Agreed, as to the primacy of remaining faithful.I do believe that it is important to point out the falsehoods of this Trail of Blood thing.
With regards to the importance of Apostolic succession, I assume w/ your experience that you would be familiar with my “Reformed” understanding…
That it may be important to know the historical succession of church leaders, but it is more important to preach the gospel faithfully. A church can be built on the Apostles only if it loves what the Apostles loved and affirms what the Apostles affirmed.
Pray for the Church, that it would remain faithful to the gospel and teach it with boldness.
I am no Baptist, but will hazard some guesses from those I have known. What Jesus did was not necessarily right for everyone else to do. Do you go out on 40 day fasts, for instance? His actions with wine were within a certain context, Seder Meal, that may not apply to us, who are not in the Jewish religion. Paul seems to imply wine is more of a medicine. Baptist teetotalers would understand that in ancient times, alcohol may have been the only germ killer, so for medicinal purposes only.How did the Baptists start with the Apostles? The Apostles drank wine, Jesus drank wine, St. James says a little bit of wine is good for you. Baptists don’t drink, or at least it is forbidden by the official doctrine of the Baptist Church (not sure how many different baptists churches there are, I know there’s baptist, first baptist, second baptists, and a bunch of other baptists).
So many errors, so many discrepancies, I’d like to find out about just one, if Jesus likes wine, he even used wine as his blood during the last supper … where were the Baptists in AD33 and why did they take down drinking?
Like I’ve said before, as an evangelist, Baptists are my favorite! I can smell 'em a mile away =)
(emphasis mine). . . . Smyth’s Amsterdam was also home to many Anabaptist Mennonites, who had for two generations practiced adult baptism based on a personal confession of faith. On this issue, Smyth finally broke with the Separatists. If the Church of England was, as he believed, “the Church of Antichrist,” its baptism must be false. In fact, he wrote in The Character of the Beast (1609), the baptisms of all established churches were false. And the New Testament never even mentioned infant baptism—only the baptism of believing adults.
“Baptism is not washing with water,” he wrote, “but it is the baptism of the Spirit, the confession of the mouth, and the washing with water: how then can any man without great folly wash with water which is the least and last of baptism?”
So, believing that there was no true church from which a valid baptism could be obtained,
Smyth baptized himself. . . . . .
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. . . . Eventually, Smyth applied for membership with the Mennonites. Helwys, who agreed with Smyth on nearly every point but could not accept Mennonite teachings on Christ and ministerial succession, recommended to the church that Smyth, then in bad health, be excommunicated. In 1611 they agreed. Smyth continued to defend his membership with the Mennonites up to his death in 1616. But to this day, it is not as a Mennonite that he is remembered, but as the first Baptist.
I am not a Baptist but I know many good people who are. To make comments like “I can smell them a mile away” tells me a whole lot more about you than it does abut them.How did the Baptists start with the Apostles? The Apostles drank wine, Jesus drank wine, St. James says a little bit of wine is good for you. Baptists don’t drink, or at least it is forbidden by the official doctrine of the Baptist Church (not sure how many different baptists churches there are, I know there’s baptist, first baptist, second baptists, and a bunch of other baptists).
So many errors, so many discrepancies, I’d like to find out about just one, if Jesus likes wine, he even used wine as his blood during the last supper … where were the Baptists in AD33 and why did they take down drinking?
Like I’ve said before, as an evangelist, Baptists are my favorite! I can smell 'em a mile away =)
I think you need to educate yourself before castigating others that may have a different or higher standard than your own. If you want respect from others show some to others.Oh, I wasn’t saying they were wrong in the least, I was just wondering how they got to the theological doctrine of no dancing and no drinking.
Totally agree, drunks to the degree in which they lose control of their ability to control sin, we call that perfect inebriation, totally true!
Just wondering why the zero tolerance policy. Understand about the medicinal quality of alcohol. Even modern people knew that if you drank the water you’d get sick, so a lot of people just drank beer. The first time we had chlorine in the water to sanitize was in Europe, about 1900, in Chicago, one of the first cities to chlorinate water was very early 1900’s as well. So, totally understand about the whole water and alcohol as a medicine thing.
But, to prohibit it altogether because some people abuse it? If we proceeded with this zero-tolerance policy for all things that could be bad, what would be left?
Not that I agree nor don’t agree with the Baptist practice of no-alcohol, just wondering where such a strict policy came from. I’m guessing the leaders of the Baptist church don’t think the people can handle themselves and thus impose a rule to control the people. In a way, there is a corollary between the general concusses (speaking very broad here, with Calvin in mind) that we, the faithful, do not deserve to have free will.
Drink wine? drink as you may with moderation, it’s your responsibility. But, if you want to remove the ability to be responsible, then prohibit all alcohol and remove the ability for the individual to make their own choice. Thus, the corollary here is that most Protestants don’t believe in free will and thus when they remove it, it’s the way it’s supposed to be because we are not meant to have free will … something like that.
To heaven, is that not what Catholics believe now as well?So where do Baptists believe children go when they die if they are not able to be baptised?
So all aborted babies go to hell?Ver. 5. Unless a man be born again of water, and the Holy Ghost. Though the word Holy be now wanting in all Greek copies, it is certainly the sense. The ancient Fathers, and particularly St. Augustine in divers places, from these words, prove the necessity of giving baptism to infants: and by Christ’s adding water, is excluded a metaphorical baptism. See also Acts viii. 36. and x. 47. and Titus iii. 5. (Witham) — Except a man be born again. That is, unless you are born again by a spiritual regeneration in God, all the knowledge which you learn from me, will not be spiritual but carnal. But I say to you, that neither you nor any other person, unless you be born again in God, can understand or conceive the glory which is in me. (St. Chrysostom)
Depends upon which Baptists you talk to Nelka. There is no uniform belief. In my Baptist Sunday School it wasn’t discussed.So where do Baptists believe children go when they die if they are not able to be baptised?
Just a clarification.So where do Baptists believe children go when they die if they are not able to be baptised?