I’m sure they do, yet once they learn what the Church teaches, a Church God established according to His Will, then wouldn’t it occur to them that this really isn’t God calling them? We know that satan can imitate an Angel of Light, so … Either they are being deceived by satan in regards to convincing them it really is God, or it is from their own desires and not God at all.many of these women believe that it is God who is calling them.
Only within the context of the Mass. It is really too bad that so many Catholics only seem to go to Mass to hear preaching.I for one, see no reason why laypeople women or men, are prohibited from preaching.
I do think that is rash judgment. I don’t think that is the motive. I think they’re trying to be humble. I don’t think the actions are humble, but it is hardly as if I’m Humility Personified myself.My issue with this thread and some of the comments is the rush to impune these women as prideful and childish.
True.I suppose the same could be said for Catholics who use artificial birth control.
Because it affects the Sacraments of the Faith - the royal priesthood, in the line of Melchizedek. Because these women want to change the Church.Why the selective outrage at a small group of people for their non-acceptance of doctrine
In their lives. And I’m sure of those, there are people who also want the Church to change their stance - but they have not formed a movement nor actively pushed for change. The may voice their opinions etc on the subject, but afaik haven’t formally formed a group to try to change Church teaching.some estimates put the use of ABC among Catholics at about 80-90% at one time or another in their lives?
I should clarify. The power I’m referring to is the power to decide how one’s own life will be lived out. As long as women are barred from the priesthood, they will not be eligible to participate in the Magisterium. As such, they will forever be in the position of being subject to doctrines and disciplines without having any say in their formulation.No one, male or female, has a “right” to ordination, so I am not sure if “power” has the right word here.
That’s more of an argument for abolishing the priesthood entirely than for admitting women to a structure that gives a small number of people “all the power.” You still have a small number of clergy with the “power” over the majority of Christians, by that logic.It is entirely and completely about power. Women want the power to have authority over their own lives the same way men do.
The ability to make decisions about one’s own life path is inherent in the idea of the innate dignity of each human being.Radical individualism is a threat, as mentioned by Pope Benedict.
Does the Magesterium have a “say” in formulating doctrine? They have the duty to teach what was handed down to them. They aren’t a legislative body who just gets to make up whatever doctrine or discipline they want, as the whim hits them.I should clarify. The power I’m referring to is the power to decide how one’s own life will be lived out. As long as women are barred from the priesthood, they will not be eligible to participate in the Magisterium. As such, they will forever be in the position of having to accept doctrines and disciplines without having any say in their formulation.
That very much is demanding power, but it’s demanding a power that we have the right to by virtue of being human.
That is a far cry from being entitled to any position you envision yourself having by virtue of being a human being. No, that is not what human freedom is.The ability to make decisions about one’s own life path is inherent in the idea of the innate dignity of each human being.
I belong to a denomination (ELCA) that has had women pastors since 1970 and some of the congregations I’ve belonged to have had at least one pastor who is a woman. Some of them have been very gifted preachers. The Presiding Bishop of the ELCA, Elizabeth Eaton, is an amazing preacher.That’s why some people want to see women become priests, even some men…and, I am afraid, even some priests. They really talk like that.
That is fine, but you don’t invest your clergy with the same ontological meaning as the Catholic priesthood has. We have abbesses. We have women in leadership. Priestly ordination is not admission to an administrative position, though. Parishes also do not choose their own pastors. We don’t just do things differently than many other denominations do; we see priests as different persons than other denominations see their clergy. A Catholic priest is defined according to an entirely different theology, just as Catholic worship is entirely different in kind from how Protestants understand it. That’s why their theology eventually lead to women in the clerical state and ours will not be doing that.I belong to a denomination (ELCA) that has had women pastors since 1970 and some of the congregations I’ve belonged to have had at least one pastor who is a woman. Some of them have been very gifted preachers. The Presiding Bishop of the ELCA, Elizabeth Eaton, is an amazing preacher.
For all these women pastors I’ve known, being a pastor wasn’t about power or wanting to lord it over men or anything like that. I think that all of them have felt that God called them to be a pastor.
The Church teaches that women are not permanent minors and do have power over their own lives just like men.It is entirely and completely about power. Women want the power to have authority over their own lives the same way men do.