Traditional? What would you call this?

[dove_of_peace]

Hello,
I am a fairly recent revert and have been having a hard time with my priest. I don’t know if it is me being too judgemental or…tell me what you think:

examples:

Last night was Holy Thursday. During the Homily he said “yes, Jesus’ body is present in the Eucharist but He is also present in each one of us and we should focus on that and try to be of service to each other…” basically glossing over the Real Presence. There was a scheduled Adoration of the Blessed Sacrament from 8pm-10pm immediately following the Mass and several parishoners (myself and my son included) waited 15 minutes for it to begin when we were told he (the priest) had decided “not to do it”- no other explanation given.

Today, during the homily for Good Friday, he started to discuss suffering. He went on to talk about how some people believe erroneously in something he calls “Apcalypticism” which is that the devil is on earth and is is responsible for suffering -but he says thatis all not true-" it is only due to the human condition" and that we should just " accept it and try to live a happy life". In fact he said, [and I quote! ]“Go out to the movies! Go see a Broadway show! Have a beer or two! or a shot of whisky! or vodka! This is the only life we have! This moment! So go live it and be happy!”

Hmmm…doesn’t seem an appropriate homily for Good Friday…but what do I know

(BTW: This is also the same priest who in my crisis over NFP counseled me to use ABC and to “not worry about it”)

Am I being scrupulous?? Is obedience and patience the answer?
thank you for your thoughts.

 

[geekborj]

Hello,
I am a fairly recent revert and have been having a hard time with my priest. I don’t know if it is me being too judgemental or…tell me what you think:

examples:

Last night was Holy Thursday. During the Homily he said “yes, Jesus’ body is present in the Eucharist but He is also present in each one of us and we should focus on that and try to be of service to each other…” basically glossing over the Real Presence. There was a scheduled Adoration of the Blessed Sacrament from 8pm-10pm immediately following the Mass and several parishoners (myself and my son included) waited 15 minutes for it to begin when we were told he (the priest) had decided “not to do it”- no other explanation given.

Today, during the homily for Good Friday, he started to discuss suffering. He went on to talk about how some people believe erroneously in something he calls “Apcalypticism” which is that the devil is on earth and is is responsible for suffering -but he says thatis all not true-" it is only due to the human condition" and that we should just " accept it and try to live a happy life". In fact he said, [and I quote! ]“Go out to the movies! Go see a Broadway show! Have a beer or two! or a shot of whisky! or vodka! This is the only life we have! This moment! So go live it and be happy!”

Hmmm…doesn’t seem an appropriate homily for Good Friday…but what do I know

(BTW: This is also the same priest who in my crisis over NFP counseled me to use ABC and to “not worry about it”)

Am I being scrupulous?? Is obedience and patience the answer?
thank you for your thoughts.

I’m also worried now. We should pray for him.

Is there any possibility of talking to him on that? Or probably your Bishop?

I think, saying that Jesus is also in each of us is just alright but placing that as a reason not to continue the thousand-years custom is just against Apostolicity and a sign of apostacy (or something like that). Indeed glossing over the Real Presence is not a good idea. God have mercy for he don’t know what he is doing!

I think the problem is on the part when he says “accept it” because we know that we should not and we instead should FOLLOW JESUS. Suffering is a result of us being sinners.

newadvent.org/cathen/05649a.htm

 

[Newzie52]

Hello,
I am a fairly recent revert and have been having a hard time with my priest. I don’t know if it is me being too judgemental or…tell me what you think:

examples:

Last night was Holy Thursday. During the Homily he said “yes, Jesus’ body is present in the Eucharist but He is also present in each one of us and we should focus on that and try to be of service to each other…” basically glossing over the Real Presence. There was a scheduled Adoration of the Blessed Sacrament from 8pm-10pm immediately following the Mass and several parishoners (myself and my son included) waited 15 minutes for it to begin when we were told he (the priest) had decided “not to do it”- no other explanation given.

Today, during the homily for Good Friday, he started to discuss suffering. He went on to talk about how some people believe erroneously in something he calls “Apcalypticism” which is that the devil is on earth and is is responsible for suffering -but he says thatis all not true-" it is only due to the human condition" and that we should just " accept it and try to live a happy life". In fact he said, [and I quote! ]“Go out to the movies! Go see a Broadway show! Have a beer or two! or a shot of whisky! or vodka! This is the only life we have! This moment! So go live it and be happy!”

Hmmm…doesn’t seem an appropriate homily for Good Friday…but what do I know

(BTW: This is also the same priest who in my crisis over NFP counseled me to use ABC and to “not worry about it”)

Am I being scrupulous?? Is obedience and patience the answer?
thank you for your thoughts.

Eeeeeek! I am so sorry. I think I’d be finding another parish, but would certainly explain why to him.

“This is the only life we have”??? Sounds like someone has lost his faith…

 

[Cristiano]

In all honesty I think that probably he was going to force the faithful to assume responsibility for their lives. Not to blame everything on the devil and to wait for God to solve all our issues without using the gifts that we are given. I also think that he could have worded his speech in a much more theologically correct matter. It is up to the priest tho hone his homiletic skills and is is up to use to pray for that.

 

[Phemie]

There was a scheduled Adoration of the Blessed Sacrament from 8pm-10pm immediately following the Mass and several parishoners (myself and my son included) waited 15 minutes for it to begin when we were told he (the priest) had decided “not to do it”- no other explanation given.

I’m confused. What were you waiting for to begin? What was there for the priest to DO?
After Communion last night the Blessed Sacrament should have been taken to the altar of repose – said altar should have been in a location where people could stay for adoration – and placed in a closed tabernacle. There is no exposition after the Mass of the Lord’s Supper.

 

[Cajetan]

During the Homily he said “yes, Jesus’ body is present in the Eucharist but He is also present in each one of us and we should focus on that and try to be of service to each other…” basically glossing over the Real Presence.

I once got the same response from an R.C.I.A. instructor when I asked about visiting the Blessed Sacrament in the tabernacle. “Yes,” she said, “Jesus is there… but Jesus is everywhere,” and promptly moved on to another subject.

Not the response I was looking for, nor was it what I needed to hear at the time from my R.C.I.A. instructor. Sad.

 

[ethan_anderson]

The word tradition comes from the Latin word traditio which means “to hand down” or “to hand over.” It is used in a number of ways in the English language:

1. Beliefs or customs taught by one generation to the next, often orally. For example, we can speak of the tradition of sending birth announcements.
2. A set of customs or practices. For example, we can speak of Christmas traditions.
3. A broad religious movement made up of religious denominations or church bodies that have a common history, customs, culture, and, to some extent, body of teachings. For example, one can speak of Islam’s Sufi tradition or Christianity’s Lutheran tradition.

ethan anderson

 

[HOPEFUL_IN_UK]

Hello,
I am a fairly recent revert and have been having a hard time with my priest. I don’t know if it is me being too judgemental or…tell me what you think:

examples:

Last night was Holy Thursday. During the Homily he said “yes, Jesus’ body is present in the Eucharist but He is also present in each one of us and we should focus on that and try to be of service to each other…” basically glossing over the Real Presence. There was a scheduled Adoration of the Blessed Sacrament from 8pm-10pm immediately following the Mass and several parishoners (myself and my son included) waited 15 minutes for it to begin when we were told he (the priest) had decided “not to do it”- no other explanation given.

Today, during the homily for Good Friday, he started to discuss suffering. He went on to talk about how some people believe erroneously in something he calls “Apcalypticism” which is that the devil is on earth and is is responsible for suffering -but he says thatis all not true-" it is only due to the human condition" and that we should just " accept it and try to live a happy life". In fact he said, [and I quote! ]“Go out to the movies! Go see a Broadway show! Have a beer or two! or a shot of whisky! or vodka! This is the only life we have! This moment! So go live it and be happy!”

Hmmm…doesn’t seem an appropriate homily for Good Friday…but what do I know

(BTW: This is also the same priest who in my crisis over NFP counseled me to use ABC and to “not worry about it”)

Am I being scrupulous?? Is obedience and patience the answer?
thank you for your thoughts.

I usually think we should give a priest the benefit of the doubt and ask them what they mean. Perhaps they didn’t word it right or we didn’t hear it right. But… this sounds a bit excessive.

How old is this priest? I am just curious.

If you can talk to him, I would. Just ask him what he meant and try to be non-accusatory about it so that he doesn’t get defensive and hostile. He may not realize what he’s doing. (That’s me wanting to give the benefit of the doubt…)

You can write a letter to your bishop outlining these things. But, don’t expect anything to change.

 

[Matthias123]

I would personally see if anyone else at your parish has your same concerns. Then I would go talk to that priest. If there still is a problem I would talk to the bishop.

I would be seriously concerned for this priest. He needs our prayers.

You are not being scrupulous in my opinion.

It is the ABC that troubles me the most. That can get many people in a habit that is hard to break.

 

[Refugium]

Hello,
I am a fairly recent revert and have been having a hard time with my priest. I don’t know if it is me being too judgemental or…tell me what you think:

examples:

Last night was Holy Thursday. During the Homily he said “yes, Jesus’ body is present in the Eucharist but He is also present in each one of us and we should focus on that and try to be of service to each other…” basically glossing over the Real Presence. There was a scheduled Adoration of the Blessed Sacrament from 8pm-10pm immediately following the Mass and several parishoners (myself and my son included) waited 15 minutes for it to begin when we were told he (the priest) had decided “not to do it”- no other explanation given.

Today, during the homily for Good Friday, he started to discuss suffering. He went on to talk about how some people believe erroneously in something he calls “Apcalypticism” which is that the devil is on earth and is is responsible for suffering -but he says thatis all not true-" it is only due to the human condition" and that we should just " accept it and try to live a happy life". In fact he said, [and I quote! ]“Go out to the movies! Go see a Broadway show! Have a beer or two! or a shot of whisky! or vodka! This is the only life we have! This moment! So go live it and be happy!”

Hmmm…doesn’t seem an appropriate homily for Good Friday…but what do I know

(BTW: This is also the same priest who in my crisis over NFP counseled me to use ABC and to “not worry about it”)

Am I being scrupulous?? Is obedience and patience the answer?
thank you for your thoughts.

I’m not suprised. It seems like anything flies in the Novus Ordo Church. (Except of course for consecrating bishops who will preserve the Apostolic Catholic faith.) As long as it doesn’t involve the heresy (gasp!) of rejecting the modernist Second Vatican Council, it’s tolerated.

 

[Refugium]

I would personally see if anyone else at your parish has your same concerns. Then I would go talk to that priest. If there still is a problem I would talk to the bishop.

I would be seriously concerned for this priest. He needs our prayers.

You are not being scrupulous in my opinion.

It is the ABC that troubles me the most. That can get many people in a habit that is hard to break.

What is the bishop going to do, Matthias? This isn’t some isolated event that is going to shock the bishop into action. Probably somewhere around 70% of priests in the American Novus Ordo Church are like this priest; the bishops are the ones who enable it, because they themselves were liberal priests like this one before they were promoted to liberal bishops! Do you think the bishop of every diocese does not receive complaints from laity all the time, and nothing is done? Do you think Rome does not receive thousands of letters from all over the world every week complaining about stuff like this? Yet nothing is done…which merely begs the question…WHY. It’s time to wake up and realize the Church is in one of the greatest crises she has ever endured, that most of the bishops are hirelings at best, wolves in sheep’s clothing at worst, and that the only way to get over this is a full out return to the traditional Roman Catholic religion that was abandoned after Vatican II.

 

[Matthias123]

What is the bishop going to do, Matthias? This isn’t some isolated event that is going to shock the bishop into action. Probably somewhere around 70% of priests in the American Novus Ordo Church are like this priest; the bishops are the ones who enable it, because they themselves were liberal priests like this one before they were promoted to liberal bishops! Do you think the bishop of every diocese does not receive complaints from laity all the time, and nothing is done? Do you think Rome does not receive thousands of letters from all over the world every week complaining about stuff like this? Yet nothing is done…which merely begs the question…WHY. It’s time to wake up and realize the Church is in one of the greatest crises she has ever endured, that most of the bishops are hirelings at best, wolves in sheep’s clothing at worst, and that the only way to get over this is a full out return to the traditional Roman Catholic religion that was abandoned after Vatican II.

At least the people that are speaking out are doing something about it. Sitting in our chairs doing nothing is just as bad.

"When the Nazis came for the communists,
I remained silent;
after all I was not a communist.

When they locked up the social democrats,
I remained silent;
after all I was not a social democrat.

When they came for the trade unionists,
I did not speak out;
after all I was not a trade unionist.

When they came for me,
there was no one left to speak out."

I am NOT calling the Catholic church Nazis. I am merely showing where silence gets you.

I would go to the Bishop and at least try.

However, I agree with you that the Church does have some problems with liberalness.

 

[laudamus_te]

What is the bishop going to do, Matthias? This isn’t some isolated event that is going to shock the bishop into action. Probably somewhere around 70% of priests in the American Novus Ordo Church are like this priest; the bishops are the ones who enable it, because they themselves were liberal priests like this one before they were promoted to liberal bishops! Do you think the bishop of every diocese does not receive complaints from laity all the time, and nothing is done? Do you think Rome does not receive thousands of letters from all over the world every week complaining about stuff like this? Yet nothing is done…which merely begs the question…WHY. It’s time to wake up and realize the Church is in one of the greatest crises she has ever endured, that most of the bishops are hirelings at best, wolves in sheep’s clothing at worst, and that the only way to get over this is a full out return to the traditional Roman Catholic religion that was abandoned after Vatican II.

Very well said.

Matthias123:

At least the people that are speaking out are doing something about it. Sitting in our chairs doing nothing is just as bad.

Why assume that Refugium is doing nothing? Speaking out to the bishops is obviously not going to be effective if they are modernist bishops, as most are. Supporting traditional priests and orders is more effective, in my opinion. When your voices are not being heard, speak with your feet and with your pocketbook. That is the only thing which seems to get the attention of the apostates.

Dove_of_Peace:

Am I being scrupulous?? Is obedience and patience the answer? thank you for your thoughts.

You are certainly not being scrupulous. You have been blessed with the intelligence to realize that something is amiss. While patience and obedience are good virtues, beware of false obedience which is a sin. If you have young ones, you must be especially concerned about knowingly exposing them to such error and endangering their souls. The mere fact that this priest approves of the use of ABC suggests his apostasy. ABC is condemned by the Church. If one rejects even a single aspect of the Faith, he rejects the entire Faith.

 

[Deacon_Ed_B]

I’m not suprised. It seems like anything flies in the Novus Ordo Church. (Except of course for consecrating bishops who will preserve the Apostolic Catholic faith.) As long as it doesn’t involve the heresy (gasp!) of rejecting the modernist Second Vatican Council, it’s tolerated.

How in the world do you jump from this to blame the Novus Ordo. This is a jump to nowhere. It sounds like the priest is trying to be ???I don’t know???. From what the post said, he is in need of prayers, but to blame this on the Novus Ordo, Well, that is a stretch.
Deacon Ed B

 

[dove_of_peace]

I’m confused. What were you waiting for to begin? What was there for the priest to DO?
After Communion last night the Blessed Sacrament should have been taken to the altar of repose – said altar should have been in a location where people could stay for adoration – and placed in a closed tabernacle. There is no exposition after the Mass of the Lord’s Supper.

Our Church bulletin had said it would be Adoration of the Blessed Sacrament we were expecting our Lord to be in the monstrance on the altar for this special time. We were then told “he decided not to do it”.

 

[Phemie]

Our Church bulletin had said it would be Adoration of the Blessed Sacrament we were expecting our Lord to be in the monstrance on the altar for this special time. We were then told “he decided not to do it”.

Probably because he figured out it’s forbidden to do that on Holy Thursday. The adoration is in front of a closed tabernacle.

 

[dove_of_peace]

I usually think we should give a priest the benefit of the doubt and ask them what they mean. Perhaps they didn’t word it right or we didn’t hear it right. But… this sounds a bit excessive.

How old is this priest? I am just curious.

If you can talk to him, I would. Just ask him what he meant and try to be non-accusatory about it so that he doesn’t get defensive and hostile. He may not realize what he’s doing. (That’s me wanting to give the benefit of the doubt…)

I’m like you, I want to give the benefit of the doubt. He is in his early 60’s (if I were to guess). I have gently confronted him on an issue before- he was teaching a bible study and saying how people try to find Jesus in the Old Testament but that is just Christians trying to justify their faith and that we should just read them as the historical stories they are blah blah blah… I spoke up about the Old Testament prefiguring Christ and he looked and me like I had 2 heads- "Well, some fundamentalists think that…"and promptly dismissed me and made me feel stupid. Now, I am no bible scholar so I doubted myself.

Dilemma:
My 3 children attend the school associated with this church so I can’t really leave…I teach them mostly at home from the catachism.

Peace.

 

[dove_of_peace]

Probably because he figured out it’s forbidden to do that on Holy Thursday. The adoration is in front of a closed tabernacle.

Oh! I didn’t know that, thank you!

 

[GodsGirl]

This is some of the things Our Lady told Mirjana during some of her visions of Our Blessed Mother in Medugorje:

Don’t criticize priests. (Mirjana)

•           Some pilgrims feel the visionaries are privileged. That’s not true. Our Lady says the only privileged people are priests because they represent her son.

• In Hercegovnia, everyone stands when a priest enters the home and no one speaks until the priest speaks. They feel the priest represents Jesus in their home.
• Mirjana asks pilgrims to be our Lady’s Apostles in our relations with priests.
• Priests don’t need our criticism; they need our prayers and love.
• If you lose respect for priests, you will lose respect for the church and even God.
• It’s not up to us to judge priests. It’s God’s job to judge them. But God will also judge us as to how we treated priests.
• If you feel something is wrong with a priest, take the rosary and pray for them.

If you want more information on the Medugorje visions, go to www.medjugorje.hr

 

[Sure]

Probably somewhere around 70% of priests in the American Novus Ordo Church are like this priest; the bishops are the ones who enable it, because they themselves were liberal priests like this one before they were promoted to liberal bishops!

Please provide proof for your wild assertion that 70% of priests do not believe in the real presence and advise contraception.

Also, there is no “American Novus Ordo Church” any more than there is a “Traditional Latin Pedophile Church”. There is the Roman Catholic Church or just Catholic Church.

To the Original Poster,

If I were you, I would find a new parish where rubrics are followed and homilies support Church teaching rather than undermine it. It is important for you and your family to experience fullness of the liturgy as the Church has given us. The priest might be a nice guy. He might just be confused. But you can’t allow your family to suffer because of his shortcomings. Go elsewhere.