Transgender, Happiness and Truth

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inocente said:
There is still a great deal of bigotry surrounding mental illness, and trivializing it by pretending unqualified amateurs can make medical diagnoses remotely over the internet only adds to the stigma.
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The whole argument was whether “gender dysphoria” WAS a mental illness.
 
PRmerger said:
I understand that, Theresa.

But surely you can see how hurtful it would be to someone who identifies as blind, and wishes to make the necessary changes for her to be happy and live as she truly sees herself…to hear you say that you think it’s fine for you (a rhetorical you, here) to have surgery to make yourself “whole” (even if it means surgically removing one’s penis) but object to her doing what she needs to do to make herself “whole”.

Can you see where she would be really, really upset that you are reserving for yourself something that she (let’s say she’s your sister) feels is necessary for her happiness?
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I’m sorry, but I don’t agree. I think you are missing the reasoning in my explanation.
 
Theresa_Frances said:
I’m sorry, but I don’t agree.
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You wouldn’t agree with this person who wants to blind herself because that is what she feels will make her whole?

How is it, then, that you can permit for yourself what you object to in others?
I think you are missing the reasoning in my explanation.
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I don’t actually see any reasoning in your explanation other than, “It’s just different what she wants to do than what I want to do.”

Could you please explain your position a bit better to me other than “it’s not the same thing”?
 
Expatreprocedit said:
The whole argument was whether “gender dysphoria” WAS a mental illness.
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I find it curious that there is such a fundamentalist position on who can determine whether a certain person or behavior is mentally ill.

I am 100% certain that most folks who are reasonably educated and life-experienced could look at certain individuals and certain behaviors and determine that they are mentally ill.

Note, please, that no one here is saying that these determinations are sufficient for this mentally ill individual to demand medication and treatment from non-mental health providers.

But what is being proposed is that one does not need a degree in psychiatry, or even an advanced degree, to look at someone, say, that you encounter at the grocer store and conclude, “He is not mentally right and I ought not continue discussions with him.”
 
Expatreprocedit said:
The whole argument was whether “gender dysphoria” WAS a mental illness.
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I’ve no medical training but dysphoria is “a state of unease or generalized dissatisfaction with life” which I guess would be diagnosed as a disorder if accompanied by distress, anxiety or depression.

Only a psychiatrist can diagnose whether a particular individual is just in a mood or ill. And since there’s a risk of suicide with a person who is ill, it’s far too important to be decided by the opinions of posters on an internet philosophy forum.

We may as well ask whether a woman wanting a boob enlargement or a nose reduction job is mentally ill. Or whether she’s ill for wanting her belly button or ears pierced, or getting a tattoo on her back, or having her teeth whitened. Perhaps she’s ill, perhaps she’s immature, perhaps she knows exactly what she’s doing, perhaps she’s more sane than any of us posters on internet forums.

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CHRISTINE77 said:
Okay this is beyond weird. Is this for real?
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No. True medically confirmed trangender people are not fixated on it. This post and pride parades or such “statement” exposees are the same. They would view their orientation as part of whatever else they are, as normal people would. They feel no need to “sell” it to the world.
 
CHRISTINE77 said:
Okay this is beyond weird. Is this for real?
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djames99 said:
No.
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Yes. It is indeed for real.
True medically confirmed trangender people are not fixated on it. This post and pride parades or such “statement” exposees are the same. They would view their orientation as part of whatever else they are, as normal people would. They feel no need to “sell” it to the world.
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Not sure what this has to do with whether the example offered is a real situation or not…
 
djames99 said:
No. True medically confirmed trangender people are not fixated on it. This post and pride parades or such “statement” exposees are the same. They would view their orientation as part of whatever else they are, as normal people would. They feel no need to “sell” it to the world.
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I was talking about the blind lady.
 
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