Toronto Catholic School Board Pro-Gay Harassment Policy Threatens Priests

[Elric]

And homosexuality can also refer to just the attraction which is also not sinful so to make a blanket statement that homosexuality is isnful is not correct. Only the behavior is. Yet there are alot worse sins than that even.

If you say so. Personally I think that you are just nit picking.

It was my understanding that sin is sin, but even so this thread isnt about sin. Its about respecting other peoples beliefs, even if they are opposed to your own.

 

[bones_IV]

And God won’t judge me unfavorably for being attracted to my own gender.

We are talking about homosexuality and the affects it has on people.

Yet alot of people here have already made that judgement.

Who? Who’s judging you? Can you be more specific?

Which makes me wonder how God will judge the hypocrites who insist that any hint of homsexual attraction is also a sin. It won’t be me to judge.

Not again. :tsktsk: It’s against the rules to question the sincerity of other people’s beliefs.

 

[Dauphin]

If you think this is bad, I can tell you some real horror stories from the “Catholic” schools here in Canada…

Yeah… I came out of the Catholic school system not knowing what the Eucharist was. I sincerely hope that these “Catholic” schools get secularized.

 

[bones_IV]

To say homosexual attractions is sinful is to say I am sinning just by my existence.

To accuse the Church of saying that homosexuals are sinning by their own existence is a blatant falsehood. :tsktsk:

You shouldn’t judge other people.

 

[jdnation]

Homosexuality is an impulse, like temptation, to do what is wrong and to sin.

It is not a sin to have a homosexual attraction, nor is it a sin to be tempted to do something wrong… however both homosexuality and temptation are undesirable and we often cannot stop them from entering our mind.

But we can control our actions. We can either give in to homosexuality or to temptation and sin, or control ourselves by our will and do what is right or avoid doing what is wrong.

But do note that to deliberately welcome homosexuality into your live or even to entertain thoughts of temptation is itself a sin! Christ had strong words for us when He said that whoever hates his brother commits murder and whoever so much as lusts after another is an adulterer. You cannot control when temptations come to you… but what you do with it once it does is your responsibility.

What that boy did by taking his date to the prom wasn’t any innocent thing but a blatant disregard for Church teachings and flaunting his rebellion against Catholic morality by doing something that fosters a homosexual attraction and lifestyle even if it wasn’t sexual intercourse. He encourages a transition towards it when we should avoid it and temptations altogether by cutting it off from us at the root.

 

[KathleenElsie]

Are the schools you are refering to supported with public money? As someone from Pennsylvania I am confused about if these schools are considered public, private or religious.

 

[Dauphin]

Are the schools you are refering to supported with public money? As someone from Pennsylvania I am confused about if these schools are considered public, private or religious.

The Catholic schools are government-funded. They follow the exact same curriculum as the public schools. They are, however, “religious”. There’s a crucifix in every classroom, some schools have nuns, and religion classes are mandatory. It’s really just a facade, though. Most of the education you receive isn’t remotely Catholic, and any Catholic education you do receive is so modernist it could be deemed heresy.

 

[Lost_Found]

The Catholic schools are government-funded. They follow the exact same curriculum as the public schools. They are, however, “religious”. There’s a crucifix in every classroom, some schools have nuns, and religion classes are mandatory. It’s really just a facade, though. Most of the education you receive isn’t remotely Catholic, and any Catholic education you do receive is so modernist it could be deemed heresy.

Sad, but accurate. It’s the blind leading the blind - the teaching generation wasn’t taught anything either, so they’re clueless as well.

The catechism and modern-day encyclicals are a blessing.

The day will return in the not-so-distant future when many more will appreciate their Catholic faith. The giant will awake from its sleep.

 

[KathleenElsie]

Sad, but accurate. It’s the blind leading the blind - the teaching generation wasn’t taught anything either, so they’re clueless as well.

The catechism and modern-day encyclicals are a blessing.

The day will return in the not-so-distant future when many more will appreciate their Catholic faith. The giant will awake from its sleep.

Thank you for the information.

The Bishop here has said he is going to look into the “catholic” schools and see if they are truly Catholic or really just private schools. We home school so it does not matter much to us.

 

[KCT]

Didn’t read all the posts but don’t Catholic schools in Canada receive government funding?

Here in the states, if you accept gov’t money, the gov’t can call the shots. —KCT

 

[goofyjim]

Didn’t read all the posts but don’t Catholic schools in Canada receive government funding?

Here in the states, if you accept gov’t money, the gov’t can call the shots. —KCT

Which I fully expect is okay. If the Catholic schools want their own set of rules they do it on their own money not the government.

 

[Dauphin]

Which I fully expect is okay. If the Catholic schools want their own set of rules they do it on their own money not the government.

The Catholic schools are autonomous with respect the things like this. The government hasn’t imposed any rules in this case. All they can do is change the curriculum. The Catholic board itself has decided to go out of its way to muzzle any genuinely Catholic teachers and orthodox priests from speaking truths which may ‘humiliate’ others.

 

[goofyjim]

The Catholic schools are autonomous with respect the things like this. The government hasn’t imposed any rules in this case. All they can do is change the curriculum. The Catholic board itself has decided to go out of its way to muzzle any genuinely Catholic teachers and orthodox priests from speaking truths which may ‘humiliate’ others.

That’s what I like about the US. We don’t give government money to any private schools and those schools in turn can set their own rules. No conflicts whatsoever. I do love separation of church and state.

 

[Dauphin]

That’s what I like about the US. We don’t give government money to any private schools and those schools in turn can set their own rules. No conflicts whatsoever. I do love separation of church and state.

The story really isn’t about separation of church and state, though. It’s about a “Catholic” school board deliberately trying to suppress Catholic truth. The government is not involved.

 

[DanB]

The Pope predicted that the Church would be significantly smaller! He’s a prophet of God.

I hope we start hearing of some excommunications, Aay, these Canadians, aay, really need to go! Aay! Aay, no morals, aay, ya need to be checkin out! Aay!!

 

[goofyjim]

I hope we start hearing of some excommunications, Aay, these Canadians, aay, really need to go! Aay! Aay, no morals, aay, ya need to be checkin out! Aay!!

We could just as easily excommunicate some ultrarightwingers as well. I don’t think it’s called for.

 

[DanB]

We could just as easily excommunicate some ultrarightwingers as well. I don’t think it’s called for.

If a priest or catechists quotes the Catechism of the Catholic Church when it’s says that Homosexual lifestyle isn’t natural and have to worry about that offending a person of that sexual orientation, then I hope they get fired with a smile on their face. I know I’d be standing up for the Faith and Moral code of the Church.
I don’t think Jesus asked us to be tolerant of everything. Although he was compassionate to the prostitute, he also told her to go and sin no more.

 

[goofyjim]

If a priest or catechists quotes the Catechism of the Catholic Church when it’s says that Homosexual lifestyle isn’t natural and have to worry about that offending a person of that sexual orientation, then I hope they get fired with a smile on their face. I know I’d be standing up for the Faith and Moral code of the Church.
I don’t think Jesus asked us to be tolerant of everything. Although he was compassionate to the prostitute, he also told her to go and sin no more.

But to fire for the orientation when the person doesn’t disclose it publicly but it is found out elsewhere is plain character assasination. If they are not living the lifestyle there is no moral wrong done. I stand for the faith and moral conduct as well. There is too much fear of this topic. It has been around since the beginning and will persist unitl the end. I assumed the Church aslo preached that any unjust discrimination against those with jsut the orientation is also unfair. I’m tired of it all. I’m going to bed.

 

[bones_IV]

But to fire for the orientation when the person doesn’t disclose it publicly but it is found out elsewhere is plain character assasination.

Homosexuality scandalizes people and causes them to sin.

If they are not living the lifestyle there is no moral wrong done. I stand for the faith and moral conduct as well.

Ah, but you said,

There is too much fear of this topic.

Tell me goofyjim, why is quoting the Catechism on homosexuality is a sign of homophobia?

I assumed the Church aslo preached that any unjust discrimination against those with just the orientation is also unfair.

Because those who practice the gay lifestyle are not suitable role models.

 

[Elric]

Homosexuality scandalizes people and causes them to sin.

No, that is not accurate in the slightest.