"Traditionalists" and "KJV-Onlys"?

[netmilsmom]

Mysty101:

It is quite obvious that your idea of a “hoot”, is a very serious matter indeed.

Come on, post 29 is pretty funny.

Mysty101:

I wonder how EWTN would feel about what you consider entertainment.

(or has your 7 year old stolen your identity again?)

Huh???
I’m so sorry I don’t understand at all what you are saying about my seven year old.

Are you okay?

 

[netmilsmom]

Pariah Pirana:

Let’s see what the GIRM actually says:

"GIRM #160. The priest then takes the paten or ciborium and goes to the communicants, who, as a rule, approach in a procession.

The faithful are not permitted to take the consecrated bread or the sacred chalice by themselves and, still less, to hand them from one to another. The norm for reception of Holy Communion in the dioceses of the United States is standing. Communicants should not be denied Holy Communion because they kneel. Rather, such instances should be addressed pastorally, by providing the faithful with proper catechesis on the reasons for this norm."

So while the faithful should not be denied communion because they lack proper catechesis and are therefore not standing per the norm, they should be given communion and proper catechesis.

Your technique of taking one without the other is cafeteria Catholicism at its worst…

What happens if someone is visiting from outside of the US where kneeling is the norm?
I understand that the person might then be given the proper catechesis after, but wouldn’t it be safer for all concerned, to watch for those who kneel?

 

[Swiss_Guard]

Mysty101:
It is precisely because of rude opinionated persons like you that many Parishes will not even try to accommodate a minority with an exception to the norm.
**Rude and opinionated?? **

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Is this really living Christian charity? I find this post the antithesis of charity. I think you owe me an apology.

Pax tecum.

 

[Swiss_Guard]

Mysty101:

I wonder how EWTN would feel about what you consider entertainment.

(or has your 7 year old stolen your identity again?)

I find this post very uncharitable. You really need to tone down your anger.

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**Your personal attacks on people are deplorable and you should be reported. **

 

[Mysty101]

**Rude and opinionated?? **

Is this really living Christian charity? I find this post the antithesis of charity. I think you owe me an apology.

Pax tecum.

Don’t you remember that you questioned my belief in the Real Presence because I support the USCCB in the standing norm?

And was it you or another “charitable and very Catholic poster” who badmouthed the entire USCCB?

 

[netmilsmom]

**Rude and opinionated?? **

Is this really living Christian charity? I find this post the antithesis of charity. I think you owe me an apology.

Pax tecum.

Dear friend, insults are thrown and easily returned. See this quote…

JOHN PAUL II: “This fact shows the possibility and usefulness of freedom of speech in the Church: a freedom which can also appear in the form of constructive criticism. The important thing is that what is said truly expresses a prophetic inspiration coming from the Spirit. As St. Paul says, where the Spirit of the Lord is, there is freedom' (2 Corinthians 3:17). The Holy Spirit fosters in the faithful a manner of acting characterised by sincerity and mutual trust (cf. Ephesians 4:25) and enables them to admonish one another’ (Romans 15:14; cf. Colossians 1:16). Criticism is useful in the Community, which must always be reformed and must try to correct its own imperfections. In many cases it helps the Community to take a new step forward. But if it comes from the Holy Spirit, criticism must be animated by the desire to advance in truth and love. It cannot be given with bitterness; it cannot be expressed in insults, in acts or judgements which offend the honour of individuals or groups. It must be filled with respect and with fraternal and filial affection, and it should avoid recourse to inappropriate forms of publicity by always adhering to the directions given by the Lord about fraternal correction (cf. Matthew 18:15-16). If this is the profile of freedom of speech, we can say that there is no opposition between charism and institution, because it is the one Spirit who enlivens the Church with various charisms. The spiritual gifts also help in exercising the ministries. They are bestowed by the Spirit to help advance the Kingdom of God. In this sense we can say that the Church is a Community of charisms” (L’Osservatore Romano, N.26, 1st July 1992)

You are allowed to be critical of the Bishops, as long as it is animated by the desire to advance in truth and love.

When another poster twists or spins in order to get you upset, best to take it with humor and in the spirit of love.

All we can do is keep trying!
God Bless!

 

[dumspirospero]

Come one everyone…lets remember that we are all one big family…A Roman Catholic Family…despite our views on tradition or progressives, etc…we should still love one another and not fight…“A house divided can not stand”…I know I have not always set a good example and at times I can be uncharitable…but I try very hard not to be…sometimes I know the temptation is too much…but let us try to approach eachother with love and see Christ in one another…God Bless you all.

 

[usqueadmortem]

Mysty101:

I guess you missed a few threads–I am a daily communicant, an EMHC both at Mass and in the hospital, a Reader, a Catechist and a choir member, yet my belief in the Real Presence was questioned because I defended the standing norm, and my fidelity to the Pope was questioned because I defended the orans position, (which was ridiculed by one of you fellow entertainees) and asked for documentation to support the claim that hand-holding during the Lord’s Prayer is a serious abuse, but it’s OK to attend a non-Catholic service regularly—it’s more pious than some Masses.

You consider ridicule of legitimate worship and the USCCB entertainment? Although the original post may be somewhat exaggerated, and over-generalized, there are some good points which could be very beneficial, if taken seriously.

Just keep laughing—WWJD?

Mysty,
I guess I did miss a few threads. But in any case, the thread I participated in was civil, it was heated at some points, but civil and mutually respectful.

This thread? It started off disrepectful, and will end up disrepectful.

The entertainment bit is just a running joke. Try to relax Mysty. I think We have all been insulted, and I for one thought Pariah’s opening post was ridiculously insulting. But I take it in stride. If Pariah thinks I am a fool, good. It will do well to humble me.
What matters is what Our Lord thinks, and He hasn’t called me an idiot so far for being a Traditionalist. In fact He lead me to where I am.

Pax et bonum!
Usque.

 

[Tantum_ergo]

Everybody gather round, take a deep breath–hold–release. Drop your chin down toward your chest. Now, lean your head back as far as you comfortably can. Roll head slowly forward in semicircle, roll back. Roll to other side. . .roll back. Deep breath again–hold–release. Shoulders UP toward ceiling. . .hold, drop. Repeat.

Put tea kettle on. Boil water, make tea. Biscuit, cookie, scone. . .nibble, sip, nibble, sip.

Now that we all feel relaxed, continue with thread, remembering that we have just shared a virtual “tea” with EVERYBODY here–and use our “company” voices.

God bless!

 

[JNB]

People should not take this troll bait.
Pariah Pirana:

I have come to see similarites between those Catholics who describe themselfes as “traditionalists” and those Protestants who describe themselves as “KJV-onlys.”

More specifically I see similarities in the following areas:

1.) Dumbing-down of the faith. Both groups seem to want to base their entire faiths either on a specific type of Mass, or a specific version of the Bible. There is simply more to it.

2.) Lack of perspective. Members from both camps seem to be fairly ignorant about the history and totality of their faiths.

3.) Poor thought processing. I’m not sure that I have *ever *meet someone that is both smart, educated and well catechized from either camp. In a word, their use of logic is typically non-existant.

4.) The need to be different. A buker-mentality seems to actually appeal to thse individuals.

5.) Intolerance. Every time I hear the terms “liberal”, “modernist”, “apostate”, “heretic”, etc. etc. etc. thrown around, I think of both of these extrememist groups. I also marvel at how they typically misuse these very words…

 

[Mysty101]

netmil(name removed by moderator):

Dear friend, insults are thrown and easily returned. See this quote…

You are allowed to be critical of the Bishops, as long as it is animated by the desire to advance in truth and love.

When another poster twists or spins in order to get you upset, best to take it with humor and in the spirit of love.

All we can do is keep trying!
God Bless!

Did you even look at the posts??? The comments about the USCCB were neither true or charitable. You really need to get a reality check.

 

[PJR]

Why thank you, tea was delightful. Where ever did you find such wonderful watercress? I’m feeling ever so much better.

Of course my tea has a tipple of Bailey’s.

Cheerio!
Tantum ergo:

Everybody gather round, take a deep breath–hold–release. Drop your chin down toward your chest. Now, lean your head back as far as you comfortably can. Roll head slowly forward in semicircle, roll back. Roll to other side. . .roll back. Deep breath again–hold–release. Shoulders UP toward ceiling. . .hold, drop. Repeat.

Put tea kettle on. Boil water, make tea. Biscuit, cookie, scone. . .nibble, sip, nibble, sip.

Now that we all feel relaxed, continue with thread, remembering that we have just shared a virtual “tea” with EVERYBODY here–and use our “company” voices.

God bless!

 

[Mysty101]

netmil(name removed by moderator):

You are allowed to be critical of the Bishops, as long as it is animated by the desire to advance in truth and love.

When another poster twists or spins in order to get you upset, best to take it with humor and in the spirit of love.

All we can do is keep trying!
God Bless!

Did you even make an attempt to find the posts? There was nothing charitable or loving in the slam of the USCCB.

(I know, I remind you of your bully sister–but you were always nice, right??)

 

[Mysty101]

You guys all need a reality check.

Irreverence is NEVER in good fun. CCR (with all it’s charisteristics) is an approved movement of the Church.

And if you are as up on your Faith as you claim to be, you would know that we are all “Charismatic” (gifted with the charisms of the Holy Spirit) first by Baptism, and intensified by Confirmation—we are all called to preach, teach & heal, in the name of Jesus Christ, through prayer—Charismatic is not a word to be shunned.

(reported in the Good News Magazine)

myweb.tiscali.co.uk/renewaluk/gn0301/g0301nws.htm

Cardinal Ratzinger Affirms Charismatic Renewal

In a recently published book called ‘God and the World’ in which journalist Peter Seewald, interviews Cardinal Ratzinger, the Cardinal, who is head of the Congregation of the Doctrine of Faith, talked about the Church’s need for ongoing renewal. He said, ‘She {the Church} does certainly need outbreaks of living spirituality. Forms of that kind, in which a new passion for faith emerges that is not politically contrived but has developed from within, have been important for the Church in every age. We have seen how in the 16th century the renewal did not come from institutional authority but through people who were gripped by God and created new movements. This is happening today in a great variety of forms - the charismatic movement is one of them - and this is, you might say, the consolation the Lord sends us by showing that the Holy Spirit is present and still powerful’.

 

[dumspirospero]

Neither is “Tradition” or those that hold on to it who are known as “traditionalist”…those words should not be shunned either…because without the tradition we have…we would not have The Catholic Church…

Mysty101:

Charismatic is not a word to be shunned.

 

[usqueadmortem]

Tantum ergo:

Everybody gather round, take a deep breath–hold–release. Drop your chin down toward your chest. Now, lean your head back as far as you comfortably can. Roll head slowly forward in semicircle, roll back. Roll to other side. . .roll back. Deep breath again–hold–release. Shoulders UP toward ceiling. . .hold, drop. Repeat.

Put tea kettle on. Boil water, make tea. Biscuit, cookie, scone. . .nibble, sip, nibble, sip.

Now that we all feel relaxed, continue with thread, remembering that we have just shared a virtual “tea” with EVERYBODY here–and use our “company” voices.

God bless!

That is one of the funniest posts I have read in a long time. sounds like a buddhist meditation. man was that creative…

 

[netmilsmom]

Mysty101:

Did you even look at the posts??? The comments about the USCCB were neither true or charitable. You really need to get a reality check.

This is the only quote that I can find on this thread by Swiss Guard about the Bishops is this…
“You’re obviously not familiar with the apostolic letter of Pope John Paul II Ecclesia Dei which gives those who want the Tridentine Mass the right to have it. The bishops are to be generous in this application, but we know that is not the case. I’m still waiting for you criticize these bishops the way you criticize anyone who wants to adore our Lord and receive Holy Communion kneeling.”

I checked the reality of this thread and this was all I found. Where is this not charitable?
(Is this like when you said that I walked out of Mass on the other thread and I have never walked out of Mass in my life?)

 

[netmilsmom]

PJR:

Why thank you, tea was delightful. Where ever did you find such wonderful watercress? I’m feeling ever so much better.

Of course my tea has a tipple of Bailey’s.

Cheerio!

Um, excuse me. If you share your Bailey’s, I have a friend who is holding popcorn with extra butter.
I can set you up

 

[usqueadmortem]

Tea and buttered popcorn?! What the!?
HAHAHA…
this thread is gonna get closed…

 

[PJR]

Ok, but I don’t think popcorn-even with butter is a fair trade. Got any pizza rolls?
netmil(name removed by moderator):

Um, excuse me. If you share your Bailey’s, I have a friend who is holding popcorn with extra butter.
I can set you up