Trans-priests and the gender wars

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whatistrue said:
I apologize if this has been mentioned in the thread already (I had to skip a large number of posts in the middle) but I wonder if the people insisting on women being accepted as priests are fighting as hard for men to be accepted as nuns? Somehow I seriously doubt it.
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Monks ARE in essence the male version of.nuns. There are differences in terminology but not really otherwise.
 
JoeShlabotnik said:
Can you name one man
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Not really relevant to the question. Equality is equality, no?

And by the way, I wanted to end the screen name with a question mark but the system would not allow it. So I am stuck with what you see.
 
I can understand feeling compassion. At the same time, I can’t compare Catholic Priests with other religions ministers. They aren’t the same thing.
 
edwest211 said:
Look up the word nun. There is no comparison.
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I did.

Monk = member of a community of male religious typically living under vows of poverty chastity and obedience.

Nun = member of a community of female religious typicaly living under vows of poverrty chastity and obedience.

The differences are overwhelming.
 
JoeShlabotnik said:
His Apostles, all men, ran away. This is one reason, I believe that women should be allowed to be priests.
It has never been my thought to be a priest. I do not have that kind of courage and devotion to serve in that capacity. But, as least as a male, I have the option. Women do not.
We all are God’s people. God bless us, every one.
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Now I’m confused when earlier you said this:
I am not saying things should be changed. I am saying I understand why women feel the want to become a priest.
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Men and women are different. And that’s okay. My wife has a crap ton of capabilities that I don’t; that I would like to have. But it doesn’t mean we aren’t equal.

Also, the idea that only boys can be Fathers isn’t simply an exercise of power by the church. It’s the Church recognizing what it can’t do.
 
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JoeShlabotnik said:
During Christ’s long and painstaking journey to Calvary, the only people there who lent him support were women. They were loyal. They were true. There were there right to his last breath as a man on this Earth. His Apostles, all men, ran away. This is one reason, I believe that women should be allowed to be priests.
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Because women are awesome. 🙂 And it is a great testament to the loyalty, love, and courage of the women who followed Christ when he walked on earth. But that doesn’t have any bearing on the question of priesthood. It’s not a question of the inferiority or superiority of either sex. The Church is the bride of Christ; and a priest administering the sacraments stands in the person of Christ, and therefore by definition a priest must be a man. The Church cannot change this doctrine; several popes, including recent ones, have reaffirmed this.
 
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The difference is simple: men are not women. Overwhelming, as used here, is only an emotion word.
 
JoeShlabotnik said:
Most every other religion in the world accepts women as ministers.
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That depends at least in part how you define “religion”. If you treat each non-Catholic (or Orthodox) Christian community as a separate religion, you are almost certainly right. But should a single Protestant denomination like ELCA carry the same weight in this discussion as Islam or Orthodox Judaism?
JoeShlabotnik said:
It is not their fault that they were born female.
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Fault? That makes it sound like there is something wrong with being female, and I am sure that is not your opinion, nor is it the opinion of the Catholic Church.
 
The Woman’s Ordination Movement has really lost steam in the US, and yes, I do believe it is a good thing.

While at one time, I was a member of the movement, I have come to understand, accept and support an all-male priesthood.

That said, it does not mean that I think all women who desire priesthood are prideful women who want to control men.
For the most part, the women I knew/know are educated, faithful women, who sadly have been indoctrinated with a “feminist attitude” that women can/should do anything men do. Most of them grew up in a time where clericalism was rampant, where women and their ideas were often dismissed, and when women were just starting to break through into the workforce. It was also the time of VII and there were lots of murmurings of changes coming to the institutional priesthood.

Add to that, much of mainline Protestantism allowing female ministers, and it is easy to see how we got to where we are.

Maybe if people would listen more, and judge less, they would understand that many of these women do believe they are being called to something, that it is not a prideful thing, but a passionate thing. But the more and more they are disregarded and condemned, the harder they will dig in their heels.
 
This is exactly the kind of thing I am talking about.
Your assumption that these women “know nothing” about Church teaching and are being “childish”, does not help.
Most of them know Church teaching quite well, they just happen not to agree.
 
And I hope they know excommunication is waiting for them should they decide to go against Church teaching.
 
No, not only if you are a widower.
We have a priest in my diocese who was a Protestant minister.
He converted and was ordained a priest about 10 years later.
He has a wife, children and grandchildren.
 
CilladeRoma said:
No, not only if you are a widower.
We have a priest in my diocese who was a Protestant minister.
He converted and was ordained a priest about 10 years later.
He has a wife, children and grandchildren.
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Ah yes, I forgot about that circumstance as well
 
As a woman, truly and really, if I saw a woman wearing a chasuble on our sanctuary I would run away, probably screaming

That’s how horrible the idea is to me

I see protestant women wearing clerical collars on the TV. To me it looks completely perverse. Can’t explain the extreme negative feelings but there they are
 
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I guess it’s like the most intense parody of the eternal priesthood of our Lord
 
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