Traditions of Man - Divorce and Remarriage

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If a woman marries a man and he is abusive than she can get out of the marriage and remarry, but he cannot. His abusive acts would end that marriage because he did not live up to his end of the promise, to love and protect his wife.

Same for

If a husband cheats on his wife the woman can seek a divorce get her marriage annuled and remarry but the man cannot this is biblical but i would have to find it.

You then asked if your church could offer annulements and the answer is no, Eden wanted to know how a christian denomination could allow divorce and remarriage.

And although your church cannot give annulemts there are some cases where any church would allow remarriage, and because the Catholic Church understands that all christian marriages outside of the Catholic Church are valid, than in a case of a woman being beaten or a man cheating on his wife than in the eyes of God and in scripture that marriage is annuled even if there was not a process for it.

My uncle has twin boys 18 years ago, his wife, slept with other men unknown to him at that time, she then left her children one day, he eventually remarried, I do not think in God’s eyes he is committing adultry for the last 12 years, but we dont know, as Catholics we dont have to worry about that, we can go to our Church and get an annulement so that we dont have to worry but only have faith in God and His Church.

My aunt also divorced she was not in love with her husband anymore, had two kids. He was abusive in words, she had issues with drinking and had to stop, he was unsupportive and very ugly to her. She remarried. Would her marriage been annulled, I would think so, but not sure. Her new husband is a music minister in the Baptist church, he cannot be hired fulltime bc he is divorced and remarried so he is a fill in for several.

Each protestant church is different. The church I grew up in, our preacher was divorced and remarried. He was our preacher because he grew his sunday school class so big that they had to meet at a different location, eventually forming our own church.
 
Please make sure your comments are directed toward the topic at hand.

The topic of this thread is:
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Eden:
how do you [non-Catholics] justify this tradition of man [divorce and remarriage] when Jesus clearly taught that marriage is a sacrament and to divorce and remarry would be adultery?
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To discuss/debate the reasoning behind the Catholic position, I would ask you begin a thread in Family Life or Apologetics.

Thanks for your cooperation.

God bless-

Rachel
 
I’ve read this entire thread, and maybe I missed it, but it seems no one anwered the OP’s question:
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Eden:
For those who belong to Christian denominations that allow for the divorce and remarriage of its members, how do you justify this tradition of man when Jesus clearly taught that marriage is a sacrament and to divorce and remarry would be adultery?
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This question is not about the Catholic Church at all. It is not about annulments. It is certainly not about any sacrament besides matrimony.

I’ve seen a lot of people going off the subject but have yet to see an answer to the question.
 
Well, it’s been a couple of days, and it sure has gotten quiet in here.

All I did was ask for an answer to the OP’s question. I, for one, would really like an answer since this is a topic I’ve often wondered about myself.

C’mon folks, the silence is deafening.
 
Hi my name is Frank , I’m new here , I’m also a spirit filled believer, I have been reading these posts and I would like to answer the first question, firstly a True Christian bible based Church does NOT allow for divorce but true churches have the same problem as Catholic Churches and that is they deal with human error daily and people want and do split up. Now having answered the first posters question I would like to go further , the word divorce and annulment are very related words because the end result is the same in both acts. When God sent his Son to this world Christ had to come down to our level to teach us using our current understandings and words so we can see that words are a human form of commination but 2 different words can and do have the same outcome ( divorce and annulment) . Now when people marry as Christ said become one in Spirit and flesh, the Spirit is first because it is everlasting and real but the flesh is only temporal because one day we die but our Spirit lives on. So if one divorces or has his marriage annulled because they were united first in Spirit and now they are no longer one in Spirit they have committed an act of sin and once that act is committed against the Spirit it can not be revoked regardless of what words man may use or thinking to try and get around it. The fortunate part is that we have a redeemer for all our sins against the Spirit and the Glory of God for God is Spirit also, His Grace is sufficient and his death is enough for all sin for we are ALL in the same boat. Some say that because of Grace Christians use this as a license to divorce, NOT SO, because of that Grace Christians who understand and believe fight against divorce, but again there are the Spiritually weaker or earthy cirmistances where it ends up in divorce or annulment.

An annulment is the Legalist view of a civil Divorce , different rules but the same results but Grace prevails ALL human rational and logic in him are our Spirits washed white as snow from all stains of annulments, divorces and what ever else man can muster up in our dark hearts. Only God can see our hearts so we can not comment or judge what people had in there hearts when taking a vow because of this we also do not have the Spiritual authority to grant annulments or divorce.

Thank God for Jesus Christ who washes our human thinking and doings.
 
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blackbelt:
Now when people marry as Christ said become one in Spirit and flesh, the Spirit is first because it is everlasting and real but the flesh is only temporal because one day we die but our Spirit lives on. So if one divorces or has his marriage annulled because they were united first in Spirit and now they are no longer one in Spirit they have committed an act of sin and once that act is committed against the Spirit it can not be revoked regardless of what words man may use or thinking to try and get around it.

An annulment is the Legalist view of a civil Divorce , different rules but the same results but Grace prevails ALL human rational and logic in him are our Spirits washed white as snow from all stains of annulments, divorces and what ever else man can muster up in our dark hearts. Only God can see our hearts so we can not comment or judge what people had in there hearts when taking a vow because of this we also do not have the Spiritual authority to grant annulments or divorce.

Thank God for Jesus Christ who washes our human thinking and doings.
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Welcome.

The difference between divorce and annulment is not semantics.

“Divorce destroys something that was; Annulments recognize that something never was. That is not just semantics. It’s a matter of precision and hence a matter of truth.”

catholic.com/thisrock/1999/9909fea2.asp

I do not know of any church outside of the Catholic Church that refuses to marry someone on their second or third marriage.
 
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Eden:
Welcome.

The difference between divorce and annulment is not semantics.

“Divorce destroys something that was; Annulments recognize that something never was. That is not just semantics. It’s a matter of precision and hence a matter of truth.”

catholic.com/thisrock/1999/9909fea2.asp

I do not know of any church outside of the Catholic Church that refuses to marry someone on their second or third marriage.
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Thank you nice to be here, but annulments have the same descructive aftermaths as divorce or one can also say ther fruits of both acts are equal. We can say it it was never a marrage to beging with but we know the truth deep with in that it was a valid marrage.

The Catholic Church also performs re marrages after anulments o wait my mistake it was never a marrage in the first place.
 
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blackbelt:
The Catholic Church also performs re marrages after anulments o wait my mistake it was never a marrage in the first place.
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Exactly. 👍

If you are biblically-based, what is the excuse for your ministers/preachers marrying someone who was divorced?
 
Blackbelt gave it a good try but ended up sidestepping the question.

This is not about annulments. Even when civil law grants annulments, it claims a marriage never existed in the first place.

Now, can we please get back to the subject? I’m still waiting for an answer to the OP’s question. For those who need reminding, here it is:
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Eden:
For those who belong to Christian denominations that allow for the divorce and remarriage of its members, how do you justify this tradition of man when Jesus clearly taught that marriage is a sacrament and to divorce and remarry would be adultery?
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Eden:
Exactly. 👍
If you are biblically-based, what is the excuse for your ministers/preachers marrying someone who was divorced?
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And my question is:
“I wonder why no one has answered the question?”
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To deduce an answer, I would say that all of the Non-catholics that have viewed this thread are divorced, so they can’t defend it without some serious bible study and reflection? Or is it they CAN’T!?
 
Texan in DC:
As a former baptist

No Christian church likes divorce, but it is a fact of life.

My former church offered services to help couples rebound after a divorce.

The Catholic Church which has the authority chooses to give annulements which cost money, traditionally the Church is suppossed to find fault in a marriage to claim there was no sacrament in the first place, but I know of many examples where the church at the local level sometimes more liberal than the vatican would like it to be grants more than they should.
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A lot of my non-Catholic friends always complain about the fact that annulements cost money, but they neglect to admit that getting a civil divorce costs money too…and usually a bunch of it!
 
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Eden:
Matt. 5:31-32 - the Lord permits divorce only for “porneia.” This Greek word generally means unlawful sexual intercourse due to either blood relations (also called incest) or nonsacramental unions. The Lord does not permit divorce for “moicheia” (adultery)…
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Your understanding of porneia is incorrect.

The only New Testament grounds for divorce are sexual sin or desertion by an unbeliever. The first is found in Jesus’ use of the Greek word porneia (Matt. 5:32; 19:9). This is a general term that encompasses sexual sin such as adultery, homosexuality, bestiality, and incest. When one partner violates the unity and intimacy of a marriage by sexual sin—and forsakes his or her covenant obligation—the faithful partner is placed in an extremely difficult situation. After all means are exhausted to bring the sinning partner to repentance, the Bible permits release
for the faithful partner through divorce (Matt. 5:32; 1 Cor. 7:15).
 
Even if we set the issue of “porneia” aside (and it sounds to me like a topic for a thread of its own), a lot of Protestant churches allow remarriage after a divorce for any reason. What if there is no adultery involved? What if it’s a case of a man simply trading in his wife for a younger model? What if it’s a no-fault divorce? Why is remarriage after divorce allowed then?
 
Kay Cee:
Even if we set the issue of “porneia” aside (and it sounds to me like a topic for a thread of its own), a lot of Protestant churches allow remarriage after a divorce for any reason. What if there is no adultery involved? What if it’s a case of a man simply trading in his wife for a younger model? What if it’s a no-fault divorce? Why is remarriage after divorce allowed then?
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Men and women are sinful, Kay Cee. If either partner decides to leave, and seek a divorce, and does so in rebellion to God’s Word, after the disciplinary steps of Mt. 18:15-17 are exhausted, then the one who will not repent is to be treated as an unbeliever, and, as such, he or she has deserted the other partner, and a divorce will be granted on the basis of 1 Cor 7:15.

At my church, that is a grave matter; after the initial steps of Mt 18 are exhausted, an announcement is made before the whole church that so and so has abandoned his or her spouse, and has refused to repent. At that point, those who know the unrepentant party are encouraged to appeal to him or her, and urge them to reconsider their decision, and to repent of their sin; sometimes they do repent; at other times, they do not repent.

Only God can change the rebellious heart. According to 1 Cor 7:15, the faithful spouse is not under bondage to the unbelieving spouse, as determined by Mt 18:17, ie., the unfaithful spouse is to the faithful spouse, and to the church, a Gentile, and a Tax-Collector, re: an unbeliever who will not repent.

The faithful spouse may wait for the unfaithful spouse to repent for as long as he or she will, but if the other will not repent, and initiates and demands a divorce, what else can be done?
 
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JoeyWarren:
And my question is: To deduce an answer, I would say that all of the Non-catholics that have viewed this thread are divorced, so they can’t defend it without some serious bible study and reflection? Or is it they CAN’T!?
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I have already answered the op question in post 86, other true churches do not allow divorce or annulments for that matter, but even though they do not allow it , it still happends that is why the vatacan came up with a solution annumnent.

Plus you should’nt assume that the ones that cant answer are divorced that is silly, for one I my self have been married 19 yrs to one woman and my one and only marrage, but I do know the diffrence between Gods word and mans laws.

we are supose to be compassionat as Christ was not accuse or because others do not flow rule of an instutation that they are condemen. Before and instutation sees that plank in the other denominations eye mabey that instutation should look at its own plank first.Or mabey the Assemblies of God should look at the corruption of the vatacan, lets get real wrere are children in Gods view and we act as such also between denominations who has the right view of scripture and who does not, do you all forget who our LORD and MASTER is , Jesus Christ, lets focuse on him and united the one common ground.

I disagree with alot of Roman Vatacan Rule for one annulments, but I do not allow it to sepreate the Body of Christ.

O by the way Im Italian, my entire family are RC
 
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sandusky:
Look it up in a N.T. Greek Lexicon.
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“It is the third word, “fornication,” that perhaps provides the most satisfying solution to the problem. The solutions based on the other two words unconsciously make this word equivalent to “adultery,” without allowing for the fact that when the text speaks of the adultery of the divorced husband or wife, it uses an entirely different word. It would seem that “fornication” refers to something else. Can we discover its exact meaning by looking to see how it is used elsewhere in the New Testament?”

catholic.com/thisrock/1997/9705clas.asp

“Whichever above arguments you find convincing (on the meaning of the word porneia), it is clearly false that Jesus meant to allow and remarriage when one party has committed adultery.”

catholic.com/thisrock/2000/0007bt.asp

**“CATHOLIC: Most Protestant versions of the Bible translate the Greek word porneia with the terms you mentioned. Porneia can mean any kind of sexual immorality. The specific word for “adultery” used in 5:32 and 19:9 is moichaomai when it says, “he commits adultery.” Your interpretation requires that porneia and *moichaomai *are synonyms, but I don’t think that is the case.”

catholic.com/thisrock/2005/0509sbs.asp

If you look up porneia at the CA library you will find more articles. This thread is about Protestants and divorce/remarriage. If you want to discuss the word “porneia” in depth, I’ll join you on a new thread.
 
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sandusky:
The faithful spouse may wait for the unfaithful spouse to repent for as long as he or she will, but if the other will not repent, and initiates and demands a divorce, what else can be done?
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The question becomes then, why would a minister marry a previously divorced person?
 
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