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inocente
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There is still a great deal of bigotry surrounding mental illness, and trivializing it by pretending unqualified amateurs can make medical diagnoses remotely over the internet only adds to the stigma.
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LethalMouse
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One has a grand total of zero obligation to seek others opinions via the internet.
However when one asks, he shall receive
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inocente
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One has a grand total of zero obligation to seek others opinions via the internet.
However when one asks, he shall receive
Medical diagnosis isn’t uninvited opinions of internet posters.
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Charlemagne_III
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It seems that if anyone lobbies the APA to remove any illness from its list, they are glad to comply.
Says Sara Solovitch:
bphope.com/conspiracy-of-silence-when-the-psychiatrist-has-bp/
Research shows that doctors in general are at greater risk of depression, mood disorders, and suicide than other professionals. “Psychiatrists commit suicide at rates about twice” the rate of other physicians, according to a 1980 study by the American Psychiatric Association, which found that “the occurrence of suicide by psychiatrists is quite constant year-to-year, indicating a relatively stable oversupply of depressed psychiatrists.”
If only they could remove the condition of being depressed from the list!
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edwest2
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edwest2
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I suffer/have suffered from various mental illnesses. I’ve been hospitalized twice. Bigotry does not apply. No amateurs were involved in diagnosing me. LGBT activists concern me regarding their lobbying for a diagnosis.
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Nyx
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The problem is that identity and worldview are highly subjective. So, in my opinion, what you call truth is your own truth (as a result of your education, beliefs, experiences, etc). A lot of people would disagree with you (or with me) as they have a different perspective.
Even when we use the social norms argument (meaning that a behavior or identity or belief, etc) is normal as long as it is accepted by the society and abnormal if it is not socially accepted- you are basically saying that a certain mentality and/or social conventions decide whatever something is normal or abnormal. It is a reasoning used by many in everyday life but this would require you to accept that a behavior or someone’s gender identity or sexual orientation and so on might be normal in New York and abnormal in Saudi Arabia.
Another argument regards functionality- basically, will this person be able to “function” in society (from work to relationships, free time, sexuality, family). Following this approach, an abnormal behavior/identity/system of beliefs/personality traits, etc is one that would reduce your capacity to function in society. It is not a perfect way to say what is normal and what is abnormal, and it is still subjective, but it is at least in theory not based on what an individual or a society believe is true or normal.
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PRmerger
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I hope you realize how provincial this sounds, Bradski.
100 years ago, someone giving an example of this:
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…would have prompted the response, “Hey, that’s just weird”.
You may think these examples of trans-something are weird (and you’d be right, BTW), but the point is, if we follow the model given by the LGBTQ movement, these other trans folks should be viewed as heroes and heroines. Revolutionaries. Brave men and women who have the courage to step out of the cultural norms, and “let your freak flag fly”.
youtube.com/watch?v=dUFPWW7IqCU
“Let’s make the transabled and the transaged not weird anymore!”
Or
“Let’s make weird ok!”
That’s the model you’ve embraced, eh?
At least, if you wish to be consistent.
Oh, wait: you get to say that some things should be proudly waved (“let your freak flag fly!”) but, if PRmerger and some other folks offer some other things that could be part of this “let your freak flag fly!”, well, no, that’s NOT part of that which should be proudly waved.
Why the double standard, Bradski?
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PRmerger
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You seem to be suggesting that these behaviors (thinking you are 6 years old, identifying as disabled) are normal mental processes steeped in reality?
That is, you seem to be advocating the idea that these people are not mentally ill?
Is that your position?
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PRmerger
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Firstly, there are a multitude of examples.
(Jewel Shuping who felt she should really be a blind woman, and blinded herself with chemicals).
But that’s really irrelevant. How* many* there are is not germane.
My question is bigger than that.
It has to do with consistency of one’s position.
One cannot embrace the transgender model while also rejecting all the other trans-concepts.
It’s untenable to assert, “I would be ok with my child being transgender but not being trans-anythingelse”.
How does one defend this double standard?
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PRmerger
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The fact that you post your thoughts here on this forum tells me that even you don’t believe that “what you call truth is your own truth”.
You believe that what you are professing is true. And true for others as well.
And you wish to convince others that your view of the world is the correct view.
Otherwise, you wouldn’t bother to post your opinions, and refute those who disagree with you.
Let’s take this parallel, Nyx.
Imagine you are on a forum for ice cream lovers. How much time would you spend trying to convince others that butter pecan is a better flavor than lemon custard?
Answer: about 2 posts.
Then you’d be out of there.
No sane person tries to convince others about something that is absolutely subjective–such as what kind of ice cream tastes good.
BUT! Sane people who actually do believe in objective truth do spend some time and effort defending their position and convincing others that their position has merit.
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Bradski
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It’s not a double standard. If someone wants to be treated as a female because that person feels like a female and happens to have been born in a male body, then I have zero problem with that.
If someone wants to be treated as a boiled egg, then I would probably try to avoid any interaction with that person.
Just because you stuck trans in front of something and declared it to be weird doesn’t mean that everything therefore becomes weird because you stick trans in front of it.
That itself is weird.
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PRmerger
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Then what is the criterion you’re using for determining what’s acceptable?
It certainly seems as if the criterion is: perception is reality. What a person perceives himself as, is what he is.
Is that not how you determine that it’s ok for someone to be treated as a female even though he is a male?
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PRmerger
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What an arbitrary system you’ve set up for yourself, Bradski. (Arbitrary AND inconsistent).
“A” is fine but “B” is weird.
Although “A” would have been considered “weird” 10 years ago.
(And I’m pretty sure that you would have thought, 30 years ago, that “A” was weird…so, that’s…weird, too. How is it that your definition of what’s weird evolved simply because you follow, faithfully, what the Elites have declared to be acceptable?)
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Bradski
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So you think trans-material (I want to be treated as a boiled egg) and trans-national (I want to be treated as an Australian) are both equally invalid?
Are you saying that anything that starts with ‘trans-’ is automatically wrong?
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PRmerger
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Incidentally, you do know that “weird” and “freak” are the words that are embraced by the LBGTQ world, right?
They want to be weird and freaks (refer back to the Shrek song I referenced earlier).
And google “Keep Portland Weird” and see what shows up. Lots of transgender items.
Because, you know, weird is good. Weird, like transabled.
Oh, wait. You get to say that one kind of trans is weird but what kind of trans is not.
(Here: “trans” is code for: what you self-identify as).
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PRmerger
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I think that anything that starts with “trans” that isn’t consonant with reality is wrong.
And I am quite consistent with my paradigm.
But you still haven’t given us the paradigm for which you determine which kind of “trans” is weird (by which you seem to mean “weird in a bad way”, not “weird in the way that the transgender people have embraced”), and which kind of “trans” is cool.
How do you determine this again, Bradski?
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Bradski
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All good. But I think that what we think of as reality is different in some circumstances.
Man wants to be treated as a boiled egg: Both think that’s weird.
Man wants to be treated as Australian: Both thinks that’s OK.
Man wants to be treated as a woman: One each.
From what I know of transgender people, they appear to have a sexual identity problem. They have my sympathy. If they can ease the problems they face by asking others to accept them as the gender that they feel they are rather than the one into which they were born, then I have no problem with that.
I hope you wouldn’t either. Otherwise, I don’t know…what are you going to do? Avoid them? Shouldn’t be difficult. There aren’t that many. I get around and I personally don’t know any.
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Nyx
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No, I would not try to convince others that my worldview is the correct view. Religion or lack of it is just one factor (obviously more or less important) but there are many others that cannot ever be defined as correct or false. Can you say that someone’s experience of interpersonal relationships is correct or false? Or a cultural understanding of the importance of group versus personal achievement? (at most you could say that this experience has a negative effect on interpersonal expectations, or that there is a danger that a strongly collectivist culture may hinder personal creativity, etc)
Given the fact that most religions say there is a God/Supreme Creator/Gods, etc and Atheists don’t believe this- obviously, yes, some are right and some are wrong. We can argue over what kind of influence religion has in society or over political beliefs. And, yes, we believe that our beliefs are correct as they are not based on entirely subjective premises.
But many other factors in what creates our worldview, identity, self-esteem, etc are entirely subjective. You can’t say someone’s gender identity (or group identity, or cultural identity or social identity in general) is true or false in the same way you couldn’t really say my experiences of interpersonal relationships are true or false.
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PRmerger
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What do you mean–weird in the way that the LGBTQ folks think of weird? Like, “I’m weird and I’m proud of it!” Weird, like that?
I don’t know what this means. How do you get treated like an Australian as opposed to British?
Oh, yes, indeed.
And you should, to be consistent, treat a transabled person as disabled, if that eases the problems they face.
AND! To be consistent, if it “eases” the problem of, say, your son, to treat him like a boiled egg, you should do that as well.
#consistency
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