Transgender Related Question

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ComplineSanFran said:
Well, the Church has a history of mutilation for the Glory of God. The castrati were made euchucs for hundreds of years - men kept boys for the sake of their voices. It is said that Origen castrated himself.

And if you read the lives of the Saints, you’ll see how so many (mostly women) mutilated and starved themselves in their attempts of holiness.

I like Carolyn Walker Bynum, the medieval historian, and her book, Fragmentation and Redemption: Essays on Gender and the Human Body in Medieval Religion.

But truly, the medieval Church was filled with saints who not only mutilated the body, but did all sorts of horrendous things to curb the flesh. And all was done to be closer to Jesus. The Church loved it.
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Some Saints did engage in mortification. Spikes and things. I asked my spiritual director about it once and he said stick with the conventional methods today [fasting, meatless days, etc.] or find a different spiritual director. I figured I have enough aches and pains, and that for a guy like me, not eating one day or half a day was tougher than wearing a spiked leg wrap. 😃
 
Elizium23 said:
“Gender” is the word “gender theorists” want you to use. The PROPER TERM, used for HUNDREDS OF YEARS in the English and other languages, is sex.
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Gender is the word I want to use. Using “sex” or “sexual” where “gender” is used would change the meaning of the phrase. For example “sexual expression” and “gender expression” mean two different things. Gender and sexual are not interchangeable here.
 
Hmm… besides grammar or whatever, I have never felt like a “man” or a “woman” in particular. I have mostly female friends, I do not get along males easily. When I was little I would love to play things like the “little kitchen” or build my own house with blankets. However, I also LOVED playing with cars and legos and would build my own miniature city to destroy it with an “asteroid”. I was obsessed with apocalyptic scenarios 😛 . I have never liked sports. I’ve always liked school, especially my science classes and math. I still rarely feel masculine, and sometimes had a “femenine” imagination because I grew up watching Disney channel movies in which I identified more with the female characters (not completely though). I am straight and I have fallen in love with female best friends several times in the past. Like other mentioned, I don’t feel like I don’t match with my body, because I was just raised to be me. I am a straight male with femenine “manerisms” at times, which, I have noticed, have toned down a bit in the last year or so. Perhaps, I am just socially awkward, which makes me behave in a more femenine way 🤷
 
Yeah, my gender matches my sex. However, I tend to get along with women much easier than with men. Perhaps I’m a sensitive guy and girls are drawn to that…? 🤷

I’m always the guy who gets stuck in the friend zone.
 
drac16 said:
Yeah, my gender matches my sex. However, I tend to get along with women much easier than with men. Perhaps I’m a sensitive guy and girls are drawn to that…? 🤷

I’m always the guy who gets stuck in the friend zone.
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Same here. So far I have ended up in friendzone in all cases 🤷
 
Peregrinans said:
I didn’t know where to put this, but since transgenderism is in the media so much I thought I would put it here.

Well I have a question for all non-transgendered folks…
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Semantics nit-picking :-). The correct terminology is “transgender”, not “transgendered” or “transgender ism”.

Think of it this way if it seems confusing - “Elijah is French”, you wouldn’t say “Elijah is Frenched”

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Sariah said:
Semantics nit-picking :-). The correct terminology is “transgender”, not “transgendered” or “transgender ism”.

Think of it this way if it seems confusing - “Elijah is French”, you wouldn’t say “Elijah is Frenched”

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👍

I didn’t want to start picking at nits here because I didn’t know where to start. This is a good start.
 
People forgive meif I offend anyone saying this …however the way that I see it if God created you with the genitals you have then I think you are meant to be a man and visa versa the rest is just pschycological and individual. Mind you God makes no mistakes in what he creates. My sister is a tomboy however she loves being a woman she’s just a little tougher than a lot but it doesn’t meanthat she was meant to be a boy. God is perfect in what he does for His creation . God Bless
 
brandonmorris said:
People forgive meif I offend anyone saying this …however the way that I see it if God created you with the genitals you have then I think you are meant to be a man and visa versa the rest is just pschycological and individual. Mind you God makes no mistakes in what he creates. My sister is a tomboy however she loves being a woman she’s just a little tougher than a lot but it doesn’t meanthat she was meant to be a boy. God is perfect in what he does for His creation . God Bless
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Don’t ever apologize for speaking the truth. 👍
 
Thanks Regina and God bless you ! It’s just common sense in most matters as that youcan add me as a friend if you want 😉
 
brandonmorris said:
People forgive meif I offend anyone saying this …however the way that I see it if God created you with the genitals you have then I think you are meant to be a man and visa versa the rest is just pschycological and individual. Mind you God makes no mistakes in what he creates. My sister is a tomboy however she loves being a woman she’s just a little tougher than a lot but it doesn’t meanthat she was meant to be a boy. God is perfect in what he does for His creation . God Bless
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Being transgender is not the same as being a tomboy or having enjoying interests or activities that some people still think of as typical or normal for one sex or the other. That one thinks that indicates a serious misunderstanding.

Yes, God created us but since the fall of Adam creation is no longer perfect. Stuff happens. If a person can be born with a cleft palate or have diabetes or be somewhere on the autism spectrum why can’t a person be same-sex attracted or transgender? Just using autism as an example; it does mean that there are challenges ahead but the children just diagnosed and their parents can discover that people with autism might not be neutotypical but are amazing just the same. Also, some approaches for people on the autism spectrum have been moderately effective but are harsh (a friend described it like training a dog) and there are better ways that meet the person where they are. Perhaps if we meet LGBTQ+ people where they are we might be better at reaching them.
 
The problem is that reparative therapies for homosexuality and transsexualism are being outlawed because orientation “can’t be changed” even though everything else, somehow, can.
 
Elizium23 said:
The problem is that reparative therapies for homosexuality and transsexualism are being outlawed because orientation “can’t be changed” even though everything else, somehow, can.
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My point wasn’t that it changes or is cured but the the differences are accepted and worked with not against.
 
Johns Hopkins Psychiatrist: Transgender is ‘Mental Disorder;’ Sex Change ‘Biologically Impossible’
(CNSNews.com) – Dr. Paul R. McHugh, the former psychiatrist-in-chief for Johns Hopkins Hospital and its current Distinguished Service Professor of Psychiatry, said that transgenderism is a “mental disorder” that merits treatment, that sex change is “biologically impossible,” and that people who promote sexual reassignment surgery are collaborating with and promoting a mental disorder.
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Dr. McHugh, the author of six books and at least 125 peer-reviewed medical articles, made his remarks in a recent commentary in the Wall Street Journal, where he explained that transgender surgery is not the solution for people who suffer a “disorder of ‘assumption’” – the notion that their maleness or femaleness is different than what nature assigned to them biologically.
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He also reported on a new study showing that the suicide rate among transgendered people who had reassignment surgery is 20 times higher than the suicide rate among non-transgender people. Dr. McHugh further noted studies from Vanderbilt University and London’s Portman Clinic of children who had expressed transgender feelings but for whom, over time, 70%-80% “spontaneously lost those feelings.”
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While the Obama administration, Hollywood, and major media such as Time magazine promote transgenderism as normal, said Dr. McHugh, these “policy makers and the media are doing no favors either to the public or the transgendered by treating their confusions as a right in need of defending rather than as a mental disorder that deserves understanding, treatment and prevention.”
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The Psychopathology of “Sex Reassignment” Surgery

Transgender Surgery Isn’t the Solution
 
Elizium23 said:
The problem is that reparative therapies for homosexuality and transsexualism are being outlawed because orientation “can’t be changed” even though everything else, somehow, can.
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If someone came up with a treatment for say bipolar with it curing 5% and killing 20% should it be permitted?
Elizium23 said:
Johns Hopkins Psychiatrist: Transgender is ‘Mental Disorder;’ Sex Change ‘Biologically Impossible’

The Psychopathology of “Sex Reassignment” Surgery

Transgender Surgery Isn’t the Solution
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Question, if cancer treatment changes someone’s 5 year survival from 5% to 90% and the 5 year survival rate for someone without cancer is 99.5%, should the treatment be banned? After all they are still 20x as likely to die as someone who never had cancer. That is the specious “logic” that McHugh uses.

That 70-80% number is based on parents who brought their kids in not those diagnosed as gender dysphoric by psychologists.
 
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