To Protestants: Why aren't you Catholic?

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Godcop:
I have questions for you my friend.

Is the Catholic Church responsible for the Bible we read today?

Do you believe that if an ALMIGHTY, All powerful, Omnipresent, Omniscient God would have wanted ‘the Gospel of Thomas’ or ‘the Gospel of Mary’, or the ‘missing letter to the Corinthians’ in the bible, He would have made sure they were in there?

Or do you ‘limit’ God so much as to say that MAN is responsible for the Bible we read today ? Basically, placing fallible man in control of GOD’s Word ???
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The answer to your first question is YES. The Catholic Church is responsible for the Bible you read today, insofar as she included the books of that Bible in the Canon of Scripture, under the guidance of the Holy Spirit, in a council of Bishops (regarded as infallible, which answers your second and third question). Your trouble is that you don’t regard the infallibility that the Holy Spirit provides to Holy Writ as possibly being extended to the bishops in counciliar decisions confirmed by popes (the successors to Saint Peter). Yet your own Bible sets forth the Savior saying to Peter (and latter in the Gospels to the other 12),“Whatsoever you shall bind upon earth shall be bound in heaven and whatsoever you loose on upon earth shall be loosed in heaven.” The Church existed before the Bible and the Bible rises out of the Church. The Bible means what the Church says it means, as she is the final arbiter and interpreter of Scripture (unless you imagine that when our Lord prayed that “they may be one, Father, even as you and I are one,” He intended the myriad of Protestant denominations that exist today, each hiving off to start their own club and carrying within it the seeds of its own future splintering. This is what you have without a single authority to finally draw the line in the sand).

So the answer to your questions, with approx. the same number of inexplicable exclamation marks, id YES!!! Did you think the Bible fell out of the sky, bound in black leather with gilt edges and a concordance?
 
Paris Blues:
And I want a honest answer too! I don’t want none of the “oh, it’s a freedom of religon!”…yada yada yada…

For Protestants who are NOT anti-Catholic and yet have nothing against the Church, why do you stay Protestant than???:confused:
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When I realized the true church of Christ is the Latin Rite Catholic church, I enrolled in RCIA and here I am today! 👍
 
Funny, GodCop, your definition of cult is the most childish vitriol on this thread. Congrats!

To answer your question: Jesus died for all of my sins, but I need to do my part, such as have faith through God’s grace and reconcile this fact with him, to keep his promise.

Now, I answered your question, so here’s one for you: Did Jesus enjoy wasting the time of his apostles? Then why did he tell them to hear the confessions of others? If Jesus died once for all of your sins, and that’s it, then A) why do you sin, and B) why did he tell his apostles to do something for no reason? That would sound more like a deceitful God’s plans for Jesus, and I don’t think you’re Muslim. Hmm… not sure with that assinine cult remark.
 
Paris Blues:
And I want a honest answer too! I don’t want none of the “oh, it’s a freedom of religon!”…yada yada yada…

For Protestants who are NOT anti-Catholic and yet have nothing against the Church, why do you stay Protestant than???:confused:
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For many reasons I cannot accept Catholicism as being inspired by God. I will mention just two objections to Catholicism. I know this is the standard answer that protestants give for rejecting the Catholic church but I will say it again. Catholicism is based on tradition and not the authority of the Bible. In the book of Galatians Paul speaks numerous times, about how faith in Jesus is the way to salvation and how the Bible is the final authority. In Chapter 1:8 Paul writes; But even if we, or an angel from heaven preach any other gospel to you than what we have preached to you, let him be cursed. Then he goes on and says in Galatians 1:11-12 But I make known to you, brethren, that the gospel that was preached by me is not according to man. For I neither received it from man, nor was I taught it, but it came through the revelation of Jesus Christ. Reading Galatians, it cannot be any clearer that salvation is by the grace of God and through faith. Salvation is a gift from God.

Nowhere in Galatians or any other part of the Bible does Paul acknowledge Peter as being the pope. In Galatians 2:11 Paul rebukes Peter for rejecting uncircumcised gentiles. Peter would eat with the Jews and then withdrawal and separate himself from the gentiles because he feared those that were uncircumcised. Not very proper behavior for a pope don’t you think? In Ephesians 4: 11 Paul writes; And He Himself gave some to be apostles, some prophets, some evangelists, and some pastors and teachers. Again, there is no mention of a pope by Paul.
 
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Alfie:
For many reasons I cannot accept Catholicism as being inspired by God. I will mention just two objections to Catholicism. I know this is the standard answer that protestants give for rejecting the Catholic church but I will say it again. Catholicism is based on tradition and not the authority of the Bible. In the book of Galatians Paul speaks numerous times, about how faith in Jesus is the way to salvation and how the Bible is the final authority. In Chapter 1:8 Paul writes; But even if we, or an angel from heaven preach any other gospel to you than what we have preached to you, let him be cursed. Then he goes on and says in Galatians 1:11-12 But I make known to you, brethren, that the gospel that was preached by me is not according to man. For I neither received it from man, nor was I taught it, but it came through the revelation of Jesus Christ. Reading Galatians, it cannot be any clearer that salvation is by the grace of God and through faith. Salvation is a gift from God.

Nowhere in Galatians or any other part of the Bible does Paul acknowledge Peter as being the pope. In Galatians 2:11 Paul rebukes Peter for rejecting uncircumcised gentiles. Peter would eat with the Jews and then withdrawal and separate himself from the gentiles because he feared those that were uncircumcised. Not very proper behavior for a pope don’t you think? In Ephesians 4: 11 Paul writes; And He Himself gave some to be apostles, some prophets, some evangelists, and some pastors and teachers. Again, there is no mention of a pope by Paul.
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ya gotta do better than that. Paul elswhere tells us to “hold fast to the Traditions that we gave you, whether through the written word or through the spoken word.”
 
Funny, if you read the first POST, it is asking protestants who believe and accept Catholic teachings the question. Obviously we know some people don’t believe Catholic teaching. This wasn’t meant to be a thread where they get out their Catholic bashing.😦
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Godcop:
Why aren’t I Catholic ?

A reading from the book of ‘Webster’ -

cult (kult) n. 1. A system of religious rites and observances: the cult of Aphrodite. 2. Zealous devotion to a person, ideal, or thing. 3. The object of this devotion. 4. The followers of a sect.

Does that sum it up ?

Richard Ramirez (the night stalker) was baptized Catholic. Where will he go when he dies ?
John Wayne Gacy was baptized Catholic. Where is he now ?
Jack the Ripper was baptized Catholic. Where is he now ?
Where is Adolph Hitler ?
Where is Pope John Paul II ?
Where is the man or woman - that your church sees as - precisely between, Hitler and the pope ?

Purgatory - you say - Answer these:
Did Jesus Christ die once for SOME of your sins ?
Did Jesus Christ die once for MOST of your sins ?
OR
Did Jesus Christ die once for ALL of your sins ?
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Paris Blues:
And I want a honest answer too! I don’t want none of the “oh, it’s a freedom of religon!”…yada yada yada…

For Protestants who are NOT anti-Catholic and yet have nothing against the Church, why do you stay Protestant than???:confused:
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Um, I guess I’m a protestant because my parents are, and I’ve always gone to a protestant church. I have nothing against the Catholic Church, but I don’t have anything against my own, either. Why should I go somewhere else if where I am is just fine? I guess what I like most about my church is that we have a contemporary service, that my friends and I go to, and they play good songs and stuff. We have fun at church, and I feel like we’re a little more laid back than some churches are. I suppose I’ve got this stereotype of Catholic churches, where they just seem very traditional, and boring, and stuffy. I like my church a little more…up-beat. You know? But to me, it’s not so much a question of “Why do I stay protestant?” as much as it’s a question of “Why SHOULDN’T I stay protestant?”
 
Paris Blues:
And I want a honest answer too! I don’t want none of the “oh, it’s a freedom of religon!”…yada yada yada…

For Protestants who are NOT anti-Catholic and yet have nothing against the Church, why do you stay Protestant than???:confused:
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This is not so hard to understand. Being not anti Buddhist doesnt make me want to join Buddhism. Protestants who may take or leave the Catholic church may not want to join because they simply enjoy their own religion. They may like the socialization within their religious community, or they love a particular preacher, or its close by and convenient. There could be a number of reasons for a non Catholic to stay non Catholic. They dont necessarily have to hate or be anti Catholic for them to remain Protestant. I suspect a vast number of Protestants are very content in their religion.
 
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St.Eric:
ya gotta do better than that. Paul elswhere tells us to “hold fast to the Traditions that we gave you, whether through the written word or through the spoken word.”
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traditions…from the time of Christ until the letter, sure, sounds good.
BH
 
I’m a 23 year old Sergeant in the U.S. Army. I am a Chaplain Assistant. Family, I’m the oldest of 7. (bio can be found on www.jakebrice.com )

My family was came to know Christ on 24 February 2002. I joined the army 5 June 2002 and since have been deployed to Kosovo, Macedonia, Greece, and Iraq. I’ve lived overseas since I enlisted and currently am stationed in Belgium.

My family has since 2002, been a very GOD Fearing and Loving baptist family. But, I had alot of bad things that happened in Iraq Feb04 to Mar05 . I was getting depressed, so depressed, but my best friend Katie helped me out. She was a medic and an EME(Extraordinary Minister of the Eucharist). Later I decided one day to attend mass. And I just really started to admire the teachings during our desert mass and I would read more and more about the Bible and the Church. My primary job down range was to protect the clergy (rabbi, priest, pastor, …)alike. I asked the priest more and more questions about the faith. so… FFWD to now. I’m currently in RCIA and I have more questions then I did before. I’m at a huge rift with the rest of my family. and I’m alone in Belgium, trying to figure out what right is… it feels like I’ve been called to the path I’m on, but I have big problems still.
  1. As a Protestant I was taught that the word is infallible, and that is the main brick we should have as our base. But, I read the Catholic bible and there are more books. WHAT IS GOING ON???
  2. This sola scriptura thing, (I think that’s what it’s called) or whatever makes me feel a divide in believes like Purgatory, or St.Veronica. How can those be if the bible doesn’t mention them. Is there an answer???
  3. I told you that my job was a Chaplain Assistant, Well, when I was 6 years old to 7 years old I was molested by my mom’s boyfriend. well, I was stationed in germany and was trying to stay there to be the assistant for a priest and good friend of mine, so I thought. well Here is where he is now…
estripes.com/article.asp?section=104&article=31884&archive=true

Why isn’t there like a major crackdown on this within the Catholic Church. If its the whole Celebacy thing that’s making them do it, why not change it.

feel free to email me with any of the answers to these questions, comments, concerns.

Bottom line, no matter what I love HIM and HIS SON.

Thanks and sorry so long. www.jakebrice.com

Jake Brice
Sergeant
U.S. Army
 
Paris,
My Grandmother was not allowed to become a Catholic so she found a church that was like the Catholic Church, but with German roots, today she is Lutheran. Her faith falls in line mostly with the Catholic Church but there are some things she does not believe because she does not understand the teachings.
 
<<1. As a Protestant I was taught that the word is infallible, and that is the main brick we should have as our base. But, I read the Catholic bible and there are more books. WHAT IS GOING ON??? >>

At the time of the Reformation, Martin Luther excluded those books that are still in the Catholic Bible today.
 
Paris Blues said:
Yes, basically.
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All I’m asking is why do non-Catholics stay in their denomination even after they hear the real Truthes about the CC?
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Hi All
The reason that I’m not a Roman Catholic is that there are not alot of real truths in the church.
In Him and Only Him
 
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NonDenom:
Hi All
The reason that I’m not a Roman Catholic is that there are not alot of real truths in the church.
In Him and Only Him
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Hi NonDenom,

Could you please talk more about why you ONLY need Him and nothing else? Please, if you can, prove what truths are not real truths in the CC, that is according to you, thanks.🙂
 
I went to Catholic schools as a child and through their CCD classes.

I’m embarrassed to admit it now, but about five years ago, I seriously considered converting to Roman Catholicism.

After I stepped back to consider my reasons for wanting to do so, I realized it was out of a sense of nostalgia for warm memories from my childhood (fortunately, I managed to get through Catholic school without being molested by any of the priests) and not out of any conviction on my part.

Now, having been able to look at Roman Catholic teachings in an objective manner and being able to engage Roman Catholics on another message board about Roman Catholic teachings, all I can say is,“THANK GOD I managed to avoid that snare!”

As long as Roman Catholics continue to hold to such Unbiblical teachings as praying to statues of dead people, sacraments required for salvation, the word of the pope over the word of God, the veneration of Mary, the idea of Mary as co-redemptrix and mediatrix, and various other things, I cannot in good conscience be a part of that organization.
 
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12volt_man:
Now, having been able to look at Roman Catholic teachings in an objective manner and being able to engage Roman Catholics on another message board about Roman Catholic teachings, all I can say is,“THANK GOD I managed to avoid that snare!”

As long as Roman Catholics continue to hold to such Unbiblical teachings as praying to statues of dead people, sacraments required for salvation, the word of the pope over the word of God, the veneration of Mary, the idea of Mary as co-redemptrix and mediatrix, and various other things, I cannot in good conscience be a part of that organization.
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I’m not sure what board you’ve been on, but your last paragraph shows your true ignorance of the Catholic faith…and yes, despite going thru CCD.

Why don’t you take your objectivity and really look into what the Church teaches - meaning, read the tracks here on Catholic.com. Being that you’re new here, I don’t think you’ve really done that…so take some time out…read for yourself, then come back to us for some serious discussion.

Peace.
 
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Tonks40:
I’m not sure what board you’ve been on, but your last paragraph shows your true ignorance of the Catholic faith…and yes, despite going thru CCD.
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Sadly, Roman Catholicism does teach these things.
 
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12volt_man:
Sadly, Roman Catholicism does teach these things.
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Sadly, it is the misrepresentation of such teachings that you believe. Why don’t you take your objections, one at a time, to a section where they can be discussed and explained.
 
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