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Huguenot
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It doesn’t mean they can’t be wrong from time to time …
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St.Eric
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Once in a while…perhaps…but on a regular basis…no.
By the way- can you give a phonetic spelling of Huguenot for English speakers? I am curious how to pronounce it.
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kujo313
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I know why. In the temple that I attend (the “church” is the people IN the temple), we can lift up our hands and should praises onto our God without somebody saying “Shhhhh!”
I always believed that in His presence is FULLNESS OF JOY. A Mass is similiar to a monotone voice.
Sure, what is repeated every Mass (over and over) is good to know, but it needs to be encouraged to be LIVED every day, not just spoken.
I was a member of the Knights of Columbus. Running Bingo games and being a bartender for people who rented the halls for parties.
Absolutely NOWHERE in the Catholic Church nor the Knights of Columbus was we encouraged to go out and preach the Gospel to every living creature.
There was no joy to speak boldly about Jesus and those Christians outside the Catholic Church was called Jesus Freaks. “Look at them! Jumping up and down with their hands in the air.”
If the prayer at the dinner table wasn’t something that we memorized from a prayer book, it didn’t count.
It was outside the Catholic Church that I first got filled with the Holy Spirit. No pretty ceremonies. No dressing up.
I was told that what was happening to me was addressed in Acts Chapter 2. Funny, I never HEARD from there in the Catholic Church. Instead, I was told that the same gift of “tongues” that was taught by Paul was demonic and was a sign of being posessed by the Devil.
Why?
If somebody in the congregation speaks loudly in an unknown tongue, then they BETTER have an interpretation or it’s a sin. However, if they are by themselves, praying in an unknown tongue, then it’s between them and God and not for you. It would not be a sin according to the Holy Spirit speaking through Paul.
In some temples, there is a Pentecostal experience.
I was also disappointed when a Catholic school closed down and the insides was being sold to the public. I went there and found a “Bible” that was said to be read FROM the pulpit during Mass.
Was it a KJV? No. Was it an NIV? No. Amplified? No. Catholic version? No again.
It was a MISSELLETTE! (spelling?)
In the middle of the book, I could read what the first, second and gospel reading were going to be in June of that year! Near the back, I could read the readings for Christmas Eve and Christmas Day.
What a disappointment! Not even reading from the Bible! Straight from something pre-planned and not letting the Holy Spirit run the service! (oops, Mass)
There was other “disappointments”. My mother used to wear a scapular. The instructions quoted Mary as saying “Wear this and you will escape Hellfire.”
Woa! WHERE is that in ANY Bible??
Also, devotions and prayers to Saint “so and so” for this and that. I remember a prayer my mother taught me when I could not find something:
“Saint Anthony, Saint Anthony, look around. Something’s lost and can’t be found.” When I eventually found it (while reciting that “prayer” over and over) I would thank Saint Anthony for helping me find it.
What’s wrong with going to God Himself? God is alive. “Saint” Anthony died.
Going to any dead saint is not what Jesus taught in His Gospels.
I’m not going to drive way out of my way to see a box that has the bones of some girl who did something in her life. That’s idiolatry.
But I WILL drive out of my way to do something for somebody: deliver food to the needy, pick up those who’s car broke down, volunteer at a warming center, etc.
I never understood why a man behind a curtain would want to hear my sins and then tell me to “pray” three “hail mary’s”. Couldn’t he, himself, pray something? “Father in Heaven. Forgive this humble servent of all of his sins and send your Spirit to guide him in his steps. Encourage him to hide Your Word in his heart so he may not sin against you. I pray this in Jesus’ Name. Amen”
I know that that would be more effective than any amount of “Hail Mary’s”.
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St.Eric
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Kujo,
We have all heard this before 100’s of times here from “ex-Catholics.” Rather than responding to your accusations and questions, go look around the forums. All of these have been addressed 100’s of times. If you were a RC, you were poorly cathecised and really don’t know the faith.
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Huguenot
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Well, some Catholics are quite regular at my church …more than I in theirs …Once in a while…perhaps…but on a regular basis…no.
By the way- can you give a phonetic spelling of Huguenot for English speakers? I am curious how to pronounce it.
I don’t know how the word “Huguenot” is supposed to be pronounced in English, in French there is a vowel that doesn’t exist in English : the “u”, it is pronounced like the German ü if you know what I mean, I can’t find another way of explaining it …
so it would sound like "üg’no ( the “ue” is not pronounced, and the “o” would be pronounced differently too ; and the final “t” is not pronounced … )
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kujo313
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Yes, maybe I was poorly cathecised. I’ve prayed for understanding and I believe I got it.Kujo,
We have all heard this before 100’s of times here from “ex-Catholics.” Rather than responding to your accusations and questions, go look around the forums. All of these have been addressed 100’s of times. If you were a RC, you were poorly cathecised and really don’t know the faith.
First of all, I cannot accept Mary as my “Holy Mother” for it is not followed by Jesus and the early church. I see her as a sign of the coming Messiah as prophesized by the Old Testament prophets. If I was to, then I’d have to accept the Holy Tomb, where He was laid; the Holy Rooms, where he taught; the Holy Donkey, which He rode into Jerusalem.
No. If Jesus wanted ME to accept Mary as my “mother”, then His words, actions, and actions of the letters from Paul, Peter, James and John would’ve leaned in that direction.
In the same way, I could start selling donkey medals which could have a prayer on the back. “Oh Holy Donkey! Carry us into the Holy City just as you carried our Savior!”
Rediculous as it sounds, it is the same kind of “exit ramp” that looking at any other Biblical character takes us.
Hold fast what our God said in Exodus 4: 4-5
4 “You shall not make for yourself a carved image—any likeness of anything that is in heaven above, or that is in the earth beneath, or that is in the water under the earth; 5 you shall not bow down to them nor serve them. For I, the LORD your God, am a jealous God."
Enough said. Catholics are known for statues. Statues can also be “banners”, as the banner of the United States is the Stars and Stripes.
God does not want us to bow down to or serve statues or the person they resemble. The only thing we should remember is that we are reconciled WITH God THROUGH Jesus; what He is and what He did for us.
Why do you need to go outside that? You don’t have to.
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Eden
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In English it is pronounced HEW-ge-not.
Thanks Doreen. I pray that you will find the answers you are looking for. I get emotional defending my faith, too. I apologize to you. I understand.
Kujo: I still do know why you will not start you own threads. You have so many topics here and they all can be answered. So, I realized that maybe you do not know how to start a thread. I’ll help you. Choose the appropriate forum for the topic, click on “start new thread” and procede. I look forward to answering all of these topics you started here.
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AquinasXVI
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“Woman behold your son. Son behold your mother.”
Secondly, research the early church (circa 3rd Century) for THEOTOKOS and the history behind that word.
Thanks.
in XT.
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Mickey
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This is one of the most uncharitable posts I’ve read in a while. In a single post you managed to insult about one billion Catholics regarding:
The Mass
The knights of Columbus
Epistle and Gospel readings at Mass
Catholic Evangelization
Vestments and Tradition
non-acceptance of tongues
scapulars
relics
veneration of saints
the Blessed Virgin Mary
confession
the “Hail Mary” prayer
and much more…
If you question something, search this forum and educate yourself. If you still have questions, start a thread on one specific topic at a time. What you did here was shameful.
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ABalch
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Kujo,
By your depiction of the rite of reconcilliation, I can only infer that you have never been to it, and are instead taking the description of others who have never participated in it either. The rite of reconcilliation (what you might call confession), is not as you describe it, some priest behind a screen hearing your confession and off-handedly giving you a couple Hail Marys and kicking you out. The priest does, in fact pray for each and every person who comes into that confessional, right at the end, right before the absolution. The penitent also will say an act of contrition, there own words or a prayer of contrition that they may have memorized, if they are more comfortable that way. I, personally, have yet to recieve from a priest a quantity of Hail Marys that I must pray. Instead, usually I receive instruction such as “when you leave the confessional, spend some time in front of the Tabernacle, praying for all that you have hurt through your sins, and for the strength to resist those things that lead you toward sin.” The penance given to someone in the confessional isn’t a simple formula of a set number of a memorized prayer, with nothing else. It is a means to focus the penitent on the Lord, and on the graces we are given to resist temptations.
It is solely in the heart of the penitent, though, how they treat that penance. A literalist could leave the confessional, in my example above, and walk out, kneel in front of the Tabernacle, and simply say, “God, forgive me for hurting others through my sins, Amen”, or they might choose to pray long and hard, remembering all the exact instances of who and how they injured other people through their sins, and pray deeply about all that they have done, and their intentions to change their ways. Hopefully, this is how most people treat their penance; as a heartfelt sorrow over sinning against God, and not a literalist, rote recitation of a prayer. I am not here to judge how others treat their penance, though.
May God; The Father, The Son, and The Holy Spirit; bless you and keep you from all sorrows.
ABalch
By your depiction of the rite of reconcilliation, I can only infer that you have never been to it, and are instead taking the description of others who have never participated in it either. The rite of reconcilliation (what you might call confession), is not as you describe it, some priest behind a screen hearing your confession and off-handedly giving you a couple Hail Marys and kicking you out. The priest does, in fact pray for each and every person who comes into that confessional, right at the end, right before the absolution. The penitent also will say an act of contrition, there own words or a prayer of contrition that they may have memorized, if they are more comfortable that way. I, personally, have yet to recieve from a priest a quantity of Hail Marys that I must pray. Instead, usually I receive instruction such as “when you leave the confessional, spend some time in front of the Tabernacle, praying for all that you have hurt through your sins, and for the strength to resist those things that lead you toward sin.” The penance given to someone in the confessional isn’t a simple formula of a set number of a memorized prayer, with nothing else. It is a means to focus the penitent on the Lord, and on the graces we are given to resist temptations.
It is solely in the heart of the penitent, though, how they treat that penance. A literalist could leave the confessional, in my example above, and walk out, kneel in front of the Tabernacle, and simply say, “God, forgive me for hurting others through my sins, Amen”, or they might choose to pray long and hard, remembering all the exact instances of who and how they injured other people through their sins, and pray deeply about all that they have done, and their intentions to change their ways. Hopefully, this is how most people treat their penance; as a heartfelt sorrow over sinning against God, and not a literalist, rote recitation of a prayer. I am not here to judge how others treat their penance, though.
May God; The Father, The Son, and The Holy Spirit; bless you and keep you from all sorrows.
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Thanks for the English pronunciation of the word “Huguenot” …In English it is pronounced HEW-ge-not.
Thanks Doreen. I pray that you will find the answers you are looking for. I get emotional defending my faith, too. I apologize to you. I understand.
Kujo: I still do know why you will not start you own threads. You have so many topics here and they all can be answered. So, I realized that maybe you do not know how to start a thread. I’ll help you. Choose the appropriate forum for the topic, click on “start new thread” and procede. I look forward to answering all of these topics you started here.
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St.Eric
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I will ignore the rest of your quote since it was ridiculous in the extreme. As for the quote above- I am sure glad the Catholic church also teaches we are not to bow to and worhsip idols! I take it you have no family photographs, pictures, paintings of landscapes, etc. etc. in your home since these things would be made by human hands and represent things in the earth.
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Doreen
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Agreed! I’ve said as much…there are protestants that give other protestants a bad wrap because they aren’t exemplary believers who actually live out the Christian life.
I am learning to have a less harsh attitude toward the Catholic church because you have pointed out to me that what I have experienced isn’t necessarily the “norm” for Catholicism.
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Doreen
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This is just the kind of thinking that shocks me. Where is the brotherly love in this? Should we not go where we are fed?
I’ll refrain from saying more on this…I feel my emotions stirring again.
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kujo313
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AquinasXVI said:
EXACTLY my point! THIRD CENTURY! You can’t even believe that nobody had a clue after Jesus said this. He spoke plainly after His resurrection. It is written that He showed His disciples everything that applied to Him as the Messiah.
CLEARLY and without a doubt He would’ve mentioned Mary and her “role” IF it was true and of utmost importance.
But there was silence.
Why? Because It was not what we need to focus on.
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Eden
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No one said that we need to focus on Mary. The focus of the Church is on Jesus Christ. You are the one who insists the Church focus is on Our Lady. The fact that she is venerated is a tradition from apostolic times.
In the first centuries, the apostles and their disciples were spreading the message of Christ. While the knowledge of Mary’s special role was always there, there was not a concerted effort to write this down until Christianity had become established and the traditions concerning Mary could receive attention.
Here you see, just as today, that the main message of the Church is that Jesus Christ is the Son of God, he was crucified and was Resurrected. He is the Savior. That is and should be the focus.
But the veneration of the Virgin Mary is not a corruption introduced in later times. The earliest picture dates from the beginning of the second century - within the first fifty years after the death of St. John. So, the veneration of Mary was already flourishing.
In the early writings, St. Irenaeus (a student of St. John’s disciple St. Polycarp) calls Mary “our most eminent advocate”.
“St. Ignatius of Antioch, part of whose life reached back into apostolic times, wrote to the Ephesians (c. 18-19) in such a way as to connect the mysteries of Our Lord’s life more closely with those of the Virgin Mary. For instance, the virginity of Mary, and her childbirth, are enumerated with Christ’s death, as forming three mysteries unknown to the devil.”
“The sub-apostolic author of the Epistle to Diognetus, writing to a pagan inquirer concerning the Christian mysteries, describes Mary as the great antithesis of Eve.”
The idea of Our Lady occurs repeatedly in other writers even before the Council of Ephesus. St. Justin Martyr and Tertullian wrote about the Virgin Mary before the end of the second century.
— From a New Advent article on the Virgin Mary
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St.Eric
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Where was the malice in my post? There was none. It was an honest question. Why would a devout Catholic regularly attend protestant services? As I have said, once in a while, for education or what have you I could see. But regularly? I myself can’t see what the reason would be. I can’t say that I know too many Baptist or Four Square members who attend Mass on a regular basis. And If they are, then it is usually because they are on the verge of converting. Yes go where you are fed. the issue was a devout Catholic going to a protestant church. If one is a devout Catholic, they would be getting fed in the Catholic church. Please, don’t let your emotions get the best of you. The question/statement is an honest one- not meant to inflame.This is just the kind of thinking that shocks me. Where is the brotherly love in this? Should we not go where we are fed?
I’ll refrain from saying more on this…I feel my emotions stirring again.
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St.Eric
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Like I said before. Very LITTLE of what Jesus did, said, and taught was recorded in the bible. And, a belief does not have to be officially defined when everyone takes it for granted as being true. Only when suffcient numbers of people call the belief into question does it need to be offically defined. I have said this once before and it was ignored.
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kujo313
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You’ve proven my point. Paul wrote to Galatians:
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I am astonished that you are so quickly deserting the one who called you by the grace of Christ and are turning to a different gospel.
As early as Paul’s day, the people was veering off the True Gospel. He continues in verse 8:
“But even if we or an angel from heaven should preach a gospel other than the one we preached to you, let him be eternally condemned! As we have already said, so now I say again: If anybody is preaching to you a gospel other than what you accepted, let him be eternally condemned!”
10 Am I now trying to win the approval of men, or of God?
11 I want you to know, brothers, that the gospel I preached is not something that man made up.
12 I did not receive it from any man, nor was I taught it; rather, I received it by revelation from Jesus Christ.
You now might say that whatever was given to whoever after the death of the apostles was received by revelation from Jesus Christ. But anything other than lifting up Jesus is contrary to the teachings and traditions started by Jesus and HIs disciples.
18 Then after three years, I went up to Jerusalem to get acquainted with Peter and stayed with him fifteen days.
19 I saw none of the other apostles—only James, the Lord’s brother.
Did Peter keep secrets from Paul? I don’t think so. There had to have been confirmation of the Word that Paul received.
Sorry, I would rather go with the words of Jesus and the disciples that He, Himself, taught directly, and of Paul.
Anything of the 2nd centuries and later veered off of the focus.
I post on here because I have been questioned “Why aren’t I Catholic?” I will open my own thread. I will call it “Ask the Protestant.” You can ask questions there.
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Eden
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That sounds completely uninteresting. You came here to question our teachings with your focus mainly on Mary which we have tried to address. Why in the world do you assume Catholics would be interested a thread called “Ask the Protestant”?
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