Traditionalists not attending Novus Ordo

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pnewton said:
That is twice you have asked that question, and I didn’t even mention the current situation.
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Well, even if you didn’t mention the current situation, you made your previous reply in response to his question about the current situation. So I think that’s why he asked it again…
pnewton said:
But if you do not know what it is, I will explain it.
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He actually does know what it is, but his evaluation is different from ours. So he wants us to define it so that he can pursue his argument based on what we say it is. Now that I defined it in post #154, we’ll see what he has to say.
pnewton said:
the strange notion that their is no pope, perhaps the most anti-Catholic of all possibilities. The papacy is the one doctrine that is most distinctly Catholic.
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It’s a strange notion indeed. If sedevacantism were true there’s no reason to be Catholic. You’d have to be an incredibly well-educated and infallible person who can judge which of his teachers is faithful to the teachings of Christ. I thought that’s why we had a Teaching Church led by an infallible head: because we’re fallible and that would be an impossible and illogical task for us, the Taught Church.

If sedevacantism were true, I wouldn’t be a Catholic. I’d be a theist who believes 1) all religions are equally pleasing to God, 2) there is no true religion, or 3) there’s no way to know which is the true religion. Because one of the main reasons the Catholic Church is indefectible is because the pope is infallible–for our sake since we’re not infallible.

Okay, I’m done ranting…

Maria
 
gorman64 said:
Maria:

Yes there are heresies and must be heresies…but they are never really within the Church. This would be contrary to divine law.

Gorman
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I’d agree with you here. So, what I think you are getting at is that you think the Pope/s and bishops today are all not really in the Church. Again, to persist in this line of thinking would be to deny the Visible Church and replace it with an essentially invisible church which only a few keen people are aware of because, well, it’s invisible which I think is probably heretical itself.
 
"If sedevacantism were true, I wouldn’t be a Catholic. I’d be a theist who believes 1) all religions are equally pleasing to God, 2) there is no true religion, or 3) there’s no way to know which is the true religion. Because one of the main reasons the Catholic Church is indefectible is because the pope is infallible–for our sake since we’re not infallible.

Okay, I’m done ranting…

Maria "

Don’t stop ranting …please!
I’ve learned so much from your posts…I think you are my hero:angel1:

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Ham1 said:
So, what was the point in posting it? How is related to approved translations?
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That’s the point. Approved by WHOM? The same committee which approved the vernacular “for all”?
 
BobP123 said:
That’s the point. Approved by WHOM? The same committee which approved the vernacular “for all”?
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Okay, um, we already discussed this particular topic earlier in this thread; in fact, that’s what started this whole debate. So, Ham1, before you start asking more questions or debating BobP123, please go to post #5 and read on from there.

Maria
 
bear06 said:
I’d agree with you here. So, what I think you are getting at is that you think the Pope/s and bishops today are all not really in the Church. Again, to persist in this line of thinking would be to deny the Visible Church and replace it with an essentially invisible church which only a few keen people are aware of because, well, it’s invisible which I think is probably heretical itself.
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Wouldn’t that be a form of gnosticism, ie a sort of “secret knowledge?” I’m not being a wise mouth, I’m asking.
 
JKirkLVNV said:
Wouldn’t that be a form of gnosticism, ie a sort of “secret knowledge?” I’m not being a wise mouth, I’m asking.
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That is exactly what Fr. Corapi calls it!
Thanks for jogging the gray matter:thumbsup:
 
Finally! I think this is the third thread I posted this in and nobody noticed! Now, can you please notice the phrase “super interregnum”? I was quite proud of this one too even though I didn’t mention it in this thread.👍
 
bear06 said:
Finally! I think this is the third thread I posted this in and nobody noticed! Now, can you please notice the phrase “super interregnum”? I was quite proud of this one too even though I didn’t mention it in this thread.👍
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bear06 said:
Finally! I think this is the third thread I posted this in and nobody noticed! Now, can you please notice the phrase “super interregnum”? I was quite proud of this one too even though I didn’t mention it in this thread.👍
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bear06 said:
I’d agree with you here. So, what I think you are getting at is that you think the Pope/s and bishops today are all not really in the Church. Again, to persist in this line of thinking would be to deny the Visible Church and replace it with an essentially invisible church which only a few keen people are aware of because, well, it’s invisible which I think is probably heretical itself.
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Oh, pleaaase.
When have I been not visible? Really!
As long as there’s 'n Internet, the True Church will never be invisible.
 
bear06 said:
Finally! I think this is the third thread I posted this in and nobody noticed! Now, can you please notice the phrase “super interregnum”?
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I noticed alright. But it wasn’t directed at me, so I didn’t say anything. It’s generally been my custom not to post just to agree with someone on my side of the debate. Although I admit I broke that custom by the ranting post, to my later regret.

Also, if you want somebody in particular to respond to it, I think you’ll have to address that person in particular. 😉

Maria
 
bear06 said:
Finally! I think this is the third thread I posted this in and nobody noticed! Now, can you please notice the phrase “super interregnum”? I was quite proud of this one too even though I didn’t mention it in this thread.👍
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Bear, did I miss something pithy or profound?
 
TNT said:
As long as there’s 'n Internet, the True Church will never be invisible.
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That’s a very true comment. It must grate on some priests, to have such knowledgeable Catholics correcting them when they allow liturgical abuses.

It’s never been this easy to search the documents of the Church, and to discover how much there is to the Catholic faith.
 
JKirkLVNV said:
Bear, did I miss something pithy or profound?
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What?! You missed it again?! Sedevacantists have to deny the Visible Church if they’re going to stick to their argument. I guess gorman’s out today since he hasn’t commented.

And super interregnum is what the sedevacantists believe we’re in now which, of course, goes back to the secret invisible Church. We see no interregnum in the Visible Church. They see super interregnum and that the Visible Church is only seen by a few who have super cool glasses that allow them to see it.

So, they can say that they believe in the Visible Church but it’s a hard claim to stick to when nobody can see it but them. The Church they see certainly isn’t a “beacon on the hill” to us. The Church we see is a fraud to them.
 
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