To Protestants: Why aren't you Catholic?

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admiral:
If that makes me “evangelical”, then I guess I am evangelical…
And Jesus came and spoke to them, saying, “All authority has been given to Me in heaven and on earth. Go therefore and make disciples of all the nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit, teaching them to observe all things that I have commanded you; and lo, I am with you always, even to the end of the age.” Amen. Matthew 28:18-20

Since Jesus didn’t say ’ observe all things that I commanded you; and lo, once all 11 of you Apostles die, no one will know what I have taught until 2006, where you must seek an evangelical.’, it begs a question. I wonder who in the year 300 a.d. shared your common beliefs and if you can give one example? If you can pull that off, I wonder who shares your common beliefs in the year 500 a.d.?
 
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onesimplemind:
And Jesus came and spoke to them, saying, “All authority has been given to Me in heaven and on earth. Go therefore and make disciples of all the nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit, teaching them to observe all things that I have commanded you; and lo, I am with you always, even to the end of the age.” Amen. Matthew 28:18-20

Since Jesus didn’t say ’ observe all things that I commanded you; and lo, once all 11 of you Apostles die, no one will know what I have taught until 2006, where you must seek an evangelical.’, it begs a question. I wonder who in the year 300 a.d. shared your common beliefs and if you can give one example? If you can pull that off, I wonder who shares your common beliefs in the year 500 a.d.?
IOWs, you assume that tradition was passed down from pope to pope…and never changed…

Unfortuntately, history shows otherwise…Even the bible foretells that there must 'first come a falling away" …And it did…

Only in Antioch, did the origional teachings of the Apositles survive until around 500 ad…And then the CC church took control of Chrisitanity…and molded it to it’s current form…

Sorry, but Jesus also told us to beware of teaching that undermined the teachings of God specifically the 10 Commandments…

Mark 7:8-13 (New American Standard Bible)

8"Neglecting the commandment of God, you hold to the (A)tradition of men." He was also saying to them, "You are experts at setting aside the commandment of God in order to keep your (B)tradition. "For Moses said, '[Ten commandments referenced, ]
thus invalidating the word of God by your (F)tradition which you have handed down; and you do many things such as that

If this alone were enough to show the CC as errant, but there are hundreds of thing that show the differernce between the CC and the bible…to which the CC has NO clue…because it has long ago abandoned the faith of the Apostles, as Paul referenced.

1 Timothy 4:1-3 (New American Standard Bible)
1But the Spirit explicitly says that in later times some will fall away from the faith, paying attention to deceitful spirits and doctrines of demons,
2by means of the hypocrisy of liars seared in their own conscience as with a branding iron,

3men who forbid marriage and advocate abstaining from foods which God has created to be gratefully shared in by those who believe and know the truth.

As I recall, the majority of priests are forbidden to marry, and fish was not allowed on fridays for centurys ?]…And since there is this holy flesh concept that the CC has thru the EUCHARIST
[gotta spell it correctly], which the bible specifically condemns…

Sorry, guys, but it looks like you just don’t have what it takes to claim to be…bible based…and without that, you have NO authority… your pope is a glorified non-chrisitan pastor and your rituals are the doctrine of …well not angels…nor of heaven…
 
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admiral:
IOWs, you assume that tradition was passed down from pope to pope…and never changed…
Sacred Tradition changed? No it did not.
Unfortuntately, history shows otherwise…Even the bible foretells that there must 'first come a falling away" …And it did…
“I will build my Church and the gates of hell will not prevail against it” (Matt. 16:18).

Jesus is not a liar. The gates of hell have not prevailed.
Only in Antioch, did the origional teachings of the Apositles survive until around 500 ad…And then the CC church took control of Chrisitanity…and molded it to it’s current form…
Antioch is where the term Christian was first used. So the original teachings survived in Antioch until around 500 A.D. Let’s look at a quote from the Bishop of Antioch, Ignatius, from the 2nd century:

"See that ye all follow the bishop, even as Jesus Christ does the Father, and the presbytery as ye would the apostles; and reverence the deacons, as being the institution of God. Let no man do anything connected with the Church without the bishop. Let that be deemed a proper Eucharist, which is [administered] either by the bishop, or by one to whom he has entrusted it. Wherever the bishop shall appear, there let the multitude [of the people] also be; even as, wherever Jesus Christ is, there is the Catholic Church. *Ignatius of Antioch, Epistle to the Smyraens, 8 (c. A.D. 110). *
 
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admiral:
Sorry, but Jesus also told us to beware of teaching that undermined the teachings of God specifically the 10 Commandments…

Mark 7:8-13 (New American Standard Bible)

8"Neglecting the commandment of God, you hold to the (A)tradition of men." He was also saying to them, "You are experts at setting aside the commandment of God in order to keep your (B)tradition. "For Moses said, '[Ten commandments referenced, ]
thus invalidating the word of God by your (F)tradition which you have handed down; and you do many things such as that

Sacred Tradition is not traditions of men. Sacred Tradition comes from God. It does not say by Bible Alone in the Bible. It does say:

Matt. 15:3 - Jesus condemns human traditions that void God’s word. Some Protestants use this verse to condemn all tradition. But this verse has nothing to do with the tradition we must obey that was handed down to us from the apostles. (Here, the Pharisees, in their human tradition, gave goods to the temple to avoid taking care of their parents, and this voids God’s law of honoring one’s father and mother.)

Mark 7:9 - this is the same as Matt. 15:3 - there is a distinction between human tradition (that we should reject) and apostolic tradition (that we must accept).

Gal. 1:14; Col. 2:22 – Paul also writes about “the traditions of my fathers” and “human precepts and doctrines” which regarded the laws of Judaism. These traditions are no longer necessary.

Acts 2:42 - the members obeyed apostolic tradition (doctrine, prayers, and the breaking of bread). Their obedience was not to the Scriptures alone. Tradition (in Greek, “paradosis”) means “to hand on” teaching.

Acts 20:7 - this verse gives us a glimpse of Christian worship on Sunday, but changing the Lord’s day from Saturday to Sunday is understood primarily from oral apostolic tradition.

John 17:20 - Jesus prays for all who believe in Him through the oral word of the apostles. Jesus protects oral apostolic teaching.

1 Cor. 11:2 - Paul commends the faithful for maintaining the apostolic tradition that they have received. The oral word is preserved and protected by the Spirit.

Eph. 4:20 – Paul refers the Ephesians to the oral tradition they previously received when he writes, “You did not so learn Christ!”

Phil. 4:9 - Paul says that what you have learned and received and heard and seen in me, do. This refers to learning from his preaching and example, which is apostolic tradition.

Col. 1:5-6 – of this you have heard before in the word of the truth, the gospel, which has come to you. This delivery of the faith refers to the oral tradition the Colossians had previously received from the ordained leaders of the Church. This oral tradition is called the gospel of truth.

1 Thess.1:5 – our gospel came to you not only in word, but in the power of the Holy Spirit. Paul is referring to the oral tradition which the Thessalonians had previously received. There is never any instruction to abandon these previous teachings; to the contrary, they are to be followed as the word of God.

1 Thess. 4:2 – Paul again refers the Thessalonians to the instructions they already had received, which is the oral apostolic tradition.

2 Thess. 2:5 – Paul yet again refers the Thessalonians to the previous teachings they received from Paul when he taught them orally. These oral teachings are no less significant than the written teachings.

2 Thess. 2:15 - Paul clearly commands us in this verse to obey oral apostolic tradition. He says stand firm and hold to the traditions which you were taught, either by word of mouth or letter. This verse proves that for apostolic authority, oral and written communications are on par with each other. Protestants must find a verse that voids this commandment to obey oral tradition elsewhere in the Bible, or they are not abiding by the teachings of Scripture.
 
More on oral tradition in the Bible:

Matt. 15:3 - Jesus condemns human traditions that void God’s word. Some Protestants use this verse to condemn all tradition. But this verse has nothing to do with the tradition we must obey that was handed down to us from the apostles. (Here, the Pharisees, in their human tradition, gave goods to the temple to avoid taking care of their parents, and this voids God’s law of honoring one’s father and mother.)

Mark 7:9 - this is the same as Matt. 15:3 - there is a distinction between human tradition (that we should reject) and apostolic tradition (that we must accept).

Gal. 1:14; Col. 2:22 – Paul also writes about “the traditions of my fathers” and “human precepts and doctrines” which regarded the laws of Judaism. These traditions are no longer necessary.

Acts 2:42 - the members obeyed apostolic tradition (doctrine, prayers, and the breaking of bread). Their obedience was not to the Scriptures alone. Tradition (in Greek, “paradosis”) means “to hand on” teaching.

Acts 20:7 - this verse gives us a glimpse of Christian worship on Sunday, but changing the Lord’s day from Saturday to Sunday is understood primarily from oral apostolic tradition.

John 17:20 - Jesus prays for all who believe in Him through the oral word of the apostles. Jesus protects oral apostolic teaching.

1 Cor. 11:2 - Paul commends the faithful for maintaining the apostolic tradition that they have received. The oral word is preserved and protected by the Spirit.

Eph. 4:20 – Paul refers the Ephesians to the oral tradition they previously received when he writes, “You did not so learn Christ!”

Phil. 4:9 - Paul says that what you have learned and received and heard and seen in me, do. This refers to learning from his preaching and example, which is apostolic tradition.

Col. 1:5-6 – of this you have heard before in the word of the truth, the gospel, which has come to you. This delivery of the faith refers to the oral tradition the Colossians had previously received from the ordained leaders of the Church. This oral tradition is called the gospel of truth.

1 Thess.1:5 – our gospel came to you not only in word, but in the power of the Holy Spirit. Paul is referring to the oral tradition which the Thessalonians had previously received. There is never any instruction to abandon these previous teachings; to the contrary, they are to be followed as the word of God.

1 Thess. 4:2 – Paul again refers the Thessalonians to the instructions they already had received, which is the oral apostolic tradition.

2 Thess. 2:5 – Paul yet again refers the Thessalonians to the previous teachings they received from Paul when he taught them orally. These oral teachings are no less significant than the written teachings.

2 Thess. 2:15 - Paul clearly commands us in this verse to obey oral apostolic tradition. He says stand firm and hold to the traditions which you were taught, either by word of mouth or letter. This verse proves that for apostolic authority, oral and written communications are on par with each other. Protestants must find a verse that voids this commandment to obey oral tradition elsewhere in the Bible, or they are not abiding by the teachings of Scripture.

2 Thess. 2:15 - in fact, it was this apostolic tradition that allowed the Church to select the Bible canon (apostolicity was determined from tradition). Since all the apostles were deceased at the time the canon was decided, the Church had to rely on the apostolic tradition of their successors. Hence, the Bible is an apostolic tradition of the Catholic Church. This also proves that oral tradition did not cease with the death of the last apostle. Other examples of apostolic tradition include the teachings on the Blessed Trinity, the hypostatic union (Jesus had a divine and human nature in one person), the filioque (that the Spirit proceeds from the Father and the Son), the assumption of Mary, and knowing that the Gospel of Matthew was written by Matthew.

2 Thess. 3:6 - Paul again commands the faithful to live in accord with the tradition that they received from the apostles.

2 Thess. 3:7 - Paul tells them they already know how to imitate the elders. He is referring them to the tradition they have learned by his oral preaching and example.
 
1 Tim. 6:20 - guard what has been “entrusted” to you. The word “entrusted” is “paratheke” which means a “deposit.” Oral tradition is part of what the Church has always called the Deposit of Faith.

2 Tim. 2:2 - Paul says what you have heard from me entrust to faithful men who will be able to teach others also. This is “tradition,” or the handing on of apostolic teaching.

2 Tim. 3:14 - continue in what you have learned and believed knowing from whom you learned it (by oral tradition). 1 John 2:7 – John refers to the oral word his disciples have heard which is the old commandment that we love one another.

www.scripturecatholic.com

Now, can you show me where it says “Bible Only” in the Bible?
 
admiral said:
1 Timothy 4:1-3 (New American Standard Bible)
1But the Spirit explicitly says that in later times some will fall away from the faith, paying attention to deceitful spirits and doctrines of demons,
2by means of the hypocrisy of liars seared in their own conscience as with a branding iron,

This is referring to heresies such as all of the thousands of denominations within Protestantism.

Martin Luther did not have the teaching authority of the bishop (a valid bishop with apostolic succession) as he was not a bishop or by extension a successor to the apostles. He also states that he was not speaking for the Holy Spirit.

Please read this article, “The Teaching Authority of the Church”:

catholic.com/thisrock/2004/0401clas.asp
 
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admiral:
Sorry, guys, but it looks like you just don’t have what it takes to claim to be…bible based…and without that, you have NO authority… your pope is a glorified non-chrisitan pastor and your rituals are the doctrine of …well not angels…nor of heaven…
I wonder who had your “bible based” beliefs in the year 300 a.d.? Any names?

And that brings me to what I posted earlier…

Since Jesus didn’t say ’ observe all things that I commanded you; and lo, once all 11 of you Apostles die, no one will know what I have taught until 2006, where you must seek an evangelical.’, it begs a question. I wonder who in the year 300 a.d. shared your common beliefs and if you can give one example? If you can pull that off, I wonder who shared your common beliefs in the year 500 a.d.?
 
You are misinterpreting what the Church teaches. I can not merit anything. This can only come through God’s grace"Merit is possible only by God’s grace and only for the person who already has been justified by grace.".
Merit, ANYTIME in the Christian experience, is nothing more than a disguised earning heaven thru your own works. And I am NOT misinterpreting what the church teaches…It is in the CC and I have highlighted it below…

Moved by the Holy Spirit and by charity, we can then merit for ourselves and for others the graces needed for our sanctification, for the increase of grace and charity, and for the attainment of eternal life. Even temporal goods like health and friendship can be merited in accordance with God’s wisdom. These graces and goods are the object of Christian prayer. Prayer attends to the grace we need for meritorious actions.
This teaching was summarized at the Council of Trent (1546) in response to the Reformers’ rejection of merit. The Council taught that “none of those things which precede justification, whether faith or works, merit the grace of justification; for if it is by grace, it is not now by works; otherwise, as the Apostle [Paul] says, grace is no more grace” (Decree on Justification 8, citing Rom. 11:6).
And for good reason was it rejected…'merit for ourselves …attainment of eternal life." No wonder the reformers rejected it.

Galatians 2:16
16nevertheless knowing that )a man is not justified by the works of the Law but through faith in Christ Jesus, even we have believed in Christ Jesus, so that we may be justified by faith in Christ and not by the works of the Law; since by the works of the Law no flesh will be justified.
This was spoken to a people who truely wanted to work thier way into heaven thru Jesus…and they got nailed for it…
Paul tells us “For [God] will reward every man according to his works: to those who by perseverance in working good seek for glory and honor and immortality, he will give eternal life. There will be . . . glory and honor and peace for every one who does good, the Jew first and also the Greek. For God shows no partiality” (Rom. 2:6–11; cf. Gal. 6:6–10).
That may be, but man is already justified and has only to believe and act upon that belief.

Ephesians 2:8-10 (New American Standard Bible)
8For by grace you have been saved through faith; and that not of yourselves, it is the gift of God;

9not as a result of works, so that no one may boast.

10For we are His workmanship, created in Christ Jesus for good works, which God prepared beforehand so that we would walk in them.
It is not Biblical to believe, that by accepting/believing the sacrifice of Jesus, an individual will automatically have eternal life. Salvation is a gift that can freely be rejected by the individual.
John 3:16 16"For God so (A)loved the world, that He (B)gave His (C)only begotten Son, that whoever (D)believes in Him shall not perish, but have eternal life.

Sounds to me that a person can believe and have eternal life. And while it is true that salvation can be freely rejected, if Jesus is lifted up, as He says, He will draw all men to Him. See John 12:32
Again, I assure you that no doctrine of the Church contradicts the Bible.
And everytime I come here, I show another contradition…That’s puzzling… 🙂
“Underwent Eucharist”?

That must have been a fast autopsy, by the way!
You don’t understand autospys or the digestive system…
And it is my impression that the Eucharist is given so that you have ‘holy flesh’ assembled into your body so that you can enter into heaven…[another strange teaching contrary to the bible].

Holy flesh? It’s Christ Himself. Do you not need Christ for your Salvation?
Sure, but I don’t need to eat His literal flesh to have Him in my life.
Nevermind - You’re Evangelical. Got it.
Ah, so you think so, eh? …I might surprize you yet… 😃
 
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admiral:
men who forbid marriage and advocate abstaining from foods which God has created to be gratefully shared in by those who believe and know the truth.

As I recall, the majority of priests are forbidden to marry
Firstly, “Paul is speaking about those who have veered away from the Christian understanding of the goodness of marriage, opting for a false asceticism that denounces it.” This was a heresy of the Cathari.

"Such an unbalanced idea of marriage is the opposite of the celibacy chosen by Catholic priests. Those who “renounce marriage for the sake of the kingdom of heaven” (Matt. 19:12 NAB) do so not because marriage is bad, but precisely because its goodness makes its renunciation a valuable and gift to offer to God. "

“In the Gospel of Matthew, Jesus states, “Some are incapable of marriage because they were born so; some, because they were made so by others; some because they have *renounced marriage for the sake of the kingdom of heaven. *Whoever can accept this ought to accept it” (19:12 NAB). This is an invitation from Christ to live as he did, and there can be nothing unacceptable in that.”

catholic.com/thisrock/2001/0104sbs.asp
 
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admiral:
and fish was not allowed on fridays for centurys ?]…And since there is this holy flesh concept that the CC has thru the EUCHARIST
[gotta spell it correctly], which the bible specifically condemns…
I don’t understand the thought here. Can you please explain.
Sorry, guys, but it looks like you just don’t have what it takes to claim to be…bible based…and without that, you have NO authority… your pope is a glorified non-chrisitan (sic) pastor and your rituals are the doctrine of …well not angels…nor of heaven…
The Canon was set at the Councils of Hippo and Carthage. Does you Bible have the same Canon? No. It doesn’t. So, I ask you, why not?

That nothing be read in church besides the Canonical Scripture.

ITEM, that besides the Canonical Scriptures nothing be read in church under the name of divine Scripture.

But the Canonical Scriptures are as follows:
  • Genesis
  • Exodus
  • Leviticus
  • Numbers
  • Deuteronomy
  • Joshua the Son of Nun
  • The Judges
  • Ruth
  • The Kings (4 books)
  • The Chronicles (2 books)
  • Job
  • The Psalter
  • The Five books of Solomon
  • The Twelve Books of the Prophets
  • Isaiah
  • Jeremiah
  • Ezechiel
  • Daniel
  • Tobit
  • Judith
  • Esther
  • Ezra (2 books)
  • Macchabees (2 books)
The New Testament:
  • The Gospels (4 books)
  • The Acts of the Apostles (1 book)
  • The Epistles of Paul (14)
  • The Epistles of Peter, the Apostle (2)
  • The Epistles of John the Apostle (3)
  • The Epistles of James the Apostle (1)
  • The Epistle of Jude the Apostle (1)
  • The Revelation of John (1 book)
Let this be sent to our brother and fellow bishop, [Pope] Boniface, and to the other bishops of those parts, that they may confirm this canon, for these are the things which we have received from our fathers to be read in church.
 
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admiral:
Merit, ANYTIME in the Christian experience, is nothing more than a disguised earning heaven thru your own works. And I am NOT misinterpreting what the church teaches…It is in the CC and I have highlighted it below…

Moved by the Holy Spirit and by charity, we can then merit for ourselves and for others the graces needed for our sanctification, for the increase of grace and charity, and for the attainment of eternal life. Even temporal goods like health and friendship can be merited in accordance with God’s wisdom. These graces and goods are the object of Christian prayer. Prayer attends to the grace we need for meritorious actions.
You are still not comprehending this teaching. We do not earn heaven by our own works. Salvation was made possible by Christ’s death and Resurrection. We can* lose* our salvation.

Matt. 5:2-11 - Jesus’ teaching of the beatitudes goes beyond faith - being pure, merciful, and peacemakers are all good works. They are acts of the will that are necessary for a right relationship with God.

Matt. 5:16 - Jesus confirms this by teaching, “let your light shine before men that they may see your ‘good works’ and give glory to God.” Good works glorify God and increase our justification before the Father.

Matt. 5:39-42 - give your striker the other cheek, give away your cloak, and go with him two miles. This faith in action, not faith alone.

Matt. 5:44-47 - this means even loving our enemies and praying for those who persecute us. Love is a good work, an act of the will.

Matt. 6:12 - forgive us our sins, not by how much faith we have, but as we forgive those who trespass against us.

Matt. 7:19-23 - just saying “Lord, Lord” and accepting Jesus as personal Savior is not enough. We must also bear the fruit of good works.

Matt. 19:16-22 - Jesus teaches the man to sell all he has and give it to the poor. It is not just about accepting Jesus as personal Lord and Savior. We also need good works by keeping Jesus’ commandments.

Matt. 22:39; Mark 12:31 - Jesus says You shall love your neighbor as yourself. Love is a good work - an act of the intellect and will.

Mark 9:39 - Jesus said no one who does good works in His name will be able to soon after speak evil of Him. Good works justify us before God.

Luke 6:46-47 - the Lord asks us to do what he tells us, and that is to keep His commandments, not just “accept” Him as personal Lord and Savior.

Can you show me where it says “Bible Only”, “Once Saved, Always Saved” and where we see someone reciting the “Jesus Prayer” in the Bible?
 
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Eden:
Can you show me where it says “Bible Only”, “Once Saved, Always Saved” and where we see someone reciting the “Jesus Prayer” in the Bible?
And to expand on that question, I want to know who held that belief from the death of the last Apostle to about 1500 a.d.
 
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admiral:
Galatians 2:16
16nevertheless knowing that )a man is not justified by the works of the Law but through faith in Christ Jesus, even we have believed in Christ Jesus, so that we may be justified by faith in Christ and not by the works of the Law; since by the works of the Law no flesh will be justified.
This was spoken to a people who truely wanted to work thier way into heaven thru Jesus…and they got nailed for it…
Are you actually reading my posts? We continue to cover the same material.

You do not understand this passage.

Man is not justified by “works of the law.” Paul is referring to the Mosaic law and anything which views God as a debtor to us.
That may be, but man is already justified and has only to believe and act upon that belief.
  1. Faith Justifies Initially, but Works Perfect and Complete Justification
  2. You are mistaking Works of Law (Mosaic Law) with Good Works
  3. Justification = Inner Change of Person (Infusion); Not Just a Declaration by God (Imputation)
  4. Justification is Ongoing, Not a One-Time Event
  5. Jesus and Apostles Taught that Works are Necessary for Justification
All of the above is Biblical. You can get all of the Chapters/Verses at www.scripturecatholic.com. Click on “Justification”.
 
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admiral:
And everytime I come here, I show another contradition…That’s puzzling… 🙂
What contradictions have you shown me? You gave me what you thought are contradictions. I showed you how you were in error. I will say it again - The Church has no doctrine that contradicts the Bible.

You keep forgetting that the Church set the Canon. We know the Bible.
 
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admiral:
Sure, but I don’t need to eat His literal flesh to have Him in my life.
Christ clearly said that you do.

The Eucharist is Essential to Healing Our World
The sacred nature of the Eucharist is absolutely essential in living a grace filled life and helps us to live a true Christian life. Jesus even promises us in John 15:12 that if we abide in Him, that we will be able to “love one another” as he has loved us. Without the help of Jesus, we cannot love each other as Christ loves us. We need to abide in Christ through the eating of His flesh, the Eucharist. The graces that we receive through eating His body are able to transform our hearts and renew our lives. But all this must be done in faith. We must believe. If we truly believe and have even the smallest amount of faith and ask Him to help us in our lives, then we will receive the help to live in love.

It is so very important to attend Mass at least weekly, if not more often. And if you are not Catholic, I encourage you to seek for yourself the Truth. See for yourself what the Early Christians wrote in the first 500 year of Christianity. I see the denial of the sacredness of the Eucharist as the root of many of the most severe problems in our world today. Most people in our world have rejected God’s commandments and rejected His Body and Blood, and as a result their minds have been darkened. Thus, they have no life in them and are easy targets of the Enemy and his prideful and deceitful influence.

trueknights.org/CurrentCause3.html
 
Nothing like spaming a person to keep him involved…
Sacred Tradition is not traditions of men. Sacred Tradition comes from God. It does not say by Bible Alone in the Bible. It does say:
Matt. 15:3 - Jesus condemns human traditions that void God’s word.
I will give you that…Jesus condemns human traditions that void God’s word…

Acts 2:42 - the members obeyed apostolic tradition (doctrine, prayers, and the breaking of bread). Their obedience was not to the Scriptures alone.

True, it was what they had been taught from the Apostles…See vs 43…So, the Apostles were the bible’s and everyone experience associated with Jesus was their lessons and text books…Not necessary an oral “tradition”, but rather a contemporary information session at the time…
Acts 20:7 - this verse gives us a glimpse of Christian worship on Sunday, but changing the Lord’s day from Saturday to Sunday is understood primarily from oral apostolic tradition.
Here is where I see a major error from the Catholic Chruch… Some translations indicate that this incident happened Saturday evening…not during the daytime…as Jewish reckoning of time goes and as Dr. Luke was apt to do…As a result, I see a glowing error here…

Please note, that in the OT, God calls Abraham “His friend”. Friends inform friends of how they like to be treated…God told Abraham’s children how He wanted to be treated, in the 10 Commandments…The 4 commandment says to Remember the Sabbath…It is specific and there is no command in the bible, OT or NT, that shows a change in the Sabbath

Interestingly enough, the Catholic Church says that IT has the authority to change the 10 commandments…

Only One who is holy, just, righteous and good, can change that law that is describe the same ways, as holy just righteous and good.

Does history show that the Catholic Church is holy, just and righteous and good? I don’t think so…in fact, I know it is not…

Only God is allowed to change that Law…And I dont see where He has written it down that it was changed…

So, you see, there is good reason why I am not a Catholic…And there is good reason why you should not be either…
 
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admiral:
Nothing like spaming a person to keep him involved…
If you would post new thread topics for each idea, we could keep the ideas separate. But you are trying to pile in as many things as you can so that nothing gets adequately addressed. I’m trying to address the abundance of different topics which you dumped here. If you don’t like so much information in one place. Please start the eight or so threads individually.
 
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admiral:
Nothing like spaming a person to keep him involved…

Interestingly enough, the Catholic Church says that IT has the authority to change the 10 commandments…Only One who is holy, just, righteous and good, can change that law that is describe the same ways, as holy just righteous and good. Does history show that the Catholic Church is holy, just and righteous and good? I don’t think so…in fact, I know it is not… Only God is allowed to change that Law…And I dont see where He has written it down that it was changed…

So, you see, there is good reason why I am not a Catholic…And there is good reason why you should not be either…
Because the Church is the pillar of truth and the gates of hell will not prevail, there has to be one true Chruch somewhere.What church is it, Is it your church? I want to see if the teachings of your church can be found throughout history. The teachings of your church should be found, based on the promise of Jesus, right?

And that brings me to something I have been posting but not getting a clear answer to…

…I would like to know how you have the most correct interpretation of the Bible, and if you or your church has the most correct understanding of Christian faith, and I would like examples of people from the death of the last Apostle to 1500 a.d. who have had an interpretation of the Scripture and an understanding of Christian faith that is closely in common with yours(or your church’s).

I wouldn’t mind seeing some spamming of these examples.
 
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