You do see the irony here, don’t you Bradski?Rather a lot of small minded prejudice and holier than thou comments (such as ‘defending the truth!).
Well, if your position cannot hold up to scrutiny, perhaps you need to re-evaluate it.The transgender ideology? Good grief…
There can be isolation, hiding and secrets, which can lead to depression and anxiety. Transgender adults are much more likely to have suicidal thoughts, with 50% of adults reporting some suicidal ideation. There seem to be two paths that people take early on: either one tries to hide their inner feeling of being the wrong sex and “passes” for what looks like a boy or girl, or one is incapable of hiding and presents as either a tom-boyish girl or a feminine boy. Either path is fraught with problems for one’s emotional development. The second scenario – of presenting as gender non-conforming is known to elicit harsh responses from society.
This is true for non-transgender people as well and many gay men and women experience this early on. There can be isolation, hiding and secrets, which can lead to depression and anxiety. Transgender adults are much more likely to have suicidal thoughts, with 50% of adults reporting some suicidal ideation. There seem to be two paths that people take early on: either one tries to hide their inner feeling of being the wrong sex and “passes” for what looks like a boy or girl, or one is incapable of hiding and presents as either a tom-boyish girl or a feminine boy.
Either path is fraught with problems for one’s emotional development. The second scenario – of presenting as gender non-conforming is known to elicit harsh responses from society. This is true for non-transgender people as well and many gay men and women experience this early on. tgmentalhealth.com/basic-issues-in-transgender-mental-health/
As I said, so much for Christian compassion. You have the thread to yourself. I want no part of it.
I think it quite appropriate to apply this to the transabled.The transgender ideology? Good grief…
There can be isolation, hiding and secrets, which can lead to depression and anxiety. Transgender adults are much more likely to have suicidal thoughts, with 50% of adults reporting some suicidal ideation. There seem to be two paths that people take early on: either one tries to hide their inner feeling of being the wrong sex and “passes” for what looks like a boy or girl, or one is incapable of hiding and presents as either a tom-boyish girl or a feminine boy. Either path is fraught with problems for one’s emotional development. The second scenario – of presenting as gender non-conforming is known to elicit harsh responses from society.
This is true for non-transgender people as well and many gay men and women experience this early on. There can be isolation, hiding and secrets, which can lead to depression and anxiety. Transgender adults are much more likely to have suicidal thoughts, with 50% of adults reporting some suicidal ideation. There seem to be two paths that people take early on: either one tries to hide their inner feeling of being the wrong sex and “passes” for what looks like a boy or girl, or one is incapable of hiding and presents as either a tom-boyish girl or a feminine boy.
Either path is fraught with problems for one’s emotional development. The second scenario – of presenting as gender non-conforming is known to elicit harsh responses from society. This is true for non-transgender people as well and many gay men and women experience this early on. tgmentalhealth.com/basic-issues-in-transgender-mental-health/
As I said, so much for Christian compassion. You have the thread to yourself. I want no part of it.
Incidentally, what’s with the quote?The transgender ideology? Good grief…
There can be isolation, hiding and secrets, which can lead to depression and anxiety. Transgender adults are much more likely to have suicidal thoughts, with 50% of adults reporting some suicidal ideation. There seem to be two paths that people take early on: either one tries to hide their inner feeling of being the wrong sex and “passes” for what looks like a boy or girl, or one is incapable of hiding and presents as either a tom-boyish girl or a feminine boy. Either path is fraught with problems for one’s emotional development. The second scenario – of presenting as gender non-conforming is known to elicit harsh responses from society.
This is true for non-transgender people as well and many gay men and women experience this early on. There can be isolation, hiding and secrets, which can lead to depression and anxiety. Transgender adults are much more likely to have suicidal thoughts, with 50% of adults reporting some suicidal ideation. There seem to be two paths that people take early on: either one tries to hide their inner feeling of being the wrong sex and “passes” for what looks like a boy or girl, or one is incapable of hiding and presents as either a tom-boyish girl or a feminine boy.
Either path is fraught with problems for one’s emotional development. The second scenario – of presenting as gender non-conforming is known to elicit harsh responses from society. This is true for non-transgender people as well and many gay men and women experience this early on. tgmentalhealth.com/basic-issues-in-transgender-mental-health/
As I said, so much for Christian compassion. You have the thread to yourself. I want no part of it.
I don’t think anyone needs a degree in psychiatry to determine that some people are mentally ill.My main concern is untrained people declaring others mentally ill, which confuses genuine illness with social outcasts and therefore promotes stigma against the ill.
Yes. Obviously it’s a problem.I agree with Bradski: both sides agree that the disconnect between a person’s mental image of himself and his physical sex is a problem.
Right.If framed this way, one side then thinks that the mental image needs to change and be integrated with the body, while the other thinks that the body should be modified in order to match the mental image.
And let me pre-empt any responses that say, “Hey, what do I care if a man wants to cut off his hand? It’s his business. His hand. His life.”Yes. Obviously it’s a problem.
Right.
And to be consistent, the side that thinks the body should be modified in order to match with the mental image should be ok with this man cutting his right hand off because he identified as disabled:
news.nationalpost.com/news/canada/becoming-disabled-by-choice-not-chance-transabled-people-feel-like-impostors-in-their-fully-working-bodies
But, clearly, they do not (and rightly so!)…so the double standard is glaring here.
That is correct. I worked at a major hospital. I’ve also been hospitalized for various mental health issues. I observed a great deal. I learned a great deal. The truth is this: the APA made an arbitrary change for Transgender persons. A disorder today, but now, not a disorder.I don’t think anyone needs a degree in psychiatry to determine that some people are mentally ill.
For some folks, it’s quite obvious.
And I do not mean to be glib here.
I mean it simply as I write it: some folks are obviously mentally ill and we do not need to have any specialized training to come to this judgement.
And kids in school are being told that certain things are OK - now. Someone cares about what your kids should be thinking in school.And let me pre-empt any responses that say, “Hey, what do I care if a man wants to cut off his hand? It’s his business. His hand. His life.”
Sure.
But you wouldn’t sanction it if this were your son.
Some stranger who you care not a whit for? Sure. Your model is: who cares? Right?
But make it personal, and the answer changes dramatically.
QED.
Yep.And kids in school are being told that certain things are OK - now. Someone cares about what your kids should be thinking in school.
Ed
Are we discussing whether such actions are moral, or whether society and/or the government should tolerate them or not?And let me pre-empt any responses that say, “Hey, what do I care if a man wants to cut off his hand? It’s his business. His hand. His life.”
Sure.
But you wouldn’t sanction it if this were your son.
Some stranger who you care not a whit for? Sure. Your model is: who cares? Right?
But make it personal, and the answer changes dramatically.
QED.
All of the above.Are we discussing whether such actions are moral, or whether society and/or the government should tolerate them or not?
Christi pax,
Lucretius
It would look like the same compassion we have for this person:Here’s a question:
What would compassion for those with transgender problems look like?
Christi pax,
Lucretius
I grew up espousing a holier than thou attitude, while all along supressing my own gender realizations. I grew up in a family that never questioned any aspect of our Catholic faith. At the age of 19, with my parents support, I began my transition to finally being the woman I had always been. I have mentioned this before in this forum. Being a woman was a reality, the root of that realization is in my brain structure. Being a Catholic is as much a part of who I am as is being a woman. I don’t want to change the Church, the world, or morality. I just want to live quietly as myself.Defending the truth? Ye gods and little fishes. What a trite thing to say about people with psychological problems. Isn’t it true that people with gender identity problems actually do have a problem? Are you saying that they don’t and that this is just some women who like to dress up as men and ‘isn’t this disgraceful’.
I’m really not sure I like the way this thread is developing.
How about anyone who seems to have a problem with this issue actually laying their cards on the table. Forget about facile arguments about ‘why don’t you treat this trans-something the same as that trans-something?’ Tell us what you think the problem is and what you think we should do about it.
I get the impression I’m not about to see a lot of Christian charity and compassion. Rather a lot of small minded prejudice and holier than thou comments (such as ‘defending the truth!).
I am saddened that you were holier than thou, and also that your family never questioned any aspect of your Catholic faith.I grew up espousing a holier than thou attitude, while all along supressing my own gender realizations. I grew up in a family that never questioned any aspect of our Catholic faith.
Do you feel the same way about the transabled?At the age of 19, with my parents support, I began my transition to finally being the woman I had always been. I have mentioned this before in this forum. Being a woman was a reality, the root of that realization is in my brain structure. Being a Catholic is as much a part of who I am as is being a woman. I don’t want to change the Church, the world, or morality. I just want to live quietly as myself.
Theresa
Speaking for myself I am very comfortable with the idea that we each need to individually work through the question of identity. I therefore respect self-determination even when people tread a path I find ‘odd’. I would start form a principle of trying to give people as much room as possible to explore identity, sexuality, etc. But that does not mean ‘anything goes’ as when one person’s freedom starts to effect another person’s freedom then some restriction somewhere will be needed.What is the correct narrative for transgender folks?
Is it: this is who I am, and therefore I will only be happy when I embrace how I was born?
“Born this way” is the meme, yes?
How does this story of Stefonknee Wolscht reconcile with those who embrace the above meme?
http://assets.nydailynews.com/polop...en/derivatives/article_307/trans13n-2-web.jpg
nydailynews.com/news/world/transgender-woman-leaves-wife-7-kids-live-girl-article-1.2463795