Tom Brady Suspended

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ucfengr said:
If the player didn’t actually cork the bat and didn’t even know that it was corked, does he deserve to be punished? In this case, there’s no actual evidence that Brady knew anything about ball tampering.
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From what I understand, there is no proof that Brady did wrong so I agree, Brady should not be punished if this is so.
 
I loathe the quasi-religious atmosphere surrounding football in general and the Patriots in particular around here, and the worship of Brady. I wish the Super Bowl win had been vacated. The Pats have a long history of questionable practices. This time they didn’t get away with it.
 
Tarpeian_Rock said:
I loathe the quasi-religious atmosphere surrounding football in general and the Patriots in particular around here, and the worship of Brady. I wish the Super Bowl win had been vacated. The Pats have a long history of questionable practices. This time they didn’t get away with it.
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Given the flimsiness of the league report, it’s much easier to make the case that the folks who are advocating for extreme penalties for Brady and the Patriots are under the influence of a “quasi-religious atmosphere”. There’s nothing in the report that proves that Brady did anything wrong, In fact, he’s not even being punished for deflating the balls, but for declining to turn over personal e-mails and texts to the league investigators.
 
Tarpeian_Rock said:
I loathe the quasi-religious atmosphere surrounding football in general and the Patriots in particular around here, and the worship of Brady. I wish the Super Bowl win had been vacated. The Pats have a long history of questionable practices. This time they didn’t get away with it.
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In general in the US, professional football has some sort of special following definitely, it is the number one sport. “Quasi-religious” is probably a fair description. It’s hard to get down to it exactly.

You don’t have tailgating, people painting their faces and so on over nothing.

NCAA basketball certainly has its avid followers as does the European brand of Soccer, close to being the only game in town. Yes, that pertains to Latin America as well.
 
I’ve seen reports that the “verdict” if it can be called that is bound to be overturned.

Also, as said earlier, this is going through the NFL’s rules, not the laws of the locality, state or nation.

Just think of some of the things that happen during an NHL game which by the way, I enjoy but as for the fighting, if one did that out on the street, of course, you’d be going to jail. Every once in a great while too, the police do get involved in an NHL game.
 
Tarpeian_Rock said:
I loathe the quasi-religious atmosphere surrounding football in general and the Patriots in particular around here, and the worship of Brady. I wish the Super Bowl win had been vacated. The Pats have a long history of questionable practices. This time they didn’t get away with it.
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ucfengr said:
If the player didn’t actually cork the bat and didn’t even know that it was corked, does he deserve to be punished? In this case, there’s no actual evidence that Brady knew anything about ball tampering.
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Let’s get one thing straight. The punishment isn’t for the deflation. The penalty for that is $25,000 according to the NFL’s own rules. The “big deal” is that Brady obstructed the investigation, and many of his statements, such as not knowing Jim “the Deflator” McNally or even what his role was, turned out to be bald-faced lies. Of course he knew McNally, of all people, he was very keenly aware of McNally’s particular job duties.

Except from Troy Vincent’s letter to Brady:
The report documents your failure to cooperate fully and candidly with the investigation, including by refusing to produce any relevant electronic evidence (emails, texts, etc.), despite being offered extraordinary safeguards by the investigators to protect unrelated personal information, and by providing testimony that the report concludes was not plausible and contradicted by other evidence.
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Your actions as set forth in the report clearly constitute conduct detrimental to the integrity of and public confidence in the game of professional football.
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Havard said:
Let’s get one thing straight. The punishment isn’t for the deflation. The penalty for that is $25,000 according to the NFL’s own rules. The “big deal” is that Brady obstructed the investigation, and many of his statements, such as not knowing Jim “the Deflator” McNally or even what his role was, turned out to be bald-faced lies. Of course he knew McNally, of all people, he was very keenly aware of McNally’s particular job duties.

Except from Troy Vincent’s letter to Brady:
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So Brady is being punished for declining to turn over private emails and texts from his private phone to NFL investigators. Where, in the NFL Collective Bargaining Agreement, does it say that players are obligated to turn over private emails and texts to the NFL? Also, if you read the report there’s no indication that Brady knows McNally other than “the guy in the locker room in charge of the balls”. He’s a locker room attendant; I doubt he runs in the same circles as the franchise quarterback and his supermodel wife.
 
ucfengr said:
So Brady is being punished for declining to turn over private emails and texts from his private phone to NFL investigators. Where, in the NFL Collective Bargaining Agreement, does it say that players are obligated to turn over private emails and texts to the NFL? Also, if you read the report there’s no indication that Brady knows McNally other than “the guy in the locker room in charge of the balls”. He’s a locker room attendant; I doubt he runs in the same circles as the franchise quarterback and his supermodel wife.
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You are comparing running in the same social circles as someone who works for the same company, the New England Patriots and is in that part of the building much the same time as Tom Brady is??
 
Path_Finder said:
You are comparing running in the same social circles as someone who works for the same company, the New England Patriots and is in that part of the building much the same time as Tom Brady is??
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There are a couple hundred people in my office (not building, office) at the same time as I am every day. I know considerably less than half of them despite seeing them on an almost daily basis. The Patriot’s organization is probably similar in size, so I don’t see it as surprising that the franchise quarterback may not be more than passingly familiar with one of the locker room attendants. I don’t know the guy who cleans the bathrooms or brings copier paper either.
 
ucfengr said:
So Brady is being punished for declining to turn over private emails and texts from his private phone to NFL investigators. Where, in the NFL Collective Bargaining Agreement, does it say that players are obligated to turn over private emails and texts to the NFL? Also, if you read the report there’s no indication that Brady knows McNally other than “the guy in the locker room in charge of the balls”. He’s a locker room attendant; I doubt he runs in the same circles as the franchise quarterback and his supermodel wife.
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When you’re an NFL QB having your footballs taken care of the way you like them is pretty important. I don’t see any way that Brady didn’t know McNally.

And I agree that the suspension will be overturned when it is appealed. There was nothing connecting Brady to the deflation of the balls and I don’t think he was obligated to turn over anything under the collective bargaining deal.
 
ucfengr said:
There are a couple hundred people in my office (not building, office) at the same time as I am every day. I probably know considerably less than half of them despite seeing them on an almost daily basis.
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I would think that someone who is responsible for the footballs of a club could perhaps be familiar with the quarterbacks of a professional franchise but perhaps, my logic is reaching a bit.
 
Burt_Macklin said:
When you’re an NFL QB having your footballs taken care of the way you like them is pretty important. I don’t see any way that Brady didn’t know McNally.

And I agree that the suspension will be overturned when it is appealed. There was nothing connecting Brady to the deflation of the balls and I don’t think he was obligated to turn over anything under the collective bargaining deal.
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Collective bargaining, okay, but I’m sure the NFL like most any organization has a variety of rules and regulations.
 
SuperLuigi said:
You’re kidding, right? They couldn’t even PROVE he knew.

I hope the Patriots fight this tooth and nail.

Other teams have been found guilty of similar things.
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You’re kidding, right?

He most likely was suspended because of his lack of co-operation.
 
Caldera599 said:
espn.go.com/nfl/story/_/id/12867594/punishments-handed-tom-brady-new-england-patriots-deflategate

Not enough punishment. He should face criminal charges for this
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Uh, in a country where the federal, state and local governments aid and abet the violation of immigration law on a massive scale I have a huge problem charging anyone with anything.

Much less an athlete for possibly knowing that balls were deflated to less than the required minimum. (Which could be accounted for by balls legally inflated to the minimum pressure in a warm environment being measured hours later after having been in much colder environment for a long period of time).

Whatever, it’s a rules violation and the organization making the rules has arrived at the appropriate discipline in accordance with their regulations and processes.
 
ucfengr said:
So Brady is being punished for declining to turn over private emails and texts from his private phone to NFL investigators. Where, in the NFL Collective Bargaining Agreement, does it say that players are obligated to turn over private emails and texts to the NFL? Also, if you read the report there’s no indication that Brady knows McNally other than “the guy in the locker room in charge of the balls”. He’s a locker room attendant; I doubt he runs in the same circles as the franchise quarterback and his supermodel wife.
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Brady didn’t tell investigators that they weren’t well-acquainted. He said he didn’t even know who McNally was.

Per the texts between McNally and Jastremski:

McNally: Tom sucks…im going make that next ball a ****in balloon

Jastremski: Talked to him last night. He actually brought you up and said you must have a lot of stress trying to get them done…

Jastremski: I told him it was. He was right though…

Jastremski: I checked some of the balls this morn… The refs ****ed us…a few of then were at almost 16
 
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