To set the Record straight Catholics do not worship Mary!

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Well, perhaps I should have reserached this “Leeann” and her posts prior to questioning her intent. Look slike there is a nasty little troll loose on the forum and it goes by the name “Leeann”. Her profile states she’s a believer…in what? Sarcasm? Belittling people’s comments by “ROFLOL”? Wow! That is just SO charitable and Christian, is it not? I can’t beleive she’s not been tossed yet due to absolute lack of respect to others and their postings! Oh well, it’ll give me another sorry lost soul to pray for today! I’ll make sure to include some petitions to Our Blessed Mother for her, as well!!!😃
 
Leeann said:
As a matter of fact it is!

Most of my Catholic friends venerate Mary, however there a couple that have, over the years gotten to a point where Christ/God is not even mentioned anymore or alluded too in conversation, due to their focus being concentrated on Mary….and not for the purpose of her leading the way to her Son…but specifically for what “she” does for them……He’s never mentioned….the entrance hallways to one of their homes resembles a shrine to Mary and in the other’s a bedroom has become shrine like also….statues/prayer cards/rosary beads….all Marian….and it really does “appear” like another religion when you experience a conversation with them. There eyes literally glaze over at the mention of Jesus’ name and they begin talking about Mary and all her wonders.
One actually told me that it is safer to go to Mary….she’d rather go to her than to Jesus as she was a bit afraid of Him.

I’ve been trying to understand for awhile now,what has happened to them…whether it is their lack of understanding as to what the Catholic Church actually teaches – however they seemed to have had the same grasp of understanding for quite some time as to what some have exhibited in here and other forums of discussion and as my other Catholic friends do, what I mean to say is that they aren’t able apparently, to ‘distinguish’ the differences of worship…as is evidenced in their actions/reactions (see above).

Then I saw this particular thread:

“To set the Record straight Catholics do not worship Mary!”

I wasn’t quite expecting what I found when I read the opening post for it.
I think the word “ALL” made me take notice and set me off!:rolleyes:

While at times it’s been a bumpy ride - if nothing else, I am sure getting a variety of comments and questions and different Catholic perspectives, even from reading other posts that aren’t mine.
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I see - sort of. That is I can’t really see your eyes here so I can’t tell if they are glazing over when you talk about Jesus but then get all excited when you seem to venerate Catholics as you pay us so much attention. If you pray to Jesus at least as much as you seem to spend time in this forum maybe its not excessive…

I have been a Catholic all my life and have been in contact with 10’s of thousands of fellow Catholics and I have NEVER seen a single Catholic who seems to hold Mary in more esteem than they do Jesus. Do you live in the USA Leeann? Where do you run into these Catholics who appear to you to be over venerating Mary? I’d like to call their parish priest or bishop and let him look into it if there is a real problem. Are you sure this is an objective observation or is it a personal hobby or campaign of yours to go out looking for this sort of thing like the Protestants of Europe did when they went on Witch Hunts and burned at the stake over 26,000 women in Germany alone on appearance of being witches? I just hope you are not forming false opinions of Catholics belief and practices based on a few “apparent” judgements you are making on a few friends of yours who claim to be Catholics. It certainly does not track with any of my experience or observations - though there are a few reports of abuses in remote regions of S. America where there is no regular priest to teach the proper faith and prevent these sort of un-Catholic teachings.

By the same standards of subjective observations and judgement some Catholics might say that millions of Protestants appear to be worshiping their bibles rather than Jesus. Quite a few of them appear to have their eyes glaze over when we talk to them and they hold up their KJVs and tell us 'MY bible tells me all I need to know for salvation" and then go on pontificating, as if infallibly, what their private interpretation of scripture means and won’t listen to anyone else’s interpretation - including what the apostolic Church, The Catholic Church, has taught for 2000 years.

Fortunately, God does not judge any of us by private judgements of what others think and judge about anyone. But if you are worried that a few Catholics are doing something wrong here I appreciate you trying to let us know so we can look into it and correct it. What parish do your friends go to? 😉

James
 
SIA said:
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elvisman:
And enough self-pride to choke a horse . . .
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That would be your church, not Luther.
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Do you know that you are passing judgement on The Body of Christ, The Church and all its members including Christ? If not let me remove that doubt.

Now, that done, do you not see the irony in this or give any consideration to how insulting that is to all Catholics not to mention that careless disregard for the consequences? Is that not the very essence of pride? Or are you claiming invincible ignorance by reason of insanity?

James
 
BILL PICK said:
Sia Thats Not Nice,you Are Cathloic ,right.
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Not if his signature is accurate - he is a person who swam away From The Church down the river in the opposite direction (the Thames) - a turncoat.

James
 
CentralFLJames said:
Do you know that you are passing judgement on The Body of Christ, The Church and all its members including Christ? If not let me remove that doubt.

Now, that done, do you not see the irony in this or give any consideration to how insulting that is to all Catholics not to mention that careless disregard for the consequences? Is that not the very essence of pride? Or are you claiming invincible ignorance by reason of insanity?

James
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Your anger is very unproductive unlike Luther’s.
 
SIA said:
That’s very uncharitable my friend.😦
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Contraire. There is not a shred of uncharity in explaining the truth that you are publicly revealing through euphamisms about yourself.

Answer the man’s question then and explain why you take so much pride in “swimming the Thames” rather than just plainly saying “I used to be Catholic but turned my back on the Catholic Church to walk away from it as a Protestant.”

If your decision shames you then you should not be publicly boasting about it in your signature under swimming away metaphors. So under the banner of pride you seem to be waving in your signature expression I would have rather assumed that the term “turncoat” would have been a source of pride to you - a person who changes the color of his robes so there can be no outward mistake about what side he is on. That is unless you are having regrets about leaving your Catholic roots - are you?

The only way you can find a problem with the term “turncoat” is in understanding the deep etymology of the term as it applied to specific geographical areas hundreds of years ago. In those times and regions there were not so few cases of many “turncoats” proving to have no scruples whatsoever by keeping 2 sets of over-coats (or in US civil war - a blue and a grey uniform in the closet) - doctrinal and philosophical gypsies. These sort often went back and forth both ways to suit themselves according to the ever shifting socio-economic conditions in times of revolution to profit by it; or to escape the persecution from the side that seemed to be in power. But, just like traitors, no one pragmatically really trusts a “turn coat” since the common man wise to the insincere ways he observed in himself as well as his neighbor popularly saw these as “opportunists” who wore “suits of convenience”. There was indeed a certain moral revulsion to those who appeared to lack any real concrete personal convictions other than the consistent pattern of “fitting in” to whatever was stylish at the moment for personal gain and comfort.

If you took the deeper meaning of the term personal then I might suggest you have a guilty conscience that does not track well with your public sentiments. Perhaps then you should take less apparent “pride” in escaping The Catholic Church to "swim the Thames. Perhaps you should consider changing you signature to simply “Protestant”. That would say the same thing of where your roots originally came from - The Catholic Church and also give a reasonable doubt that you at least felt like your forefathers who for a large part actually loved the Church but just left it in protest since they could not accept its authority.

There is no anger here - just sadness that you take pride that you left The Church to reject it. You might do well to remember this verse:

“Those who reject you reject Me and He who sent Me…”

James
 
BILL PICK said:
Lets Just Put Leeann On Our Ignore List Because She Is Not Here To Learn But To Bash Cathloics
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I’m curious BILL PICK…did you post this entry before or after you sent me a personal email stating that you’d keep me in your prayers?
 
FranciscanGemma said:
Catholics worship the Lord in the highest form possible; The Holy Mass. That is something that all other faiths lack ( I’m not going into it about the Eastern Church’s Divine Liturgy). Since all the Protestant churches lack this highest form of worship, they must resort to a lesser form of praising God; hence singing and prayers, which, are good and noble, but are NOT the Mass. And, BTW, what “song” are you talking about? I hope it’s not a sarcastic little remark about the OP’s title, now is it?
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Hi FranciscanGemma - I believe it is a song…I’m sure I’ve heard it before…or at least parts of it.

The words are beautiful aren’t they?
 
FranciscanGemma said:
Well, perhaps I should have reserached this “Leeann” and her posts prior to questioning her intent. Look slike there is a nasty little troll loose on the forum and it goes by the name “Leeann”. Her profile states she’s a believer…in what? Sarcasm? Belittling people’s comments by “ROFLOL”? Wow! That is just SO charitable and Christian, is it not? I can’t beleive she’s not been tossed yet due to absolute lack of respect to others and their postings! Oh well, it’ll give me another sorry lost soul to pray for today! I’ll make sure to include some petitions to Our Blessed Mother for her, as well!!!😃
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Half the Catholic posters would be tossed by those standards FranciscanGemma!😉

As I told elvisman earlier FranciscanGemma - I’ll try hard to follow your own example of being charitable.
 
It appears that she doth protest about the taste of her own poison!
Looks like Leeann doesn’t like being “called out” about her attitude or lack of knowledge…😃
 
What a simplistic conclusion to draw from what I was able to share on here…and then you post it proudly as if that makes it true?🤷
 
FranciscanGemma said:
It appears that she doth protest about the taste of her own poison!
Looks like Leeann doesn’t like being “called out” about her attitude or lack of knowledge…😃
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…why do I keep thinking…"that little “green face” is so suitable for this poster…:rolleyes:
 
I’m learning to expect very little at all from you (name removed by moderator)…I just assumed you had seen this post that I shared… as you made reference to it in one of *your own *condescending, smug, arrogant filled posts… .:rolleyes:
Originally Posted by CentralFLJames
Leeann, I have read a number of your posts in this thread and it seems you have a personal problem with Catholics liking and venerating His saints. God does not have a problem with this so why should you spend so much time venerating us with your attention? Is it a matter of love that you pay Catholics so much attention? 😃
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Response Leeann (Post # 152)
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As a matter of fact it is!
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Most of my Catholic friends venerate Mary, however there a couple that have, over the years gotten to a point where Christ/God is not even mentioned anymore or alluded too in conversation, due to their focus being concentrated on Mary….and not for the purpose of her leading the way to her Son…but specifically for what “she” does for them……He’s never mentioned….the entrance hallways to one of their homes resembles a shrine to Mary and in the other’s a bedroom has become shrine like also….statues/prayer cards/rosary beads….all Marian….and it really does “appear” like another religion when you experience a conversation with them. There eyes literally glaze over at the mention of Jesus’ name and they begin talking about Mary and all her wonders.
One actually told me that it is safer to go to Mary….she’d rather go to her than to Jesus as she was a bit afraid of Him.
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I’ve been trying to understand for awhile now,what has happened to them…whether it is their lack of understanding as to what the Catholic Church actually teaches – however they seemed to have had the same grasp of understanding for quite some time as to what some have exhibited in here and other forums of discussion and as my other Catholic friends do, what I mean to say is that they aren’t able apparently, to ‘distinguish’ the differences of worship…as is evidenced in their actions/reactions (see above).
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Then I saw this particular thread:
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“To set the Record straight Catholics do not worship Mary!”
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I wasn’t quite expecting what I found when I read the opening post for it.
I think the word “ALL” made me take notice and set me off!
Click to expand...
While at times it’s been a bumpy ride - if nothing else, I am sure getting a variety of comments and questions and different Catholic perspectives, even from reading other posts that aren’t mine.
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I don’t know about any of you, but the name calling and sniping and accusations **on all sides **are pretty disgusting aren’t they??? :slapfight:

I apologize to anyone that I may have offended, whether by misunderstanding of my intentions due to not being able to distinguish sarcasm from humour, or by direct attack, or by frustration at not being able to make myself clear due to my own incapabilities.

Can we discuss the Mass and the worship and the point being made that it is the most meaningful and important form of worship within the Catholic Church.

As one poster said that the worship is centred totally on Christ,
I posted a reference to the Vatican website on a document with regards to Mary and the eucharist…“Woman of the Eucharist”.

Has anyone seen it or read it and if so, can you offer what your opinion or understanding of what it says means?
 
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