To Protestants: Why aren't you Catholic?

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JSmitty2005:
I forgot something else. There are 31 pages in the back of the Catechism showing all of the citations used therein that are taken from Scripture!
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I didn’t see anybody bringing their Bibles to Mass, either.
 
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kujo313:
Yet, when Jesus says “King”, you look for a queen. When He says “Father”, you go look for a mother.
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Actually, it’s very biblical that the mother of the king be the queen. Go here. Also, we didn’t go looking for a mother. Our Lord gave her to us from the Cross. :rolleyes:
 
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kujo313:
I didn’t see anybody bringing their Bibles to Mass, either.
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I’ve never heard of the early Christians walking around with Bibles either.
 
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kujo313:
I’d rather go with the words of Jesus and the example that the apostles did by listening to Him when He said “Rather (instead of that), blessed are those who hear the Word of God and obey it.”
Just as blessed are you if the Lord should call you into missions then Mary was when she said “yes”.
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Jesus loved and honored His mother–and you should love and honor her also. 🙂
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kujo313:
I didn’t see anybody bringing their Bibles to Mass, either.
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You really, REALLY need to hear Steve Ray’s conversion story. Would you like the tape? I could send it to you. 😉
 
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kujo313:
I didn’t see anybody bringing their Bibles to Mass, either.
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When we go to Mass we hear the Word of the Lord but most importantly we receive Christ in the Eucharist. Mass was not meant to be an interactive bible study. There are Catholic bible study groups outside of the Mass if that concerns you.
 
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Eden:
When we go to Mass we hear the Word of the Lord but most importantly we receive Christ in the Eucharist. Mass was not meant to be an interactive bible study. There are Catholic bible study groups outside of the Mass if that concerns you.
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Plus, kujo, all the Scripture readings are found right there in the Missal. 👍 I think you should go watch some WWF. 😛
 
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Eden:
When we go to Mass we hear the Word of the Lord but most importantly we receive Christ in the Eucharist. Mass was not meant to be an interactive bible study. There are Catholic bible study groups outside of the Mass if that concerns you.
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I’ve tried replaying the eucharist sacrement over and over in my head but what I keep getting from it was that Christ’s suffering on the cross wasn’t enough and every mass its redone over and over again, even though he said it is finished.
 
I just realized who this thread was directed towards:
Paris Blues:
For Protestants who are NOT anti-Catholic and yet have nothing against the Church, why do you stay Protestant than???:confused:
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Sounds like kujo and myfavoritmartin better find another thread.
 
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myfavoritmartin:
I’ve tried replaying the eucharist sacrement over and over in my head but what I keep getting from it was that Christ’s suffering on the cross wasn’t enough and every mass its redone over and over again, even though he said it is finished.
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You misunderstand what He meant by “It is finished.” Read this.
 
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myfavoritmartin:
I’ve tried replaying the eucharist sacrement over and over in my head but what I keep getting from it was that Christ’s suffering on the cross wasn’t enough and every mass its redone over and over again, even though he said it is finished.
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I don’t know why you keep getting this. Christ’s sacrifice never ended. It happened once for all time but it never ended. His sacrifice is still as present today as it would be if you and I were standing at Calvary. It is not an just an interesting historical moment in time - it is for all time. You are thinking in human ways not in the mysterious ways of God.
 
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Eden:
I don’t know why you keep getting this. Christ’s sacrifice never ended. It happened once for all time but it never ended. His sacrifice is still as present today as it would be if you and I were standing at Calvary. It is not an just an interesting historical moment in time - it is for all time. You are thinking in human ways not in the mysterious ways of God.
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Malachi predicts that there will be an eternal sacrifice offered to the Father from East to West even from the Gentiles!

"For from the rising of the sun even to the going down, my name is great among the Gentiles, and in every place there is sacrifice, and there is offered to my name a clean oblation: for my name is great among the Gentiles, saith the Lord of hosts."

This eternal sacrifice transcends time and is the Precious Body and Blood of Christ in the Eucharistic Sacrifice.
 
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myfavoritmartin:
The simple reason I removed that statement is that apologist have studied scriptures, but the Catholic church as a whole does not. Have you ever noticed how at a Catholic mass they will state as it says in the book of ____ but they rarely quote the specific verses.,
out of respect for the .005 percent of catholics that can actually quote scripture I felt it was better left unsaid
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The name of the book, chapter, and verse is quoted in the missal as is the text of the reading. That is so EVERYONE in the church can READ and FOLLOW the SCRIPTURE that is being READ. As such, Catholics READ the bible and HEAR the word 3 times during EACH Mass. You have never been to a Mass have you? Your ignorance and lack of understanding of the church is as glaring as the midsummer Arizona sun. Hang around, you just might learn something if you will open your heart.
 
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myfavoritmartin:
What is it that is inaccurate about this, even my 13 year old son has noticed that they never quote specific scripture, rather books in general.
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If you can read, you will find the specific scripture that is being read in the missal.
 
"James McCarthy (and kujo) say that God condemns worshiping Mary under the title “Queen of Heaven,” which is something that apostate Judah did with the Semitic goddess Astarte.

This of course is a straw man. In fact, God condemns the worship of Mary under *any *title. But Catholics do not worship Mary—in fact, doing so would be an egregious mortal sin according to the Church—, so McCarthy’s (and kujo’s) attempted analogy fails fundamentally in this respect already.

Let’s look at why God condemned the worship of Astarte—obviously because worshipping her would violate the First Commandment.

The title “Queen of Heaven” really had nothing to do with this. McCarthy quotes Jeremiah 7:18; 44:17-19,25,27]:
The children gather wood, the fathers kindle fire, and the women knead dough, to make cakes for the queen of heaven; and they pour out drink offerings to other gods, to provoke me to anger. …] “But we will do everything that we have vowed, burn incense to the queen of heaven and pour out libations to her, as we did, both we and our fathers, our kings and our princes, in the cities of Judah and in the streets of Jerusalem; for then we had plenty of food, and prospered, and saw no evil. But since we left off burning incense to the queen of heaven and pouring out libations to her, we have lacked everything and have been consumed by the sword and by famine.” And the women said, “When we burned incense to the queen of heaven and poured out libations to her, was it without our husbands’ approval that we made cakes for her bearing her image and poured out libations to her?” Thus says the Lord of hosts, the God of Israel: You and your wives have declared with your mouths, and have fulfilled it with your hands, saying, ‘We will surely perform our vows that we have made, to burn incense to the queen of heaven and to pour out libations to her.’ Then confirm your vows and perform your vows! …] Behold, I am watching over them for evil and not for good; all the men of Judah who are in the land of Egypt shall be consumed by the sword and by famine, until there is an end of them.

Obviously, the biblical message is that we must not worship anyone but God. **McCarthy’s implication that Catholics regard Mary as a goddess because she has the title “Queen of Heaven” doesn’t make any sense. The name of the false pagan deity “Baal” translates as “lord.” Certainly, McCarthy wouldn’t conclude based on this that calling Christ “Lord” would indicate that we **believe Him to be a false god? Likewise, if I start my own religion and worship a tooth-fairy god, but call it “Heavenly Father,” does that mean the title “Heavenly Father” can no longer be used in its proper sense, referring to the Lord, merely because I am misusing it to address a pagan deity? Hardly. The misuse—even constant misuse—of a title does not imply that there is no proper use for it. Just as Christ is properly called the Lord even though the false god Baal was unjustly called ‘Lord,’ by the same token Mary is indeed the Queen of Heaven even though the false goddess Astarte was unjustly called by that title.

The Catholic position here may be nicely summarized in one simple sentence: Mary is Queen because Christ is King! We may conclude that the Protestant objections put forth by James McCarthy and others against the notion of Mary as Queen of Heaven are false and based on a superficial reading and shallow interpretation of the Bible and a failure to appreciate the depth and richness of God’s Written Word. "

www.cathinsight.com/apologetics/mccarthy/Queen.pdf
 
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kujo313:
I didn’t see anybody bringing their Bibles to Mass, either.
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Don’t need to. The missal is in every pew with the bible scriptures in it. The church is really considerate that way- they provide scripture for EVERYONE.
 
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St.Eric:
If you can read, you will find the specific scripture that is being read in the missal.
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I’m glad others pointed this out. He should suggest that his son follow along in the missal at Mass instead of just listening. If he is just listening, he will only hear the book but at his age he should be able to read the missal and find out the passages as well.
 
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