Traditional OF + current state of SSPX

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Will there ever be hope for a Traditional Novus Ordo becoming the norm? Is there any parishes were this Mass is even implemented? What/if the SSPX comes back into the fold, what effects should we expect to Summorum Pontificum and the FSSP/ICKSP?
 
It’s the Mass we have today except it celebrated ad Orientam with communion rails and parts of the Mass is spoken in Latin.
 
The newer crop of younger priests are rediscovering a lot of the beautiful traditions of the Church. More and more, I see parishes making small adaptions to make their churches more beautiful and to increase the reverence of the Liturgy. It’s a slow process, but little changes add up.

I don’t think the possibility of the SSPX regularizing it’s situation will really change much for the Church as a whole. But, it would add many priests and laity back into the fold who could do many great things for the Church. So that’s a plus.
 
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The traditional groups don’t have any desire to use the new missal.
It is a lot more than saying it in Latin or in ad orientem.
 
I think your confusing my separate questions by mushing them together. I’m talking like diosecen level mainstream Catholicism. The SSPX thing is separate all together
 
There are places where the entire OF Mass is celebrated ad orietem in Latin (except for the readings and homily) and have all these other things plus more. There are also parishes that simply do not want that.
 
The NO lends itself to much fanagaling. But if you are looking for a “hybrid” mass it doesnt exist. It really couldn’t.
But there are places where traditional elements exist. I have no idea what the SSPX has to do with anything “novus ordo” at all!
 
Is the question what effects the SSPX would have on the SP or the FSSP? If so I can’t imagine what the effects would be. I don’t think anyone could. While I do think the SSPX would offer value to the Church and is needed desperately, I can’t imagine how it would effect those two things…
 
Yeah no can. Just pure speculation for the sake of good conversation
 
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The NO lends itself to much fanagaling. But if you are looking for a “hybrid” mass it doesnt exist. It really couldn’t.
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The closest he could get would be some version of the Mass between 1964 and 1968. I have very vague memories of this Mass being celebrated ad orientem, with parts in Latin and parts in English. (I was a preschooler/ kindergartener at the time. I do not recall a communion rail in use but I did see priests using the communion rail at OF Masses in the 1970s so it could be done.
 
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What/if the SSPX comes back into the fold, what effects should we expect to Summorum Pontificum and the FSSP/ICKSP?
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I think this is very hard to predict.

Some reports indicate that Pope Francis wants to turn the SSPX into an Personal Ordinariate like the Anglican Use ordinariates.

Others report he wants to turn it into a Personal Prelature like Ops Dei.

If either of those are true, I don’t know what that means. Will Pope Francis encourage all diocesan EF masses (not FSSP or other religious orders/societies) to fall under the SSPX?

I hope not, but I could see him doing that the same way he expanded the role of the Anglican ordinariates and encouraged all all Anglican Use Parishes to join the ordinariates.

Today, only a few Parishes that are mixed rite celebrate the Anglicans Use mass outside of the ordinariates.
 
That’s one of my gripes about the Vatican II reforms to the liturgy, you now have options, options, options. Go from one Catholic parish to the next and the liturgy is never the same.

One of the strengths of the Catholic Church in the old days was our universality. You’d go to any Catholic Church and the Tridentine liturgy was the same!

Go to any Traditional Latin Mass parish and all their liturgies are the same.

In my opinion the Church really needs to settle on a universal form of liturgy. We need to return to universalism. Without it you have splinters and fractures within the Church, and we’re seeing this clearly today where the liturgy is endlessly debated, “how is the Ordinary Form best celebrated?” Not to mention you have camps of Catholics who are either traditionalist, or “novus ordo” as they say.

As for SSPX, I don’t trust them. I find them highly suspicious. The Vatican has been quite accommodating to traditionalist groups within the Church. When FSSP broke away from SSPX, FSSP was elevated to Pontifical Right status within three months! Many orders take 20, 30, or 40 years to achieve that. There is also ICKSP. Rome clearly cares about those who prefer the Tridentine Rite, and they’ve extended the olive branch many times to SSPX, but SSPX keeps finding excuses not to come back into full communion with Rome. I think at this point they have made being disobedient a central part of their identity, they won’t know what to go do with themselves if they come back into full communion. I feel like all their meetings with the Vatican are just a dog and pony show at this point.
 
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The mass frankly has nothing to do with what the SSPX is separated over anymore.
It is some of the teachings in some Second Vatican Council documents that seem to stray from what previous Councils and Popes said.
I hear them. And remember Athanatius was considered a heretic for 25 years! Now he is one of the greatest defenders of the faith. For all we know Lefebvre could be considered a saint someday.
 
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