Top Catholic Schools Voice Support for Same-Sex "Marriage"

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Actually reading the article, which I glanced over initially. The Priest who has spoken out is discussing how to tackle this issue.

He says young people in his school population view things a little differently. And it is using those views to tackle discussing the vote.

He has a good point.

So on reflection I believe the headline is incorrect.

It should read , how to talk to young people about SSM, in their language.

Billy , my son is a millennial. He and his friends will all be voting no. And not through Church teachings. Their no vote is based on it’s just wrong.
 
On the contrary. If anything, I’d say that supporting state sanctioned same-sex marriage is being conformed to this world. The world says it’s A-OK! The Church has taught us that the world is wrong, in that regard.

Actually… it’s kind of old. About 2,000 years old to be precise. Ya know, like that time when Jesus initiated the New Covenant and asked us to spread His Gospel message?

This false dichotomy has to stop. Many of those that support state sanctioned SSM equate one’s opposition to such attempts at marriage to be a denial of love; that the opponent of SSM does not see those people who are attracted to the same sex as fully human or created in the image of God. Rubbish! Of course such people are deserving of love! Of course they are seen as human! To suggest otherwise is ridiculous and unfounded.

I can love someone dearly (like my family members and friends that are attracted to the same sex) but at the same time hold that their actions are not in accord with God’s will, and that those same actions are not in accord with the way the Church has revealed we should live our lives so that we may one day be with our Lord in Paradise. The same holds true for my friends and family that are cohabiting, or that are addicted to illegal drugs as well. I love them all, because that’s what Christ told us to do millennia ago.

It’s not a new or novel idea to see such persons as fully human or deserving of love.
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Anti-gay attitudes have been prevalent for much of human history. If anything I’d say that being homophobic is being conformed to this world.

Seeing every person as fully human and deserving of love is kind of new unfortunately, you might say it’s otherworldly.
By stating marriage is between a man and a women is now homophobia?
Merely not accepting certain political opinions is now hate.
 
Christ’s truth may not change but interpretations and understandings among humankind certainly have. I fail to see how “truth may be truth” is relativism or a nonsensical statement. It’s not so much a case of truth being relative when there can only be one truth. ** But the question again remains whose?** And that is something we truly will not know til our life on this earth ends. In the meantime we walk by faith. Catholics have their beliefs and others have theirs. Incidentally the Catholic Church itself considers those baptized or confirmed within the Catholic Church as Catholics too. Peace.
Christ’s truth. He just answered you and you repeat the question. :confused:
 
Christ’s truth. He just answered you and you repeat the question. :confused:
There’s no need to be confused about why I repeated the question. Christ’s truth is not interpreted or understood the same by all. I understand however you speak from a Catholic understanding and perspective.
 
There’s no need to be confused about why I repeated the question. Christ’s truth is not interpreted or understood the same by all. I understand however you speak from a Catholic understanding and perspective.
Christ’s truth doesn’t change because some people claim to not understand it. 😉
 
The first problem is relativism: “Truth may be truth but whose ‘truth’?” You can’t find a more nonsensical statement than that, and it’s something that isn’t echoed only by secular humanists and atheists, but by an increasing amount of people that have been baptized, and still consider themselves, Catholic. “You have your truth, I have my truth, and they have their truth”, we often hear. Except all you have are opinions, not truth. The word “truth”, in the 21st century, has been reduced to that of a personal view or an opinion. How sad…
I think Catholic13 made a good point. Interpretations can be wrong, where as truth is truth. There can’t be several truths, because Christ is the truth. Any interpretation or understanding that distorts that truth no longer can be called “a truth”; such an interpretation is called “a falsehood” or “a lie”.

The laws and teachings of Jesus Christ, with the inauguration of the New Covenant, can’t be reduced down to an art piece or music; those can have different interpretations. Christ’s Commandments cannot. Everything, all of the law, stems from those two Commandments: love the Lord your God with all your heart and soul, and love one another. The Church, which Jesus promised us, further defines how we more perfectly love one another. How does turning the institution of marriage on its head help us love one in another, as Christ commanded? More specifically, how can that agape love be found in turning marriage into something with no boundaries?

So when I say your statement was “nonsensical”, I meant the entire sentence. Not just, “Truth may be truth”, but “Truth may be truth but whose ‘truth’?” The bolded part is what I had the biggest problem with, and is what I think makes the statement nonsensical. Yes, we cannot absolutely know the truth until we pass from this world, but, indeed, this is why we walk by faith, and not by sight. To have faith in someone means you have trust in that someone. I have trust in what Jesus was recorded to have said in the Gospels; I have trust in the Church Fathers; I have trust in the successors of those Apostles and Church Fathers that have handed down the Catholic faith since 33 A.D. I have more trust in these people than I do anything else, especially since one of those people (Jesus) is God Himself.

So yes, we all have our beliefs, but beliefs that contradict each other cannot all be “truths”. That’s a contradiction; it’s nonsensical. Something isn’t true because it comes from a Catholic understanding or a Catholic perspective; it’s true because it’s true. Simple as that. any deviation from the truth, as I mentioned before, is a falsehood or a lie. Or, at best, a misunderstanding. Neither of those three things, though, can rightly be called “truth”.

So when you say “but whose truth?”, that means that we’re already presupposing everyone’s claim is true in some way, or that it’s “their truth”. That makes no sense. Every single religion can theoretically be wrong. Every single religion (or to narrow the scope, every single Christian sect) cannot be right. You and I, in our understanding of same-sex sexual activity can both be wrong. However, you and I cannot both be right. I do not have “my truth” and you do not have “your truth”; there’s no such thing. There is only the truth, and everything else contrary to that is falsehood.

For those that are searching, they have to decide who is credible. Are Joseph Smith’s claims credible? Are Mohammed’s claim’s credible? Are the Apostles of Jesus Christ credible? Is Martin Luther credible? Is Robert Bellarmine credible? If we find that one of these people are, we place our faith and trust in them. That doesn’t mean that each of them hold the truth. I for one, believe Jesus Christ when He proclaimed He was “the way the truth, and the life”. Therefore, I believe He was also telling the truth when He said He’d send the Holy Spirit to safeguard the truth:
[W]hen the Counselor comes, whom I shall send to you from the Father, even the Spirit of truth, who proceeds from the Father, he will bear witness to me; …I have yet many things to say to you, but you cannot bear them now. When the Spirit of truth comes, he will guide you into all the truth; for he will not speak on his own authority, but whatever he hears he will speak, and he will declare to you the things that are to come. (Jn. 15:26, 16:12-13)
So in turn, I believe that this charism guides the Magisterium today, and I believe that what the Church has proclaimed regarding the sinfulness of sexual activity outside of actual marriage is true. I stake my life on it. Others may stake their life on something else entirely different. However, only one can rightly be called “truth”.
 
I think Catholic13 made a good point. Interpretations can be wrong, where as truth is truth. There can’t be several truths, because Christ is the truth. Any interpretation or understanding that distorts that truth no longer can be called “a truth”; such an interpretation is called “a falsehood” or “a lie”.

The laws and teachings of Jesus Christ, with the inauguration of the New Covenant, can’t be reduced down to an art piece or music; those can have different interpretations. Christ’s Commandments cannot. Everything, all of the law, stems from those two Commandments: love the Lord your God with all your heart and soul, and love one another. The Church, which Jesus promised us, further defines how we more perfectly love one another. How does turning the institution of marriage on its head help us love one in another, as Christ commanded? More specifically, how can that agape love be found in turning marriage into something with no boundaries?

So when I say your statement was “nonsensical”, I meant the entire sentence. Not just, “Truth may be truth”, but “Truth may be truth but whose ‘truth’?” The bolded part is what I had the biggest problem with, and is what I think makes the statement nonsensical. Yes, we cannot absolutely know the truth until we pass from this world, but, indeed, this is why we walk by faith, and not by sight. To have faith in someone means you have trust in that someone. I have trust in what Jesus was recorded to have said in the Gospels; I have trust in the Church Fathers; I have trust in the successors of those Apostles and Church Fathers that have handed down the Catholic faith since 33 A.D. I have more trust in these people than I do anything else, especially since one of those people (Jesus) is God Himself.

So yes, we all have our beliefs, but beliefs that contradict each other cannot all be “truths”. That’s a contradiction; it’s nonsensical. Something isn’t true because it comes from a Catholic understanding or a Catholic perspective; it’s true because it’s true. Simple as that. any deviation from the truth, as I mentioned before, is a falsehood or a lie. Or, at best, a misunderstanding. Neither of those three things, though, can rightly be called “truth”.

So when you say “but whose truth?”, that means that we’re already presupposing everyone’s claim is true in some way, or that it’s “their truth”. That makes no sense. Every single religion can theoretically be wrong. Every single religion (or to narrow the scope, every single Christian sect) cannot be right. You and I, in our understanding of same-sex sexual activity can both be wrong. However, you and I cannot both be right. I do not have “my truth” and you do not have “your truth”; there’s no such thing. There is only the truth, and everything else contrary to that is falsehood.

For those that are searching, they have to decide who is credible. Are Joseph Smith’s claims credible? Are Mohammed’s claim’s credible? Are the Apostles of Jesus Christ credible? Is Martin Luther credible? Is Robert Bellarmine credible? If we find that one of these people are, we place our faith and trust in them. That doesn’t mean that each of them hold the truth. I for one, believe Jesus Christ when He proclaimed He was “the way the truth, and the life”. Therefore, I believe He was also telling the truth when He said He’d send the Holy Spirit to safeguard the truth:

So in turn, I believe that this charism guides the Magisterium today, and I believe that what the Church has proclaimed regarding the sinfulness of sexual activity outside of actual marriage is true. I stake my life on it. Others may stake their life on something else entirely different. However, only one can rightly be called “truth”.
I actually don’t think we disagree all that much. Everyone can’t be right. Everyone could even be wrong on something. On this earth who knows without faith and without placing faith in other humans. Peace along your walk. Brightest blessings!
 
37 Pilate asked him, “So you are a king?” Jesus answered, “You say that I am a king. For this I was born, and for this I came into the world, to testify to the truth. Everyone who belongs to the truth listens to my voice.”

38 Pilate asked him, “What is truth?

Listen to Jesus, or listen to society. Each of us choose.
 
37 Pilate asked him, “So you are a king?” Jesus answered, “You say that I am a king. For this I was born, and for this I came into the world, to testify to the truth. Everyone who belongs to the truth listens to my voice.”

38 Pilate asked him, “What is truth?

Listen to Jesus, or listen to society. Each of us choose.
There are different interpretations and understandings of Jesus’ voice among believers and faith communities though.
 
Why do people support non-marital marriage? Maybe for the same reason some support transgenderism. A man cannot be a woman, but if it pleases him to pretend that unreality is reality, who am I to point to reality? A same sex marriage cannot be conjugal, cannot be marital, cannot be marriage. But if it pleases people to pretend that the impossible is possible, why disturb them with reality? We live in an age of unreality.
 
There are different interpretations and understandings of Jesus’ voice among believers and faith communities though.
Yes, it is up to each Christian to choose between following whichever teacher tickles our ears, or investigating who was given the authority by Christ to teach.
 
There are different interpretations and understandings of Jesus’ voice among believers and faith communities though.
And there were different understandings and interpretations of the ‘Messiah’ among the Jews too.

Just last weeks reading -
Matthew 16:13-20:
Peter’s Declaration about Jesus

13 Now when Jesus came into the district of Caesare′a Philippi, he asked his disciples, “Who do men say that the Son of man is?” 14 And they said, “Some say John the Baptist, others say Eli′jah, and others Jeremiah or one of the prophets.” 15 He said to them, “But who do you say that I am?” 16 Simon Peter replied, “You are the Christ, the Son of the living God.” 17 And Jesus answered him, “Blessed are you, Simon Bar-Jona! For flesh and blood has not revealed this to you, but my Father who is in heaven. 18 And I tell you, you are Peter, and on this rock I will build my church, and the powers of death shall not prevail against it. 19 I will give you the keys of the kingdom of heaven, and whatever you bind on earth shall be bound in heaven, and whatever you loose on earth shall be loosed in heaven.” 20 Then he strictly charged the disciples to tell no one that he was the Christ.
What your espousing is relativism and unfortunately it leads right into Pontius Pilate, who in the end, just gave into the voices of the crowd.

Just like with abortion, those who say a woman has the right to choose, are like Pontius Pilate, who wash their hands of it, and say ‘I am innocent of this blood’.

Yet as we will forever say in the creed ‘Suffered under Pontius Pilate’

Thank you for reading
Josh
 
So they send their kids to a Catholic School and then they are ‘outraged’ at what the Church teaches about marriage and family?

Did you also watch the small clip in that link trying to say that the ‘no’ campaign ad was ‘misleading’?

It was not misleading at all, the ‘no’ campaign ad was 100% correct, all anyone has to do is look at the Safe Schools content that is in Schools to prove it. I can prove everything they said in that short, and mild ‘no’ campaign ad.
“I believe it is highly inappropriate for the school to be publishing a political issue on a public platform.
Sounds a lot like Nazi Germany’s accusations toward the Church. Abortion is also a ‘political issue’ it is also under the 5th commandment which say’s ‘thou shalt not kill’

I hope this has helped

God Bless You

Thank you for reading
Josh
 
Same-sex marriage: Public money to fund Yes campaign in ACT
abc.net.au/news/2017-08-17/act-chief-minister-pushes-publicly-funded-same-sex-yes-campaign/8816478

And yet they are highlighting and condemning a notice in a newsletter from a (I assume Catholic by the name, or Christian) School asking for a ‘no’ vote while turning a blind eye to public tax payer funding for the ‘yes’ campaign.

Arghh, what can I say about such sly and dishonest people. :dts:

And to think one had to fight tooth and nail just for the people to get a say (They didn’t get a say when Safe Schools was forced onto them through a radical gender theory and sexual program targeted at kids disguised as some kind of ‘anti bullying’ program… how deceptive), something which should be a basic given in a democratic society.

Even asking for your right to vote ‘no’ to same sex marriage is according to labor, ‘Hate Speech’ to be shut down and condemned.

“For the sake of His sorrowful passion, have mercy on us and on the whole world”

God Bless

Thank you for reading
Josh
 
Yes, it is up to each Christian to choose between following whichever teacher tickles our ears, or investigating who was given the authority by Christ to teach.
Probably not everyone born into their faith communities, but yes I imagine there are even Protestants who have investigated and have come to a different conclusion or interpretation of who was given or has authority.
 
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