed art Thou among women and blessed is the fruit of Thy womb, Jesus. Holy Mary, Mother of God, pray for us sinners now and at the hour of our death. Amen. *

That’s great Snowy! Cinette, I am sure that God is also blessing you for praying for him!! 🙂

More on the Eucharist to honor your request that we discuss the Eucharist, “Is not the cup of thanksgiving for which we give thanks a participation in the blood of Christ? And is not the bread that we break a participation in the body of Christ? Because there is one loaf, we, who are many, are one body, for we all partake of the one loaf.”(1 Corinthians 10:16-17)

St. Margaret Mary Alacoque is the saint who received apparitions/revelations about the Devotion to the Sacred Heart of Jesus. One of her confessors also wrote: Abandonment to Divine Providence. From (Psalm 110:10) “The fear of the Lord is the beginning of wisdom: a good understanding have all they that do his commandments: his praise endureth forever.” Its a little worrisome to me that even nuns do not always go to Heaven directly and some go to hell, though their religious life obviously obtains them much merit. For further reference, here is the:Devotion to the Sacred Heart of Jesus en.wikisource.org/wiki/Devotion_to_the_Sacred_Heart_of_Jesus#FIRST_POINT._.E2.80.94_The_ardent_desire_Jesus_Christ_feels_to_be_with_us. (comes from her writings and the reflections of another of her confessors)

I wonder if the Catholic belief in Purgatory and different degrees of merit in Heaven explains the mystery of how it is necessary both to believe in the Sacred Heart of Jesus and devote ourselves to truly following him/understanding to best knowledge that we can obtain, rather than simply believe?? In my Rosary a few days ago, in between the decades, I also came about this passage from bible reading: “Brothers, my heart’s desire and prayer to God for the Israelites it that they may be saved. For I can testify about them that they are zealous for God, but their zeal is not based on knowledge. Since they did not know the righteousness that comes from God and sought to establish their own, they did not submit to God’s righteousness. Christ is the end of the law so that there may be righteousness for everyone who believes.”(Romans 10:1-2) I’ve been reading and praying a lot lately, because I think that the same thing can often be said of myself - I am zealous for God but my zeal is not based on knowledge.

As a hopefully intellectual person however, my zeal was based on partial knowledge. I read the Case for Christ, written by a former legal editor of the Chicago Legal Tribune and Master of Studies in Law graduate of Yale Law School and realized that there was real historical documentation for my belief in the Sacred Heart of Jesus. From then on, I applied my critical eye to the Church - and unable to find every opinion proven as well as the historical Jesus - I became very skeptical of the Roman Catholic Church and was soon led astray. But, in some sense, now science reaffirms my faith. I have took a computer theory class some time ago where I learned about NP-complete problems, (en.wikipedia.org/wiki/NP-complete) NP standing for Nondeterministic Polynomial Time, and realized that, as the literature stands now since 1971, we do not know how to solve any NP-complete problem in polynomial time, and all I needed to do to be able to give up on a problem in that particular class was to prove that it is NP-complete. There’s a 1 million dollar reward by the Clay Mathematics Time for being able to prove yes or no - these problems can or cannot be solved in polynomial time. So, if even in theoretical computer science/mathematics, problems cannot be solved - why should I worry that I cannot understand the Trinity in order to believe it is true? I am often blind and ignorant so please let me know if there are flaws that I can correct in this post. 🙂

Come Holy Spirit, come by means of the powerful intercession of the Immaculate Heart of Mary, your well beloved spouse. Come Holy Spirit, come by means of the powerful intercession of the Immaculate Heart of Mary, your well beloved spouse. Come Holy Spirit, come by means of the powerful intercession of the Immaculate Heart of Mary, your well beloved spouse.

*Hail Mary, full of grace, the Lord is with Thee. Blessed art Thou among women and blessed is the fruit of Thy womb, Jesus. Holy Mary, Mother of God, pray for us sinners now and at the hour of our death. Amen. *
I enjoyed your posting and plan to contemplate the Sacred Heart today sometime.

I have a beautiful sketch of the Sacred Heart given to me by the artist an Italian Catholic Priest. He went to Rome to study sacred art and about 18 months ago he fell into an old covered up well on his Mother’s property (nobody knew it was there) and he died. This priest had a very childlike faith (very beautiful). The sketch done in charcoal presents the beautiful face of Jesus looking down - the heart was done with gold leaf I think. It hangs on my wall.

Thank you AveSantaMaria!🙂 Jesus
 
At dinner last night, I was thinking of the phrase “To Jesus through Mary.”

And I thought we’ll you can certainly find Jesus without going through Mary but you can’t be sure you’ve got the right Jesus.🙂

I watched “The Fourth Wise Man” a month ago and someone was passing off a counterfeit child Jesus.:eek:

But then I though for others it probably does work the other way around. They come to know the real Jesus and become really good friends with HIm. Then one day, out of love for them He says " Hey, I want you to come over for Supper and meet Mom".🙂

So Mary meets another friend of her Son and straightaway treats him/her like her own.
 
“Tell the Vicar General . . . he has no commands to give to the Mother of God.” (The Virgin Mary)

You don’t mess with the Virgencita! She has already set me straight as to how I’m to treat my wife: as holy. (She said it nicely, I don’t want to misportray her.)

Today I bought a CD with chants by J.M. Talbot and his monk ensemble. The Latin with a Brooklin accent sounds funny! The Psalms in English are easier to take in when you hear them chanted than when you read them off the Bible.

Tomorrow is my big day! Please pray for the Holy Spirit to guide me through my Confession.

I love you all, even those who wish me dead by firing squad!
 
“Tell the Vicar General . . . he has no commands to give to the Mother of God.” (The Virgin Mary)

You don’t mess with the Virgencita! She has already set me straight as to how I’m to treat my wife: as holy. (She said it nicely, I don’t want to misportray her.)

Today I bought a CD with chants by J.M. Talbot and his monk ensemble. The Latin with a Brooklin accent sounds funny! The Psalms in English are easier to take in when you hear them chanted than when you read them off the Bible.

Tomorrow is my big day! Please pray for the Holy Spirit to guide me through my Confession.

I love you all, even those who wish me dead by firing squad!
Snoooowyyy!

You will be received with open arms and you know it!

God bless you
Cinette
 
“Tell the Vicar General . . . he has no commands to give to the Mother of God.” (The Virgin Mary)

You don’t mess with the Virgencita! She has already set me straight as to how I’m to treat my wife: as holy. (She said it nicely, I don’t want to misportray her.)

Today I bought a CD with chants by J.M. Talbot and his monk ensemble. The Latin with a Brooklin accent sounds funny! The Psalms in English are easier to take in when you hear them chanted than when you read them off the Bible.

Tomorrow is my big day! Please pray for the Holy Spirit to guide me through my Confession.

I love you all, even those who wish me dead by firing squad!
Jesus will surely be with you.🙂

I have the same CD. My favourite of his recordings though is “Come to The Quiet”. Check that one out. The very first psalm with the bells is so fitting as one heralds the dawn.:harp:
 
Thought I’d start a different topic still related on how we Catholics live by faith.

As I mentioned before, my very first companions in my Journey were the Jesuits via a book called “Opening to God” by Thomas Green.

In another book (The God of Surprises by Gerald Hughes) I learned imaginative contemplation.

I am not sure if anyone has practiced this as a method of praying the Scripture but when I did the Spiritual Exercises of St Ignatius, I found this a very good way of meditating on the Gospels. Not all books of the Bible are suitable for this kind of praying but the Gospels and the more narrative books of the OT are.

How I do this is: You read the passage once, pause a few minutes, read the passage again and then meditate on what you’ve read. You try to remember as much of the passage as you can and you situate yourself in the passage. It is not like watching a movie. You actually become a player in the story. And you just let your imagination go from there. You notice the other players expressions, the surroundings etc.

So if you are reading say the Prodigal Son, you become either the younger son, or older son or the Father. It really opens up the passage in a new way. The biggest turning point in my spiritual life was meditating on the Prodigal Son in this way.
 
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