Top Catholic Schools Voice Support for Same-Sex "Marriage"

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I think there is a simple reason why the majority of the younger generation support this - they’re either not religious, or, if they are, were not very well catechised and don’t well understand the basic pillars of the Christian faith.

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Keep praying everyone. For the youth of this country, the adults, politicians. Everyone. For God’s Will to be revealed to them, and for them to have an understanding of this issue beyond buzz-phrases like “love is love.”
 
That phrase “evolve with the times” always makes me cringe. Truth is truth. Marriage is between one man and one woman. Being someone in their late 20s it’s a tidal wave among those my age and younger. They’ve had these ideas pounded into their head that all types of love are equal and this in turn equals some type of sexual activity. The concept of “love the sinner, hate the sin” doesn’t compute. The left has moved the goalposts so much where if you don’t fully accept same sex “marriage” etc. then you are a bigot and can’t truly be accepting of a homosexual person. I have a good friend who is gay and celibate (he introduced me to the Extraordinary Form). He also does not believe in same sex “marriage”. Needless to say he does not fit in well with the “community”. I always remind myself that even though the government calls it “marriage” it is not in the eyes of God.
 
They won’t get far if their employees decide on SSM.

Hope they are looking for new work.

It’s a test Curious Mike. I bet they will take unfair dismissal to trial. But under our Law, it’s legal for the Church to sack them

I so hope the Church stands up to this.
 
That phrase “evolve with the times” always makes me cringe. Truth is truth.
Truth may be truth but whose “truth”? Much of what believers have come to believe they “know” as truth is based on faith. And there are other faith communities whose understandings have evolved on homosexuality. And in the times the Bible was written, women were not to speak in churches. Most have evolved on that as just one example. In the article, Xavier College’s, Father Chris Middleton, said understandings of marriage even within the Catholic Church have evolved with the times, in areas such as arranged marriages and the role of women. While I don’t expect the Catholic Church to change its teachings, human beings with finite minds evolving and being open to new and growing understandings of an infinite God along their journeys doesn’t make me cringe. I can understand though why it would make a faithful Catholic cringe.
 
I was hoping my old school would have been among them, but alas. Hopefully they will in time
 
For a Catholic priest to speak publicly in favor of same-sex “marriage” is very grave matter. We should all pray for the Church, bishops, and clergy of Australia. They are under attack.
 
‘Do not be conformed to this world’ Rom 12:2, ESV footnote says the Greek term is ‘age’. I know it’s not a translation favoured by Catholics but the footnote does provide some extra context.
 
That phrase “evolve with the times” always makes me cringe. Truth is truth. Marriage is between one man and one woman. Being someone in their late 20s it’s a tidal wave among those my age and younger. They’ve had these ideas pounded into their head that all types of love are equal and this in turn equals some type of sexual activity. The concept of “love the sinner, hate the sin” doesn’t compute. The left has moved the goalposts so much where if you don’t fully accept same sex “marriage” etc. then you are a bigot and can’t truly be accepting of a homosexual person. I have a good friend who is gay and celibate (he introduced me to the Extraordinary Form). He also does not believe in same sex “marriage”. Needless to say he does not fit in well with the “community”. I always remind myself that even though the government calls it “marriage” it is not in the eyes of God.
Well said.
 
While I don’t expect the Catholic Church to change its teachings, human beings with finite minds evolving and being open to new and growing understandings of an infinite God along their journeys doesn’t make me cringe. I can understand though why it would make a faithful Catholic cringe.
I’m a faithful Catholic and it doesn’t make me cringe. It’s ironic that we have an entire thread lamenting about how heterosexual couples don’t want to get married anymore, and what can we do to change this, and in the same breath people think it’s the end of the world as we know it that gay people who love each other want to get married. And they’re not even asking to get married in the Church, they’re asking to get civilly married.

I respect the fact that many others on this forum do think this is a serious problem even if I don’t, but I also respect the opinions of some other Catholics who are less concerned or even supportive of gay marriage. When I roll out of bed in the morning and think about all the horrors facing humanity, including war, violence, poverty, abortion, man’s inhumanity to man in general and our poor stewardship of the planet, gay marriage is not even on the list of anything I’m concerned about.

Now if the Church did an about-face on something like abortion, and stated that it was okay to painfully end a life, THEN I would cringe. Hopefully that will never happen.
 
If they are monogamous and live by the precepts of the church…“who am I to judge?” I think someone famous said that!
 
I’m a faithful Catholic and it doesn’t make me cringe. It’s ironic that we have an entire thread lamenting about how heterosexual couples don’t want to get married anymore, and what can we do to change this, and in the same breath people think it’s the end of the world as we know it that gay people who love each other want to get married. And they’re not even asking to get married in the Church, they’re asking to get civilly married.
But I think there’s a nuance that’s often missed on this issue: I’m not trying to stop them from getting married, but I don’t want the government to say that they are (and I don’t believe they are married regardless).

I realize we’re not going to return to a situation where the government says “Gay marriage is not valid marriage” … but why can’t the government simply be neutral on the question?
 
I’m a faithful Catholic and it doesn’t make me cringe. It’s ironic that we have an entire thread lamenting about how heterosexual couples don’t want to get married anymore, and what can we do to change this,
I’m sure kicking ‘marriage’ while it’s down is really going to help. Lets trash it even more, may as well finish it off. 🤷

Sr Lucia of Fatima said that the final battle will be over marriage and the family.
and in the same breath people think it’s the end of the world as we know it that gay people who love each other want to get married. And they’re not even asking to get married in the Church, they’re asking to get civilly married.
There is no reason for the government to be involved in ‘marriage’ except for the timeless truth that a man and a woman produce new life and it is incumbent of society to encourage that union for the good of the spouses and children that are born of the fruit of that union.
I respect the fact that many others on this forum do think this is a serious problem even if I don’t, but I also respect the opinions of some other Catholics who are less concerned or even supportive of gay marriage.
I do not respect those who claim to follow Christ and are supportive of it. I think some of them are seriously naïve on this issue (like yourself) and in those cases I do have sympathy for them, but am very upset that the movement against Christ is being supported and strengthened by those who claim to follow Him. 😦
When I roll out of bed in the morning and think about all the horrors facing humanity, including war, violence, poverty, abortion, man’s inhumanity to man in general and our poor stewardship of the planet, gay marriage is not even on the list of anything I’m concerned about.
It will be. Especially when your kids (or grandkids) are being indoctrinated with this LGBTIQ ideology in schools and anyone who even speaks of the true teachings of Christ on marriage and the family are demonized and accused of being haters, bigots and akin to the KKK.

Gay marriage feeds into IVF and Surrogacy which in turn feeds into Abortion btw.

I hope this has helped

God Bless

Thank you for reading
Josh
 
It’s really sad to see this happening, especially with priests, those who are supposed to be pastors of souls. It’s no wonder then that we see the trickle down effect of apathy (or even support) among lay Catholics on this issue, as is evident here.

The first problem is relativism: “Truth may be truth but whose ‘truth’?” You can’t find a more nonsensical statement than that, and it’s something that isn’t echoed only by secular humanists and atheists, but by an increasing amount of people that have been baptized, and still consider themselves, Catholic. “You have your truth, I have my truth, and they have their truth”, we often hear. Except all you have are opinions, not truth. The word “truth”, in the 21st century, has been reduced to that of a personal view or an opinion. How sad…

Then, we are constantly told (as we’ve also seen in this thread) that many Christian’s views have “evolved” on state sanctioned homosexual marriage and whether or not homosexual actions are morally right. The word “evolve” denotes that someone or something is progressing to something better. Wouldn’t it be more accurate to say that such religions and people who no longer see anything wrong with homosexual acts and attempts by those of the same sex to marry have in fact “devolved”. This has nothing to do with women “not being allowed to speak in churches”, as it’s clear some have completely misunderstood that verse from St. Paul, and have set up a strawman.

No, this has everything to do with natural law, and one doesn’t need to use the Bible or Tradition to have a convincing argument that state sanctioned same sex marriage does nothing to help society, and in fact, hurts marriage by making the definition of “marriage” completely nebulous. It definitely makes me cringe to think that my children have to grow up in a society (sadly, composed of apathetic or SSM supportive Catholics) that thinks a marriage between a man and a woman is on the same level as that of a solemnized relationship between a man and a man; that there is no distinction between either.

I in no way respect the opinions of Catholics, such as this priest in the OP, who support state sanctioned same sex marriage. I respect their right to have an opinion, but the opinion they themselves hold is disgusting, and they should be ashamed to hold it, especially if they are a pastor of souls.

Now, if the Church did an about-face on something like the attempt of two men or two women to marry, and stated that it was permissible and/or good for such persons to solemnize a union and that such activity that took place, I would cringe. I wonder if most self-professed Catholic Christians today would do the same, though. I would cringe because not only is this spiritually dangerous for a person (sexual activity outside of marriage is gravely sinful), but, especially in the case of men who have sex with men (because we can safely say that such a “marriage” includes sexual activity), there are dangers to physical health. I don’t think there are many things more cringe worthy than the tearing of the sphincter or the extremely heightened risk of contracting HIV, to which men who have left that active lifestyle can attest to.

Even if we presuppose that such people are monogamous (a judgement in itself), how can one be said to be living in accord with the Church if they engage in fornication? I can understand secularists not getting this, but Catholic Christians? It’s a testament to how we really need that renewal of catechesis that our last three popes have explicitly called for. But as we can see by the rise of the “nones”, apathy is winning the day. As William Lloyd Garrison was quoted to say, “The apathy of the people is enough to make every statue leap from its pedestal and hasten the resurrection of the dead.” And for those that have done a complete 180, and proclaim same-sex state sanctioned marriages a moral good, it would seem that St. Paul’s warning to St. Timothy can be applied to our current day:
…preach the word, be urgent in season and out of season, convince, rebuke, and exhort, be unfailing in patience and in teaching. For the time is coming when people will not endure sound teaching, but having itching ears they will accumulate for themselves teachers to suit their own likings, and will turn away from listening to the truth and wander into myths. (2 Tim. 4:2-4)
 
It’s a grave sin to be actively living in homosexual lifestyle.

How can any Catholic believe it’s not important to speak out against it because other grave sins exist?

That’s like saying pancreatic cancer needs chemotherapy but leukemia should be tolerated.
 
but why can’t the government simply be neutral on the question?
Because the only reason government has anything to do with ‘marriage’ is because of the ability for a man and a woman to produce new life, to produce families, and it is incumbent on them to encourage the union of spouses for the good of themselves and the children that are born of the fruit of their union.

There is mountains of data talking about the detrimental results when kids are denied their biological mother or father. Sometimes through tragedy, sometimes through divorce (which has been increasing), now through IVF and surrogacy (so called same sex marriage) and this is done intentionally from the get go and argued as ‘equal’ which makes it especially wrong.

I hope this has helped

God Bless You

Thank you for reading
Josh
 
For a Catholic priest to speak publicly in favor of same-sex “marriage” is very grave matter. We should all pray for the Church, bishops, and clergy of Australia. They are under attack.
Thank you.

God Bless You

Josh
 
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