To Protestants: Why aren't you Catholic?

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JSmitty2005:
The Scriptures that the Bible and Jesus were referring to is NOT the New Testament!
ALL* references to Scripture in the Bible are toward the Old Testament Scriptures. The NT didn’t even exist yet! Paul tells Timothy that he knew the Scriptures from his childhood and Jesus is stressing the fact that He fulfills the OT prophecies. Furthermore, “Word of God” does NOT = the Bible! BUT, the Bible is the Word of God. There’s a difference. God’s Word, first and foremost, is a Person…Jesus Christ. It is also His teachings which are found in both Scripture and Tradition.

*Some of Paul’s writings were apparently considered Scripture, BUT the only person who had the audacity to make such a claim was, guess who? PETER!

Not true. Private interpretation is expressly forbidden throughout the Scriptures.
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Very nice point Smitty. Indeed, evertime Christ or any of the authors of the NT refer us to scripture, they are referring us to the OT since the NT did not exist. This issue is much like the one in the book of Revelation. The last part of Revelation forbids adding or subtracting anything from “this book.” Protestans automatically assume that means “the whole bible.” It does not. For when Revelations was written there was no bibel. The command in Revelations is refereing to itself- no one shall add or subtract anything from the book of Revelations- and that is it.
 
In bold are the assertions from the article that myfavoritmartin left out but I feel are important for understanding the context of his argument:

“In vain do they worship me, teaching for doctrines the commandments of men.” “Laying aside the commandment of God, ye hold the tradition of men.” “Making the word of God of none effect through your tradition.”
2. Again. The Bible teaches us the duty of reading and searching the Scriptures. The Lord Jesus Himself said, “Search the Scriptures”; but Romanism forbids the general reading of Scripture, asserting that such a use of the word of God in the vulgar tongue causes more harm than good, and that it must never be practiced except by special permission in writing obtained from a priest. **If any presume to read it without that, they are not to receive absolution. Booksellers who sell the Bible to any desiring to obtain it are to have penalties inflicted upon them, and no one is to purchase a Bible without special license from their superior. This is extended to receiving a gift of the Bible. **
  1. The true faith teaches us that every man is bound to judge for himself as to the meaning of Scripture. “Prove all things, hold fast that which is good.” “To the law and to the testimony: if they speak not according to this word, it is because there is no light in them.” But the Council of Trent decrees, that “no one confiding in his own judgment shall dare to wrest the sacred Scriptures to his own sense of them contrary to that which is held by holy mother Church, whose right it is to judge of the meaning.” If any one disobeys this decree he is to be punished according to law.
  2. Scripture teaches us most abundantly that Christ is the only head of the Church. God gave Him to be the head over all things to the Church, which is His body; but Romanism teaches that the pope is the head of the Church on earth. “The pope is the head of all heads, and the prince, moderator, and pastor of the whole Church of Christ, which is under him,” says Benedict XIV; and the Douay catechism, taught in all Papal schools, says, “He who is not in due connection and subordination to the pope must needs be dead, and cannot be counted a member of the Church.”
  3. Scripture teaches us that the wages of sin is death, and “that whoever shall keep the law, and yet offend in one point, is guilty of all.” “Cursed is every one that continueth not in all things which are written in the book of the law to do them.” But Popery teaches that there are some sins which do not deserve the wrath and curse of God, and that venial sins do not bring spiritual death to the soul.
  4. The Bible teaches us that a man is justified by faith without the deeds of the law, and that we are justified freely by His grace through the redemption that is in Christ Jesus. But Popery denounces this doctrine. The Council of Trent asserted that whosoever should affirm that we are justified by the grace and favor of God was to be accursed, and so all those who hold that salvation is not by works, but by grace.
  5. Scripture teaches us to confess sin to God only. “Against thee, thee only, have I sinned, and done this evil in thy sight.” “Every one of us shall give account of himself to God.” “If we confess our sins, he is faithful and just to forgive us our sins.” But **Romanism **denies this, and says that sacramental confession to a priest is necessary to salvation, and that any one who should denounce the practice of secret confessions as contrary to the institution and command of Christ, and a mere human invention, is to be accursed.
  6. Scripture teaches us, again, that God only can forgive sins, and that the minister’s duty is simply to announce His forgiveness. “Repentance and remission of sins” was to be preached in His name among all nations. “God was in Christ, reconciling the world unto himself, not imputing their trespasses unto them; and hath committed unto us the word of reconciliation.” He commanded us to preach to the people, that “through his name whosoever believeth in him shall receive remission of sins.” The Council of Trent asserts, on the contrary, whosoever shall affirm that the priest’s absolution is not a judicial act, but only a ministry to declare that the sins of the penitent are forgiven, or that the confession of the penitent is not necessary in order to obtain absolution from the priest, let him be accursed.
 
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myfavoritmartin:
QUITE ASTUTE, WAS THAT A GOOGLE SEARCH OR ARE YOU FAMILIAR WITH GUINESS, INCIDENTLY THE CORRECT LECTURER BUT NOT THE CORRECT SIGHT.
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You edited out Romanism but not Popery. Was that an oversight or intentional?
 
I’m curious as to why you removed this section as well:

but Romanism forbids the general reading of Scripture, asserting that such a use of the word of God in the vulgar tongue causes more harm than good, and that it must never be practiced except by special permission in writing obtained from a priest. **If any presume to read it without that, they are not to receive absolution. Booksellers who sell the Bible to any desiring to obtain it are to have penalties inflicted upon them, and no one is to purchase a Bible without special license from their superior. This is extended to receiving a gift of the Bible. **
 
The simple reason I removed that statement is that apologist have studied scriptures, but the Catholic church as a whole does not. Have you ever noticed how at a Catholic mass they will state as it says in the book of ____ but they rarely quote the specific verses.,
out of respect for the .005 percent of catholics that can actually quote scripture I felt it was better left unsaid
 
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myfavoritmartin:
QUITE ASTUTE, WAS THAT A GOOGLE SEARCH OR ARE YOU FAMILIAR WITH GUINESS
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H. Grattan Guiness is a well known historicist and anti-Catholic. He was born in 1835 and died in 1910. Here are excerpts of other things written by this man:

“The harlot is the Church of Rome; for simple minds there seems no escape from this conclusion”.

“As soon as the Church of Rome began to put forth her unscriptural claims, and to teach authoritatively her unscriptural doctrines, so soon did the faithful begin to recognise her, as the predicted Babylon of the Apocalypse”.

“How completely the human mother has taken the place of her Divine Son, in the minds of Roman Catholics”.

The historicist method is what led reformers throughout Europe to declare that the pope was the man of sin sitting on the seven hills of Rome. Examples of famous Christians and sects declaring the pope to be the antichrist include the Waldensians, Albigenses, Lollards, Lutherans, Calvinists, and Hussians.
 
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myfavoritmartin:
The simple reason I removed that statement is that apologist have studied scriptures, but the Catholic church as a whole does not. Have you ever noticed how at a Catholic mass they will state as it says in the book of ____ but they rarely quote the specific verses.,
out of respect for the .005 percent of catholics that can actually quote scripture I felt it was better left unsaid
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Oh, but popery is okay. Shame on you for citing such bigotry.
 
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Mickey:
Examples of famous Christians and sects declaring the pope to be the antichrist include the Waldensians, Albigenses, Lollards, Lutherans, Calvinists, and Hussians.
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The real question is what do you think?
 
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myfavoritmartin:
The simple reason I removed that statement is that apologist have studied scriptures, but the Catholic church as a whole does not. Have you ever noticed how at a Catholic mass they will state as it says in the book of ____ but they rarely quote the specific verses.,
out of respect for the .005 percent of catholics that can actually quote scripture I felt it was better left unsaid
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I think you should have realized by that inaccurate statement that the entire article is bogus.
 
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Eden:
I think you should have realized by that inaccurate statement that the entire article is bogus.
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What is it that is inaccurate about this, even my 13 year old son has noticed that they never quote specific scripture, rather books in general.
 
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myfavoritmartin:
The simple reason I removed that statement is that apologist have studied scriptures, but the Catholic church as a whole does not. Have you ever noticed how at a Catholic mass they will state as it says in the book of ____ but they rarely quote the specific verses.,
out of respect for the .005 percent of catholics that can actually quote scripture I felt it was better left unsaid
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Obviously you know nothing of Catholicism. The Scriptures are read 3 times during the Mass with the rest of the Liturgy absolutely infested with other Scriptures. Did you know that if you simply attend daily Mass for 3 years straight that you will have heard the entire Bible read? Oh, and lastly, not that you will be very fond of this, but the Church grants an indulgence for a prayerful reading of the Bible. 😃
 
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myfavoritmartin:
What is it that is inaccurate about this, even my 13 year old son has noticed that they never quote specific scripture, rather books in general.
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Did you notice that the ones who wrote down the Word of God in Scripture didn’t divide their writings into chapters and verses? That is not the way God designed it. The numbers, punctuation, capitalizations and chapters were all added centuries later. So, why should I be concerned about this benign issue?

Please tell your son that if he goes to Mass daily for three years, he will hear the entire Bible read at Church. There is nothing sinister going on. (Edited to say oops… JSmitty beat me to it!)
 
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myfavoritmartin:
What is it that is inaccurate about this, even my 13 year old son has noticed that they never quote specific scripture, rather books in general.
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At every Roman Catholic mass, there are two Epistle readings and One Gospel reading followed by a homily–not to mention that the Liturgy itself is completely Scriptural. What on earth are you talking about?
 
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Mickey:
The blessed Virgin Mary is our mother–and yours too!
Ask her to pray for you. 🙂
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God is described as a Father, King, etc so that we my better know and understand Him and His ways. Yet, when Jesus says “King”, you look for a queen. When He says “Father”, you go look for a mother.
He’s been preaching about the Kingdom of Heaven and how to get there!
You sound like Israel in the Book of Kings when they wanted ANYBODY to reign over them, even a murderer.

Jeremiah 7

2 “Stand in the gate of the LORD’s house, and proclaim there this word, and say, ‘Hear the word of the LORD, all you of Judah who enter in at these gates to worship the LORD!’”
3 Thus says the LORD of hosts, the God of Israel: “Amend your ways and your doings, and I will cause you to dwell in this place. 4 Do not trust in these lying words, saying, ‘The temple of the LORD, the temple of the LORD, the temple of the LORD are these.’
8 “Behold, you trust in lying words that cannot profit.
9 Will you steal, murder, commit adultery, swear falsely, burn incense to Baal, and walk after other gods whom you do not know,
10 and then come and stand before Me in this house which is called by My name, and say, ‘We are delivered to do all these abominations’?
11 Has this house, which is called by My name, become a den of thieves in your eyes? Behold, I, even I, have seen it,” says the LORD.
16 “Therefore do not pray for this people, nor lift up a cry or prayer for them, nor make intercession to Me; for I will not hear you.
17 Do you not see what they do in the cities of Judah and in the streets of Jerusalem?
18 The children gather wood, the fathers kindle the fire, and the women knead dough, to make cakes for the queen of heaven; and they pour out drink offerings to other gods, that they may provoke Me to anger.
19 Do they provoke Me to anger?” says the LORD. “Do they not provoke themselves, to the shame of their own faces?”

I know that you will just twist it around and try to put it back in my face. I’d rather go with the words of Jesus and the example that the apostles did by listening to Him when He said “Rather (instead of that), blessed are those who hear the Word of God and obey it.”
Just as blessed are you if the Lord should call you into missions then Mary was when she said “yes”.
 
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myfavoritmartin:
The simple reason I removed that statement is that apologist have studied scriptures, but the Catholic church as a whole does not. Have you ever noticed how at a Catholic mass they will state as it says in the book of ____ but they rarely quote the specific verses.,
out of respect for the .005 percent of catholics that can actually quote scripture I felt it was better left unsaid
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I forgot something else. There are 31 pages in the back of the Catechism showing all of the citations used therein that are taken from Scripture!
 
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