To set the Record straight Catholics do not worship Mary!

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Napsack said:
Your actions have surely shown otherwise. I think that is what so many people are seeing and speaking of.
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Your perception is skewed and fallible and influenced by the anti-Catholic teachings of 500 years of Heretical Protestantism.
 
nbtb1348 said:
That is the best verse for putting Mary right where she belongs–Away from the “Blessess” and alongside all the rest that simply honor the Word of God by studying and obeying it.

God Bless
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Are you saying that even though Holy Scripture says all generations will call Mary blessed that you don’t otr more accurately won’t?.I’m shocked.Or does that piece of scripture not count because it came from Mary’s mouth?

I’m beginning to see your problem.
 
27 And it came to pass, as he said these things, a certain woman out of the multitude lifted up her voice, and said unto him, Blessed is the womb that bare thee, and the breasts which thou didst suck.

28 But he said, Yea rather, blessed are they that hear the word of God, and keep it.

Which is EXACTLY what Mary did.Jesus confirmed that Mary’s obedience and devotion are what matters.In no way could this be construed as a slight except in the mind of a Mary resenting,disrespecting anti-Catholic Protestant.
 
nbtb1348 said:
No, you just confirmed what I already knew. My forcefulness is probably not very helpful for you when it comes to examining your own personal relationship with Christ. The nesxt time you watch a Billy Graham or a Rick Warren or a Tony Dungy or a Kurt Warner or a Tim Tebow or a Mike Huckabee or a Paul Azinger give glory to God, know that you are listening to someone who has found real Life through simple faith in the finished work of the cross…plus nothing. And the results are lives that are changed forever.
Peace
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Are these Protestant TV celebrities, sports figures and politicians you mention the models that Protestants look up to and idolize? I’d be real careful that you not let them become idols of worship.

BTW - there seems to be a serious lack of consensus in the Protestant camps about who is good and bad among your own leaders and “brothers”. But based on what I have seen here and elsewhere judging others seems to be a Protestant tradition…
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Billy Graham is a Great Deceiver
jesus-is-savior.com/Wolves/billy_graham_exposed.htm

The Purpose Driven Life EXPOSED (Rick Warren)
jesus-is-savior.com/Wolves/rick_warren.htm

James
 
Tantum_ergo said:
Let me be sure I have this straight.

I come right out and tell you that I reverence Mary, and that I worship God. I come right out and tell you that you have seen examples of that reverence, and that my worship of God is ‘as far above that as the heavens are above the earth’.

And you come back with the post above.

How do you dare to tell me that ‘my actions have surely shown otherwise?’

You became extremely upset when you erroneously thought that someone had judged “protestants” unfairly, not even you ‘personally’. . .

Yet you can turn around, and basically claim that no matter what I say, I’m a LIAR according to you? You can accuse me falsely and that’s perfectly fine to deny my words and impugn my truthfulness?

Is this what you are really saying?
Are you calling me a liar? How else am I to understand your words of “your actions have shown otherwise” other than that you saying to me, “You lie?”
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Tantum Ergo,you are being called a liar.
CentralFLjames is being called a liar.
(name removed by moderator) is being called a liar.
Codebilly you are being called a liar.

Other Catholics contributing to this thread are being called liars.
I am being called a liar.
The Pope,Bishops,priests,nuns,Doctors of the Church,Saints,Martyrs are ALL being called liars.

Our Faith is being called a lie.
 
nbtb1348 said:
It is still foreign to what the NT writers and Jesus himself set forth. If Mary was to be obssessed over like this, there would have been much more said. It is merely the result of man adding to Scripture, or at least attempting to.
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You are the obsessive as are your fellow protestants who attack us thusly.Mary is a non-issue for Catholics.We are devoted to her and love her which you obviously do not.

She is part of the Communion of saints who pray and intercede for us with the SOLE mediator.

For all you lip movers and mouth breathers out there,WE DON"T WORSHIP MARY.
 
Sometimes I think that some Protestants regard Mary as some kind of brood mare whose yes to the propostion of the incarnation and devout obedience matters not.
I’ve even heard some Fundamentalist Protestants state that Mary did not even have a choice in the matter which would mean that God was a metaphorical rapist.God is NO rapist.

Eve’s no=Satan.

Mary’s yes=Christ.
 
ron77nyc said:
Bartolo Longo is a saint of the Church who lived in Italy (1841-1926) His prayers are quoted frequently by Pope Benedict. What do you think of this prayer?

communio.stblogs.org/2008/10/our-lady-of-pompeii.html

In the name of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit. Amen.

O August Queen of Victories, O Sovereign of Heaven and Earth, at whose name the heavens rejoice and the abyss trembles, O glorious Queen of the Rosary, we your devoted children, assembled in your Temple of Pompeii, on this solemn day, pour out the affection of our heart and with filial confidence express our miseries to You.

From the Throne of clemency, where You are seated as Queen, turn, O Mary, your merciful gaze on us, on our families, on Italy, on Europe, on the world. Have compassion on the sorrows and cares which embitter our lives. See, O Mother, how many dangers of body and soul, how many calamities and afflictions press upon us.

O Mother, implore for us the mercy of your divine Son and conquer with clemency the heart of sinners. They are our brothers and your children who cause the heart of our sweet Jesus to bleed and who sadden your most sensitive Heart. Show all what you are, the Queen of Peace and of Pardon.
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I went back and re-looked at the full text of the prayer written by Bl. Bartolo Longo and have additional comments to make.

The prayer’s opening ejaculation[sup]1[/sup] is made through the Trinitarian formula. Praying through the authority of Jesus’ name is exactly as the gospel tells us we should petition God in our prayers. So the prayer is properly opened and of proper form. Everything said further in the prayer is subordinate to God’s authority and the petitioner has placed his petition subordinate to God’s consent by addressing it through God. The petitioner then with confidence in God’s consent enjoins Mary to his prayers.

[sup]1[/sup] e.g. The prayer starts off thusly:
In the name of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit. Amen.

God will have no problem with the poetic language used to address His Queen and will no doubt smile on this petition and bless it.

James
 
Soutane said:
I don’t believe that you are a Catholic.There is no conflict between Scripture and Tradition.If you are Catholic your faith is skewed and you MUST read your catechism.I repeat that you are causing scandal to the Catholics here by promulgating things that are absolutely contrary to the faith.
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Look at post #487. It’s from the catechism. It supports what I’m saying and it’s backed up by the bible.
ron77nyc said:
Quotes from the catechism:

"To preach . . . the unsearchable riches of Christ"10
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The transmission of the Christian faith consists primarily in **proclaiming Jesus Christ in order to lead others to faith in him. **From the beginning, the first disciples burned with the desire to proclaim Christ: "We cannot but speak of what we have seen and heard."11 And they invite people of every era to enter into the joy of their communion with Christ:

At the heart of catechesis: Christ
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"At the heart of catechesis we find, in essence, a Person, the Person of Jesus of Nazareth, the only Son from the Father . . . who suffered and died for us and who now, after rising, is living with us forever."13 To catechize is "to reveal in the Person of Christ the whole of God’s eternal design reaching fulfillment in that Person. It is to seek to understand the meaning of Christ’s actions and words and of the signs worked by him."14 Catechesis aims at putting "people . . . in communion . . . with Jesus Christ: only he can lead us to the love of the Father in the Spirit and make us share in the life of the Holy Trinity."15

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**The first and last point of reference of this catechesis will always be Jesus Christ himself, who is “the way, and the truth, and the life.”**24 It is by looking to him in faith that Christ’s faithful can hope that he himself fulfills his promises in them, and that, by loving him with the same love with which he has loved them, they may perform works in keeping with their dignity:

I ask you to consider that our Lord Jesus Christ is your true head, and that you are one of his members. He belongs to you as the head belongs to its members; all that is his is yours: his spirit, his heart, his body and soul, and all his faculties. You must make use of all these as of your own, to serve, praise, love, and glorify God. You belong to him, as members belong to their head. And so he longs for you to use all that is in you, as if it were his own, for the service and glory of the Father.25
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ron77nyc said:
I guess you didn’t really read what I said. I was praising those folks for their goodness.
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Soutane said:
No you weren’t.
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Here is exactly what I wrote. I’ll use the bold type for you so you don’t miss it this time.
ron77nyc said:
I’m sincere and a bit sarcastic at the same time. I know the hearts of those people. You can trust them with your little children if you had to take your wife to the hospital. What I’m trying to say is venerate and worship are almost the same thing so there is opportunity for confusion among Catholics and non-Catholics.
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ron77nyc said:
Here is exactly what I wrote. I’ll use the bold type for you so you don’t miss it this time.
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Ron and Soutane can you two take this offline in private PM or a new thread? It’s not really germain to the OP.

Thanks,
James
 
ron77nyc said:
Here is exactly what I wrote. I’ll use the bold type for you so you don’t miss it this time.
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You are right on target, Ron. And the thing each person has to honestly ask themself is, does my veneration of and focus on Mary reduce the amount of time and energy I spend getting to know Christ, or not?
 
nbtb1348 said:
You are right on target, Ron. And the thing each person has to honestly ask themself is, does my veneration of and focus on Mary reduce the amount of time and energy I spend getting to know Christ, or not?
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No. No more then listening and talking with my wife takes from the time I spend “getting to know Christ”

So I guess this settles it.

Unless the next thread will be where you try to convince me that I worship my wife. :rolleyes:

God bless
 
nbtb1348 said:
You are right on target, Ron. And the thing each person has to honestly ask themself is, does my veneration of and focus on Mary reduce the amount of time and energy I spend getting to know Christ, or not?
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Frankly, I don’t think you can see the forests for the trees. I’d be more concerned about getting in the only true faith rather than wasting your eternity with Protestant Churches and people that don’t have a clue what it takes to attain eternal life.

Sorry to be so blunt - but there is no salvation outside of the Catholic Church and you don’t have an excuse of “invincible ignorance”. You are worshipping a “doctrine of man” and without a valid priesthood and the mass Protestants barely venerate God much less worship Him. That’s more than a waste of time - that’s a waste of one’s eternity. Not kidding…

James
 
nbtb1348 said:
You are right on target, Ron. And the thing each person has to honestly ask themself is, does my veneration of and focus on Mary reduce the amount of time and energy I spend getting to know Christ, or not?
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Spoken like a true person who does not have a clue what veneration to Mary is, and has never done it. 👍
 
Angels_Unaware said:
Spoken like a true person who does not have a clue what veneration to Mary is, and has never done it. 👍
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I’m too busy focusing on my Savior. And any talk about her being a co-redemptrix, which you teach, shows that there are things driving your devotion to Mary that are not fueled by the Holy Spirit.
 
CentralFLJames said:
Frankly, I don’t think you can see the forests for the trees. I’d be more concerned about getting in the only true faith rather than wasting your eternity with Protestant Churches and people that don’t have a clue what it takes to attain eternal life.

Sorry to be so blunt - but there is no salvation outside of the Catholic Church and you don’t have an excuse of “invincible ignorance”. You are worshipping a “doctrine of man” and without a valid priesthood and the mass Protestants barely venerate God much less worship Him. That’s more than a waste of time - that’s a waste of one’s eternity. Not kidding…

James
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You are adrift on a sea of confusion. Jesus said you must be born again, and you think your baptism got you that. From the way you talk and misunderstand scripture, I honestly doubt Christ is in you. He simply will not give you the new birth until you come to him trusting that the cross alone saves you. There are so many verses…*Romans 10:9-- “that if you will confess with your mouth that Jesus is Lord, and believe in your heart that God raised him from the dead, you will be saved.” * But you don’t believe that, and so my friend, you cannot be saved. Scripture trumps all your words, all your traditions and all your pride. *“For by grace you have been saved through faith; and that not of yourselves, it is the gift of God; not as a result of works, so that no one may boast. For we are His workmanship, created in Christ Jesus for good works, which God prepared beforehand so that we would walk in them.” * But you insist on boasting in works, and so you cannot be saved. You have a lot more to worry about than doctrines on Mary. I will not discuss these things with you again unless you seek the truth.
God Bless
 
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