To Protestants: Why aren't you Catholic?

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<<“He who loves father or mother more than Me is not worthy of Me. And he who loves son or daughter more than Me is not worthy of Me.”>>

Catholics don’t love Mary more than Jesus, we love her because of what He did for her, and we honor her special place in the Body of Christ.

Mary is the humble maiden, no one knows more than her that she is NOTHING without the Lord.

She is like a clear pane of glass that allows the glory of the Holy Trinity to shine through. She glorifies the Holy Trinity and always points to her Son.
 
Dorothy said:
<<“He who loves father or mother more than Me is not worthy of Me. And he who loves son or daughter more than Me is not worthy of Me.”>>

Catholics don’t love Mary more than Jesus, we love her because of what He did for her, and we honor her special place in the Body of Christ.

Mary is the humble maiden, no one knows more than her that she is NOTHING without the Lord.

She is like a clear pane of glass that allows the glory of the Holy Trinity to shine through. She glorifies the Holy Trinity and always points to her Son.
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All of the people who are living, and have lived, are NOTHING without the Lord. Sure, put Mary up in the Hall of Fame somewhere. But you don’t have to go to her just to have her point you to Jesus. You can just bypass the Hall of Fame and go directly to Jesus!
If you ARE a disciple of Mary, why do you need Mary to tell you what to do? Jesus is above ALL. I don’t need ANYBODY to tell me that.
The RCC as a whole can do that.
Mary is NOT “Queen of Heaven” or “Queen of the Universe”. She’s a member of the “Hall of Fame” with many, many others who lived, and died, for the Lord.
Mary CAN, in the H of F, have a special place called “The Road to the Messiah”.

Excuse me, while you are marveling at the road, I’m just gonna walk past the whole Hall of Fame and go directly to the Throne. Jesus already paid for me.
 
Gottle of Geer said:
## That puts the kibosh on the Apostles then - why should we listen to their experience: their experience of the Risen Christ?
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That is insulting!
Gottle of Geer:
We have only their word for it they were not hallucinating.
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It’s called obedience.
Gottle of Geer:
That is why experience is so important. Otherwise, Jesus is just some guy who went around doing good 2000 years ago, and not a Living, known, saving, experienced Friend and Lord. Otherwise, he is just some guy we have to kow-tow to for no very obvious reason except Tradition.
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We experience Christ in the sacraments. We experience Christ in the Liturgy. We experience Christ in our prayer etc, etc, etc. I am at a loss to figure out what you are talking about. :confused:
Gottle of Geer:
I’m with Doreen on this - experience, subjectivity, are simply not able to be cut out of Christianity and Christian living. They are so far from being unimportant, that they are absolutely vital to it. ##
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If you were in prayer and thought that the Lord told you that Catholicism had fallen into apostacy and was now a heresy, would you believe it? If you were told to murder someone or commit suicide for the Kingdom of God, would you do it? I think not. I am not against subjective experiences, I am **for **discernment.
 
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kujo313:
All of the people who are living, and have lived, are NOTHING without the Lord. Sure, put Mary up in the Hall of Fame somewhere. But you don’t have to go to her just to have her point you to Jesus. You can just bypass the Hall of Fame and go directly to Jesus!
If you ARE a disciple of Mary, why do you need Mary to tell you what to do? Jesus is above ALL. I don’t need ANYBODY to tell me that.
The RCC as a whole can do that.
Mary is NOT “Queen of Heaven” or “Queen of the Universe”. She’s a member of the “Hall of Fame” with many, many others who lived, and died, for the Lord.
Mary CAN, in the H of F, have a special place called “The Road to the Messiah”.

Excuse me, while you are marveling at the road, I’m just gonna walk past the whole Hall of Fame and go directly to the Throne. Jesus already paid for me.
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You’re assuming that as Catholics, we don’t recognize the fact that our salvation is through Christ, and that, in a sense, is condesending.
 
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Tonks40:
You’re assuming that as Catholics, we don’t recognize the fact that our salvation is through Christ, and that, in a sense, is condesending.
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I disagree. Your salvation IS through Christ… and maybe through others on the way.
 
Gottle of Geer:
Why should Doreen listen to their experience, or to that of Catholics, if experience is so contemptible?
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Hmmm? I don’t recall saying that experience was contemptable. Please don’t put words in my mouth. I will again point to discernment. Furthermore, are you asking me why I would listen to the words of the martyrs and saints who dedicated and sacrificed their lives to Christ’s Church–many who learned from the apostles themselves----instead of Doreen? (no offence to you Doreen, Mr Geer is just trying to be cute)
Gottle of Geer:
The case against what she says is completely illogical.
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I beg to differ. It is you who seem to have faulty logic.
Gottle of Geer:
It boils down to this: Catholic experience of being helped what the Saints say, is valid - Protestant experience of being helped by the grace of Christ, has no validity.
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I will politely request once again that you do not put words in my mouth.
Gottle of Geer:
This is to split Christ in two, because the grace of Christ in His Saints in the past, is the very same grace as the grace He gives to his saints in the present - for all Christians are saints in some way or other, if onlty because they are called to holiness in Christ. He cannot be divided against Himself. ##
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Agreed. With proper discernment, we can know when Christ is speaking to our heart. His grace is the same–past, present, and future. However we must remain watchful. Satan can appear as an angel of light.

**Your enemy, the evil one, the father of lies, does not slumber; and endeavors, by every means open to him, to harden your heart — to make it false and crafty, to drive out from it faith and hope in God - together with love for Him and love and sympathy for your neighbor - and to occupy you with worldly, temporal interests. Watch yourself, watch the thoughts of your heart, and do not bind yourself in the chains of worldly desires and pleasures. Let your happiness be in the one God and the human soul. **
St. John of Kronstadt
 
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Mickey:
Hmmm? I don’t recall saying that experience was contemptable. Please don’t put words in my mouth. I will again point to discernment. Furthermore, are you asking me why I would listen to the words of the martyrs and saints who dedicated and sacrificed their lives to Christ’s Church–many who learned from the apostles themselves----instead of Doreen? (no offence to you Doreen, Mr Geer is just trying to be cute)

I beg to differ. It is you who seem to have faulty logic.

I will politely request once again that you do not put words in my mouth.

Agreed. With proper discernment, we can know when Christ is speaking to our heart. His grace is the same–past, present, and future. However we must remain watchful. Satan can appear as an angel of light.

**Your enemy, the evil one, the father of lies, does not slumber; and endeavors, by every means open to him, to harden your heart — to make it false and crafty, to drive out from it faith and hope in God - together with love for Him and love and sympathy for your neighbor - and to occupy you with worldly, temporal interests. Watch yourself, watch the thoughts of your heart, and do not bind yourself in the chains of worldly desires and pleasures. Let your happiness be in the one God and the human soul. **
St. John of Kronstadt
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Our enemy, Satan, has appeared as a serpent and as an angel of light. He can take on all forms… including the form of Mary. He is cruel and heartless.
 
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kujo313:
Our enemy, Satan, has appeared as a serpent and as an angel of light. He can take on all forms… including the form of Mary. He is cruel and heartless.
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He can also harden the hearts of men so that they reject and ridicule the beautiful Apostolic Traditions of Our Lady, The Blessed Virgin Mary, and the Mother of God.
 
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Mickey:
Read this. It will explain things for you.
catholic.com/thisrock/1998/9812fea2.asp
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Isaiah 55
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   8 “ For My thoughts are not your thoughts, 
  Nor are your ways My ways,” says the LORD. 
   9 “ For as the heavens are higher than the earth, 
  So are My ways higher than your ways, 
  And My thoughts than your thoughts.
John 18:36

“My kingdom is not of this world."

You cannot place human standards, rules or traditions on the Kingdom of Heaven. You cannot assume that there is a queenship in Heaven just because there is one on earth.
 
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Mickey:
He can also harden the hearts of men so that they reject and ridicule the beautiful Apostolic Traditions of Our Lady, The Blessed Virgin Mary, and the Mother of God.
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Where does it say that we should follow the “Apostolic Traditions” of Mary and nobody else? Read up on it. Mary’s “tradition” was to back away from the focus of the Church. The “focus” should be Jesus. The Author and Finisher of our faith. THE Cornerstone.
 
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kujo313:
You cannot place human standards, rules or traditions on the Kingdom of Heaven. You cannot assume that there is a queenship in Heaven just because there is one on earth.
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Christ was fully human and fully divine. 😉
 
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kujo313:
Our enemy, Satan, has appeared as a serpent and as an angel of light. He can take on all forms… including the form of Mary. He is cruel and heartless.
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Once again, your lack of research and closemindedness is showing.

1)The Catholic Church does not state that Catholics are required to approve, believe in, or embrace any apparitions of the Blessed Mother. What they have said is that there are certain instances in which embracing these apparations aren’t dangerous to your spiritual health. (Fatima, Lourdes, Guadaloupe)
  1. There have been thousands, dare I say even tens of thousands of people that have seen these three apparations. Whether you agree or not, these people have seen and experienced something.
  2. Please note for me the last time that Satan appeared as an “angel of light” to someone and instructed them to pray for repentance of their sins and pray for the salvation of souls and build churches for Christ…I know that this is truly what he eventually wants all of us to do …right???
 
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kujo313:
Where does it say that we should follow the “Apostolic Traditions” of Mary and nobody else? Read up on it. Mary’s “tradition” was to back away from the focus of the Church. The “focus” should be Jesus. The Author and Finisher of our faith. THE Cornerstone.
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Apostolic Traditions of Mary…Where did you pull that out of??

And nobody else??? You have not even listened to anything that anyone else has told you on this post. You are so focused on what you believe is correct, you are not reading or listening. Jerome, Irenaeus, John of Chrysotom, Augustine, Athanasus, Clement…Shall I go on…

The Catholic Church (once again ) sits on three legs. (Sacred Tradition, Sacred Traditions, and the Magisterium.) These three functions are a balance and check for all the teacings of the Church. ** There is no “Apostolic Traditions of Mary” **

Yes, Christ is the Chief Cornerstone of our faith, and nobody anywhere on this post has said anything otherwise.
 
I know this is a hot topic, and that people believe strongly. But I want to remind you that the topic is directed for Protestants. “Why aren’t you Catholic?”

I think that if non-Catholic Christians post their reasons why they are not Catholic- and it includes impressions or ideas of the Catholic Faith that are in error- gentle, simple correction is fine. But for lengthy debates on these topics- please start new threads in the appropriate forum.

Thanks for your participation, and cooperation in this matter!

Rachel
 
Rachel Malloy:
I know this is a hot topic, and that people believe strongly. But I want to remind you that the topic is directed for Protestants. “Why aren’t you Catholic?”

I think that if non-Catholic Christians post their reasons why they are not Catholic- and it includes impressions or ideas of the Catholic Faith that are in error- gentle, simple correction is fine. But for lengthy debates on these topics- please start new threads in the appropriate forum.

Thanks for your participation, and cooperation in this matter!

Rachel
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I’m sorry, Rachel. I did. It’s called “Ask the Protestant”, a spinoff of “Protestants: why aren’t you Catholic?” That way, we can keep it to one area.
 
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