Top 10 reasons women should dress modestly

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Dearly beloved friends,

Cordial greetings.

It is important to remember that when men or women don a seductive style of clothing they are inviting others to view them as a mere assemblege of body parts rather than people with personalities. Immodest attire, be it on men or women, distracts from our personhood, with the result that we engage less with personality and more with the body parts. This leads to both men and women becoming objectified and, at length, completely loosing all mutual respect for one another, which is precisely what is happening in our own degenerate age. Indeed, it is this disordered fixation with body parts that has led to the increasing sexualisation of Western culture and the prevalent decadence that is a sad feature of it.

As a marginal aside, those modern Catholic women who see nothing wrong with wearing a mini-skirt that shamefully flaunts their legs, need to remember that it owes its origin to Mary Quant. Its emergence on the fashion scene of so called ‘swinging sixities’ London was very much bound up with the anti-Christian Women’s Liberation movement. It became a symbol of a women being able to choose how she wanted to dress and also exercising some power over men. Along with the advent of the pill at around the same time, it became
powerful influence in the rising tide of moral and cultural deterioration, the effects of which continue to be felt to this today. For example, here in the UK we have more teenage pregancies than most European countries and more couples opt to live in sin than enter into wedlock, as was formerly the norm. Alas, we even have the sexualisation of children by clothing manufactures who provide indecorous fashions even for the very young, especially girls. Whilst I am not suggesting that the mini-skirt alone is responsible for all this, it is incontrovertible that our present troubles can be traced to the sexual and cultural revolution of the 1960’s, which certainly did foist upon us tarty garments like the mini-skirt

If the faithful are not to be implicated in this ongoing aggressive sexualisation of culture, then they must needs eshew any garments that voluptuosly expose the body to the gaze of others - our “intimate centre” must be protected at all costs. Moreover, given the presence of evil desire we ought to show compassion to our brethren by the putting on of seemly aparrel. Here is how a pre-Vatican II manual of instruction for Catholics puts it:

“The virtue of modesty is the virtue which protects chastity by inclining us to guard our senses, so as not to invite temptation, and to be considerate in our dress and behaviour, so as not to cause temptation to others”. (Christ in Us, Killgallon and Webber, Sheed & Ward, 1958, p. 269).

Warmest good wishes,

Portrait

Pax
 
Throughout this discussion I have tried to consistently present the full picture of modesty, the role and reasons for women to dress modestly, and the role and reasons for men to control themselves.

Post after post of mine have struck this chord.

I have also pointed out the underlying principles that tie these roles together in a reinforcing and unifying fashion across the genders that God made us into: charity (properly understood) and holiness, a never ending struggle of daily conversion.

The reasons for all our actions and choices should be love, love of God and love of neighbor.
Anyone who is capable of connecting the dots will find that the reason for such love is in fact grounded in our “being in the image and likeness of God”, a.k.a. being a human being.

Therefore, the ultimate reason is our being. Being comes first before action. God Himself had to be before He could make any action out of love. To deny that would be heresy right? Thus, such a train of thought is so simple to reach so the only thing that’s really mind boggling here is how you and the rest of the Party of Modesty don’t get that. You just quote and quote (be it from the Bible, Catechism, Examination of Conscience etc) with little to no understanding of what positions you are even quoting.

If people would stop being so sinfully shallow, then there would be no need to “cover up”. Furthermore, “covering up” has been proven to be just as giving in to the weakness of others as not. It is not the solution. Proven fact. Again, if you insist on charity then chastise those with an incorrect view of the human person instead of those they are victimizing. Stop trying to make it easier for the former to go uncorrected.

This does not deny or naively underestimate the difficult nature of controlling hormones. However, just because you have difficulty does not mean you should place the burden of relieving it on others. To insist on such thinking is like the man with the terminal disease who insists on being administered euthanasia to end his suffering instead of clinging to hope and fighting for his life.
All of these points aren’t mine, they come directly from Jesus and are consistent with the Bible and with our Catechism.
No, they come from your own understanding which still lacks a certain level of critical thinking. That’s not being uncharitable (unlike what a recent poster is implying), that is simply pointing out the fact that your position lacks logical consistency.
Moral responsibility of confirmed Catholics is broad and stretchy, and “high walls” of responsibility are not part of our morality.
If by high walls you mean high personal responsibility, then you’ve only proven how sadly inept at logic your understanding of Catholic morality is.
 
If people would stop being so sinfully shallow, then there would be no need to “cover up”.

…To insist on such thinking is like the man with the terminal disease who insists on being administered euthanasia to end his suffering instead of clinging to hope and fighting for his life.
Oh, I see. You’re dreaming that we live back in Eden. Ok. You go on then and continue that little teapot fantasy while the rest stay back on earth, and try to help each other. Very well.

Forget feigning to be a logician or a rhetorician. You’d make better headway by shortening your sentences down severely; they sort of chase each other around in circles. I used to recommend to my graduate students that they read Hemmingway before attempting to write their dissertations. A short declarative sentence is a beautiful thing. And these were Ph.D. Engineering students.

There’s just so much pretentious writing today. It’s another form of self-mastery that’s lacking today.
 
It is important to remember that when men or women don a seductive style of clothing they are inviting others to view them as a mere assemblege of body parts rather than people with personalities.
Says who, you?

Thanks for proving that the Party of Modesty sings the same anthem as the Party of Sex.

To demonstrate those who still don’t get it, allow me:
Setting: A street. On one far end is the Party of Modesty shouting and waving the Bible. On the other far end is the Party of Sex, chatting up with one of his girlfriends. In the middle of the street, right at the pedestrian lane is a girl in mini-shorts and sleeveless. Both men look at the girl and declare their thoughts.
Party of Sex: whistles Whoa, whoa, whatta we got here… looks like Sweet Honey #7. >B)
Party of Modesty: Shameless maiden! Hath thou no decency? Shame! Shame! D8<
old, blind lady enters across the street
Party of Modesty: Behold! exalts old woman from afar The elder lady has proven herself far wiser than shameless harlot! >B)
Party of Sex: Ack! Someone call the Crypt Keeper and tell 'im they let his grandma out. goes back to ogling girl
both are so preoccupied they barely noticed the pedestrian signal turn to "Walk"
Girl: ** smiles and walks quickly and calmly**
Blind Old Lady: stays in place, unsure
Girl: greets Blind Old Lady Hey grandma, need help?
Blind Old Lady: Oh is that you child? Thank you…
Girl walks all the way back guiding the Old Blind Lady
Girl: Later grandma. walks away
Blind Old Lady: God bless you child! says so only Party of Modesty and Party of Sex can hear What a nice girl… sighs if only there were more young ones like that nowadays…
Party of Modesty: >_>;;;
Party of Sex: <_<;;;
 
If by high walls you mean high personal responsibility, then you’ve only proven how sadly inept at logic your understanding of Catholic morality is.
By high walls, I mean fixed boundaries of responsibility vs. a more generous interpretation of personal responsibility, of the nature that Jesus challenged the Jewish pharisees and Sadducees.

From this past Monday’s Mass, in the Gospel of St Matthew:
"…If anyone wants to go to law with you over your tunic,
hand him your cloak as well.
Should anyone press you into service for one mile,
go with him for two miles.
Give to the one who asks of you,
and do not turn your back on one who wants to borrow.”
 
Oh, I see. You’re dreaming that we live back in Eden. Ok. You go on then and continue that little teapot fantasy while the rest stay back on earth, and try to help each other. Very well.
Nice. I prove to you a simple, neutral fact that your logic has holes and you go on and become a reductionist. For someone who suddenly likes to get all formal and Thesis class on me, this quote of yours is sure full of mistakes.

You know the only nice thing I can say about you right now (and the only correct thing you’ve stated so far)?

That you’re a self-admitted hypocrite.

P.S.

I guess blind people are a lot closer to Eden than us huh?
 
By high walls, I mean fixed boundaries of responsibility vs. a more generous interpretation of personal responsibility, of the nature that Jesus challenged the Jewish pharisees and Sadducees.

From this past Monday’s Mass, in the Gospel of St Matthew:
You know the more you talk here, the more you prove that never really read anything I’ve said.

Again, you want charity? Go after the people who can’t control their shallow tendencies.

You don’t reduce rape by going after their victims.
 
Let take the subject of pants — which many “religious modesty fanatics” – say are immodest on women. The message given here by Pope St. Nicholas I – is that what is worn on the outside is not indicative of a person’s holiness. Clothes are neutral—neither impedes salvation nor leads to any increase in virtue.
Thank you! I’ve been getting getting tired of just quoting 1 Samuel 16:7. I’ve been meaning to find more material from Church authorities with the same message. This really helps! 😃
 
Your coining and repeated use of “Party of Modesty” and “Party of Sex” has grown too old to escape comment.

It’s not cute. Its use doesn’t reveal anything about anything other than you like using it A LOT.

It’s at best an amateurish abstraction of people. It also attempts to deny properly formed Catholics from the right holders of the word sex.

Read again, JPII’s Theology of the Body. Sex is very good because God created it.

To pit modesty and sex as opposing is false, but commonplace.
 
That you’re a self-admitted hypocrite.
Let me correct your use of the word hypocrite. It’s a very common mistake today.

A hypocrite isn’t a person who says one thing and does another.

It’s instead a person who says one thing and believes another.

The first is merely a human struggler…the second is another thing altogether.
 
Thank you! I’ve been getting getting tired of just quoting 1 Samuel 16:7. I’ve been meaning to find more material from Church authorities with the same message. This really helps! 😃
Yeah, we’ve been getting tired of you over quoting that too. We agree on something substantial.
 
To pit modesty and sex as opposing is false, but commonplace.
The fact that you have issues with labels that I put merely for the sake of the argument proves how little response you have left.

A word of advice? Nitpicking is a lot less cute and whole lot less polite. Not to mention, it’s intellectually immature.
It’s instead a person who says one thing and believes another.
Nope you’re a hypocrite all right. Again, please read a dictionary.
hypocrite [noun] - a person who pretends to have virtues, moral or religious beliefs, principles, etc., that he or she does not actually possess, especially a person whose actions belie stated beliefs.
Underlined emphasis is mine.
 
Yeah, we’ve been getting tired of you over quoting that too. We agree on something substantial.
You’re tired because you’ve got nothing to say when even God Himself declares we are never to judge by appearances.

But you know, I wouldn’t mind finding more equally reputable sources to prove my point.
 
Let take the subject of pants — which many “religious modesty fanatics” – say are immodest on women. The message given here by Pope St. Nicholas I – is that what is worn on the outside is not indicative of a person’s holiness. Clothes are neutral—neither impedes salvation nor leads to any increase in virtue.

You are welcome. Yes it does get tiresome dealing with “religious modesty fanatics”. They remind me of puritanical protestants.
 
You don’t reduce rape by going after their victims.
This is another error. Trying to equate modesty to rape. Man.

Modesty is a form of refinement. A way of behaving.

Instead of trying to throw a hand grenade into a discussion…not sure why you felt the need to do this…think of modesty as a way of expressing oneself charitably, that is out of love.

It’s much much closer to “tact”

If I am receiving criticism, a form of exchange, it’s only natural and charitable that the criticism is given charitably, with tact.

To apply your logic to it, the giver has absolutely no responsibility to expressing that criticism in a refined manner. Just be blunt, and the other person needs to take it like a man.

This example isn’t yet quite right or parallel, but it’s far closer than to throw the over used, rape grenade into a discussion.
 
A woman should dress modestly out of obedience, not to mention love for, the Church that Christ taught.
 

You are welcome. Yes it does get tiresome dealing with “religious modesty fanatics”. They remind me of puritanical protestants.
A thought suddenly came to my mind. Isn’t it true that St. Joan was initially derided because all the people saw was a girl (a teenage girl)? (Even worse, she pretended to be a man!)

And yet, her appearance had no bearing at all on her success on the battlefield.

Honestly, anybody who thinks that we have to go back all the way to Eden just to stop judging people by appearances needs to add more color to his brain. Having a mind that’s all black and white is what’s really unrealistic here.
 
Nope you’re a hypocrite all right. Again, please read a dictionary.

Underlined emphasis is mine.
Sorry…even dictionaries are catching up to our mental laziness.

Classically:

“Hypocrisy is the state of pretending to have beliefs, opinions, virtues, feelings, qualities, or standards that one does not actually have. Hypocrisy involves the deception of others and is thus a kind of lie.”
 
But you know, I wouldn’t mind finding more equally reputable sources to prove my point.

How is this from Blessed Pope John Paul II.
Pope John Paul II ----- in Love and Responsibility:
While we are on the subject of dress and its relevance to the problem of modesty and immodesty it is worth drawing attention to the functional significance of differences in attire. There are certain objective situations in which even total nudity of the body is not immodest, since the proper function of nakedness in this context is not to provoke a reaction to the person as an object for enjoyment, and in just the same way the functions of particular forms of attire may vary. Thus, the body may be partially bared for physical labour, for bathing, or for a medical examination. If then we wish to pass a moral judgment on particular forms of dress we have to start from the particular functions which they serve. When a person uses such a form of dress in accordance with its objective function we cannot claim to see anything immodest in it, even if it involves partial nudity. Whereas the use of such a costume outside its proper context is immodest, and is inevitably felt to be so.
For example, there is nothing immodest about the use of a bathing costume at a bathing place, but to wear it in the street or while out for a walk is contrary to the dictates of modesty.
 
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