Transgender teen who died of an apparent suicide: ‘Fix society. Please.’

[ucfengr]

If I handed you a male brain and a female brain, how would you tell me which is which?

psychologytoday.com/blog/hope-relationships/201402/brain-differences-between-genders

and

webmd.com/balance/features/how-male-female-brains-differ

Is what I found, I got curious if there are differences.
In the first link structure is mentioned as one difference.

First link

A number of structural elements in the human brain differ between males and females. “Structural” refers to actual parts of the brain and the way they are built, including their size and/or mass.

Females often have a larger hippocampus, our human memory center. Females also often have a higher density of neural connections into the hippocampus

and

Male brains utilize nearly seven times more gray matter for activity while female brains utilize nearly ten times more white matter.

I’ve seen similar articles in the past, and what I notice is that everything is qualified. “Men tend to…”, or “women often…” It’s not easy to identify objective differences between male and female brains.

 

[Monkey1976]

I’ve seen similar articles in the past, and what I notice is that everything is qualified. “Men tend to…”, or “women often…” It’s not easy to identify objective differences between male and female brains.

Not to mention, these “differences” have a considerable amount of overlap in the ranges for male and female.

Without running a test to look for XX or XY chromosomes, there is NO way to definitively tell the difference between the brain of a man and the brain of a woman.

 

[SMGS127]

Not to mention, these “differences” have a considerable amount of overlap in the ranges for male and female.

Without running a test to look for XX or XY chromosomes, there is NO way to definitively tell the difference between the brain of a man and the brain of a woman.

This is actually factually incorrect.

Not only is there little-to-no overlap in many of the gender dichotomous areas of the brain, but male brains and female brains can be distinguished in autopsy, even without knowing the sex of the corpse.

 

[Monkey1976]

This is actually factually incorrect.

Not only is there little-to-no overlap in many of the gender dichotomous areas of the brain, but male brains and female brains can be distinguished in autopsy, even without knowing the sex of the corpse.

Care to share the study that gives definitive differences between male and female brains?

I see plenty that claim to see a difference, but when one looks at their ranges, there is enough overlap to make sexing a brain an iffy proposition at best. Hence their use of qualifiers like “tend to”, “on average”, “generally”, etc.

What structure in the brain is definitively, 100% different in all cases between male and female?

 

[SMGS127]

Care to share the study that gives definitive differences between male and female brains?

I see plenty that claim to see a difference, but when one looks at their ranges, there is enough overlap to make sexing a brain an iffy proposition at best. Hence their use of qualifiers like “tend to”, “on average”, “generally”, etc.

What structure in the brain is definitively, 100% different in all cases between male and female?

press.endocrine.org/doi/abs/10.1210/jcem-38-1-113

 

[Monkey1976]

press.endocrine.org/doi/abs/10.1210/jcem-38-1-113

That study is about production of hormones by the gonads in fetal development. Structures of the brain are not even mentioned other than the fact that the brain produces a small amount of dihydrotestosterone in both males and females.

Despite popular opinion, the gonads are not the brain.

 

[Joie_de_Vivre]

Not to mention, these “differences” have a considerable amount of overlap in the ranges for male and female.

Without running a test to look for XX or XY chromosomes, there is NO way to definitively tell the difference between the brain of a man and the brain of a woman.

Even an XY Karyotype wouldn’t necessarily mean the person was male as CAIS can result in the person being phenotypically female at last from an outside look.

 

[estesbob]

That study is about production of hormones by the gonads in fetal development. Structures of the brain are not even mentioned other than the fact that the brain produces a small amount of dihydrotestosterone in both males and females.

Despite popular opinion, the gonads are not the brain.

When you are an 18-year-old male they are

 

[J_Peterson]

This is actually factually incorrect.

Not only is there little-to-no overlap in many of the gender dichotomous areas of the brain, but male brains and female brains can be distinguished in autopsy, even without knowing the sex of the corpse.

I’m curious why people find this hard to believe or are so against the very idea that there are differences. To me, it helps confirm that gender theory (or whatever it’s called) is false. There are two genders and they are immutable.

If someone can prove that male and female brains are exactly the same, what would it prove exactly?

 

[TheSeeker2014]

I’ve seen similar articles in the past, and what I notice is that everything is qualified. “Men tend to…”, or “women often…” It’s not easy to identify objective differences between male and female brains.

Not to mention, these “differences” have a considerable amount of overlap in the ranges for male and female.

Without running a test to look for XX or XY chromosomes, there is NO way to definitively tell the difference between the brain of a man and the brain of a woman.

They have to say Men tend to or women often because of the cases of Intersexed individuals!
Men tend to have male parts… well I guess that ends that. I guess some women are male then.
Even chromosomes are a structural difference… and you forgot XXY

And I agree with the post of the autopsy.

 

[SWolf]

When you are an 18-year-old male they are

 

[ucfengr]

They have to say Men tend to or women often because of the cases of Intersexed individuals!

It has nothing to do with “intersexed” individuals. It has to do with there not being a type of brain that is objectively male or female. Like just about everything else in human physiology, people fall within a spectrum and between males and females there is quite a bit of overlap.

 

[TheSeeker2014]

It has nothing to do with “intersexed” individuals. It has to do with there not being a type of brain that is objectively male or female. Like just about everything else in human physiology, people fall within a spectrum and between males and females there is quite a bit of overlap.

If you can tell the difference between a female and male brain, and you can, an intersexed person could have a male brain and identify as male but also have female organs.

Why is it so “impossible” for a person to appear male identify as female and have a female brain?

No different than people with XXY XX and XY and identifying as the opposite gender than the sex shows.

 

[ucfengr]

If you can tell the difference between a female and male brain, and you can, an intersexed person could have a male brain and identify as male but also have female organs.

Why is it so “impossible” for a person to appear male identify as female and have a female brain?

No different than people with XXY XX and XY and identifying as the opposite gender than the sex shows.

How can you tell the difference between a male and female brain? If you had 100 random brains, how would you tell with 100% accuracy which are which?

 

[Darryl1958]

Life without parameters is a miserable affair. Infinite choice is overwhelming, and rather than freeing us, fills us with dread and anxiety.

People are killing themselves in our society today are doing so not because there is not enough choices, and not enough tolerance, but because choice is virtually infinite, and nothing is too inane or preposterous to be prohibited.

 

[estesbob]

How can you tell the difference between a male and female brain? If you had 100 random brains, how would you tell with 100% accuracy which are which?

For the entire history of mankind people heave been able to determine gender quite well without having to look at their brains

 

[TheSeeker2014]

How can you tell the difference between a male and female brain? If you had 100 random brains, how would you tell with 100% accuracy which are which?

Without the possiblity if the person being intersexed? I told you.

Intersexed has everything to do with it for the fact that they are considered the “gray area” of gender. They are a perfect example of it since alot of people tend to point to gays as how they were raised or how they were exposed. Intersexed has physical aspects that cannot be ignored.

So what if trans are actually intersexed and the proof ends up being the brain STRUCTURE? They are just more intersexed people trying to feel comfortable in their own body.

 

[Monkey1976]

Intersexed has everything to do with it for the fact that they are considered the “gray area” of gender. They are a perfect example of it since alot of people tend to point to gays as how they were raised or how they were exposed. Intersexed has physical aspects that cannot be ignored.

It does - that’s why there isn’t a catch-all diagnosis of “Intersexed”. There are specific conditions, each associated with a specific set of symptoms. These have never been considered a “gray area of gender”. There are only two sexes - male and female. Intersexed individuals suffer from certain very specific disorders that cause their bodies to manifest symptoms like ambiguous genitalia. A “transsexual” individual is one who believes that their physically healthy and fully-functioning body is not the one they “should” have. This a denial of a clear physical reality - a mental illness. No different than those people who think they should be a paraplegic in spite of having healthy, functioning limbs.

So what if trans are actually intersexed and the proof ends up being the brain STRUCTURE? They are just more intersexed people trying to feel comfortable in their own body.

Shame that there is no such thing as a brain structure that is unique to only females or only males. If “transsexualism” was a physical disease, there would be consistent markers for it that could be objectively measured. As it is, it is something that is entirely self-reported - there are no truly objective standards of diagnosis.

 

[TheSeeker2014]

It does - that’s why there isn’t a catch-all diagnosis of “Intersexed”. There are specific conditions, each associated with a specific set of symptoms. These have never been considered a “gray area of gender”. There are only two sexes - male and female. Intersexed individuals suffer from certain very specific disorders that cause their bodies to manifest symptoms like ambiguous genitalia. A “transsexual” individual is one who believes that their physically healthy and fully-functioning body is not the one they “should” have. This a denial of a clear physical reality - a mental illness. No different than those people who think they should be a paraplegic in spite of having healthy, functioning limbs.

Shame that there is no such thing as a brain structure that is unique to only females or only males. If “transsexualism” was a physical disease, there would be consistent markers for it that could be objectively measured. As it is, it is something that is entirely self-reported - there are no truly objective standards of diagnosis.

Actually there are many people who go through life not knowing they are intersexed… and some may be tested as a baby and it not show up until after puberty. because each intersexed person is unquie, they are not all the same. So… It is not very specific. There is an umbrella of “types” of intersexed people. Most trans do not get tested for intersex. So, how do they know they arent? Intersexed people are a functioning body fyi. It just has two sexes.

I cannot help what you will not accept that scientists use for autopsys…or anatamy.
And intersexed people do not have a disease.
And if there is something beyond “mental” with transexualism… just because we do not see it now, does not mean we will not later.
Look at MS for example since you want to compare these people to dieases… for the longest time it was nothing but crazy mental people because health people and scientists did not see anything phyiscal… guess what now? Oh! It is actually a diease that is phyiscal that effects the covering of the nerves (myelin sheath) So much for sticking them in mental facilities… I belive that is how we are going to end up looking at conversion therapy years later. Just because we come across something we cannot understand or see does not mean we need to fear it or correct it. If anything, they to learn from it and study it. You can’t “fix” what you cannot understand or see.
And this is proves it, “As it is, it is something that is entirely self-reported - there are no truly objective standards of diagnosis.”

Give me reports and data supporting your view if I am wrong. Links please. As to my knowledge no one has been interested enough to do studies between trans and intersexed individuals… either there is none, I have insuffient resources, or I some how missed them.

Your view cannot be completely correct unless my theory is proven wrong, because for yours to be right, it cannot ommit my theory of possiblity that has not even been researched.

 

[spes_salvi]

I think if you are physically male or female and are fertile, then insisting that you have a different gender is a delusion.

Maybe the first step in dealing with transgenders should be to ascertain first one’s reproductive gender. From there, we can investigate on ways how an affected person can conform his beliefs to reality.