transgenderism

[Midwest88]

This is what I read on reddit about transgendersim:

“The medical information out there is pretty clear on this. Sex =/= Gender =/= Sexuality.”

Of course this person is part of the LGBT community so go figure.

What immediately came to mind was Caitlyn Jenner. Thinks he’s he’s female, but doesn’t consider himself a homosexual.

It just appears that those in the LGBT community are trying real hard to normalize this. The “more acceptance, less ignorance” was bandied as well when talking about the full acceptance aka normalization of transgenders.

So sex, gender and sexuality are non-related spheres and our understanding of sex & sexuality has been wrong all along. Because don’t you worry - “medical information” shall prevail on the side of the transgenders. Apparently we’ve been looking at this issue like when we thought the earth was flat! We’ve been wrong! Transgenders are our Galileos!

 

[Heather914]

This is what I read on reddit about transgendersim:

“The medical information out there is pretty clear on this. Sex =/= Gender =/= Sexuality.”

Of course this person is part of the LGBT community so go figure.

What immediately came to mind was Caitlyn Jenner. Thinks he’s he’s female, but doesn’t consider himself a homosexual.

It just appears that those in the LGBT community are trying real hard to normalize this. The “more acceptance, less ignorance” was bandied as well when talking about the full acceptance aka normalization of transgenders.

So sex, gender and sexuality are non-related spheres and our understanding of sex & sexuality has been wrong all along. Because don’t you worry - “medical information” shall prevail on the side of the transgenders. Apparently we’ve been looking at this issue like when we thought the earth was flat! We’ve been wrong! Transgenders are our Galileos!

Personally, I believe it is a mental illness. I know it’s not the PC thing to say, but it’s my opinion.

 

[Joie_de_Vivre]

This is what I read on reddit about transgendersim:

“The medical information out there is pretty clear on this. Sex =/= Gender =/= Sexuality.”

Of course this person is part of the LGBT community so go figure.

What immediately came to mind was Caitlyn Jenner. Thinks he’s he’s female, but doesn’t consider himself a homosexual.

It just appears that those in the LGBT community are trying real hard to normalize this. The “more acceptance, less ignorance” was bandied as well when talking about the full acceptance aka normalization of transgenders.

So sex, gender and sexuality are non-related spheres and our understanding of sex & sexuality has been wrong all along. Because don’t you worry - “medical information” shall prevail on the side of the transgenders. Apparently we’ve been looking at this issue like when we thought the earth was flat! We’ve been wrong! Transgenders are our Galileos!

Science has been increasingly showing that sex is a lot less binary than commonly thought. It also appears that brain sex and body sex can be different due to hormonal imbalances in the womb causing the brain to over or under masculinize.

 

[Peaceful_One]

Science has been increasingly showing that sex is a lot less binary than commonly thought. It also appears that brain sex and body sex can be different due to hormonal imbalances in the womb causing the brain to over or under masculinize.

This may well be. But doesn’t it basically boil down to the brain not working right? I ask this sincerely. Let me explain, I am Bipolar II (my brain doesn’t work right) - science can explain and even treat it - but it is still considered a mental illness. I’m an genuinely confused as to how I can be labeled mental but a transgender person cannot - basically we are in the same boat - out brains don’t work right.

 

[Joie_de_Vivre]

This may well be. But doesn’t it basically boil down to the brain not working right? I ask this sincerely. Let me explain, I am Bipolar II (my brain doesn’t work right) - science can explain and even treat it - but it is still considered a mental illness. I’m an genuinely confused as to how I can be labeled mental but a transgender person cannot - basically we are in the same boat - out brains don’t work right.

There has been nothing shown to improve their welfare except transitioning and such, thus psychologists recommend it.

 

[Vico]

This is what I read on reddit about transgendersim:

“The medical information out there is pretty clear on this. Sex =/= Gender =/= Sexuality.”

Of course this person is part of the LGBT community so go figure.

What immediately came to mind was Caitlyn Jenner. Thinks he’s he’s female, but doesn’t consider himself a homosexual.

It just appears that those in the LGBT community are trying real hard to normalize this. The “more acceptance, less ignorance” was bandied as well when talking about the full acceptance aka normalization of transgenders.

So sex, gender and sexuality are non-related spheres and our understanding of sex & sexuality has been wrong all along. Because don’t you worry - “medical information” shall prevail on the side of the transgenders. Apparently we’ve been looking at this issue like when we thought the earth was flat! We’ve been wrong! Transgenders are our Galileos!

Collins Dictionary
sex: (1) the sum of the characteristics that distinguish organisms on the basis of their reproductive function
Merriam Webster
gender: (2) the behavioral, cultural, or psychological traits typically associated with one sex
Collins Dictionary
sexuality: (1) the state or quality of being sexual

 

[Rhubarb]

This is what I read on reddit about transgendersim:

“The medical information out there is pretty clear on this. Sex =/= Gender =/= Sexuality.”

Of course this person is part of the LGBT community so go figure.

What immediately came to mind was Caitlyn Jenner. Thinks he’s he’s female, but doesn’t consider himself a homosexual.

It just appears that those in the LGBT community are trying real hard to normalize this. The “more acceptance, less ignorance” was bandied as well when talking about the full acceptance aka normalization of transgenders.

So sex, gender and sexuality are non-related spheres and our understanding of sex & sexuality has been wrong all along. Because don’t you worry - “medical information” shall prevail on the side of the transgenders. Apparently we’ve been looking at this issue like when we thought the earth was flat! We’ve been wrong! Transgenders are our Galileos!

The evidence that gender, sex, and orientation are distinct comes to us from sociology, psychology, and anthropology. The studies are out there. You clearly think this is wrong. What can you muster against these studies?

 

[anonymous_in_fl]

I, too, believe “transgenderism” is a type or form of mental illness. I believe it is some what akin to Body Dysmorphic Disorder. It also seems to be similar to how persons with anorexia who are emaciated still verbalize they are “fat” and “feel fat” and even see themselves as “fat” when looking in a mirror.

 

[St_Francis]

This is an hour-long talk by the author of Making Gay OK. It shows why people involved in a sinful lifestyle want acceptance, and explains the natural-law argument against homosexual acts. There is also a second talk.

 

[jediliz]

I saw a man who said his name was Becky at Verizon. Um, that was definitely a man…i was waiting with my mom for assistance, so i was looking at him, searching for an adams apple…cause you can’t get rid of that…

It is a mental illness…they need psychiatric help, not surgery or implants.

 

[mikekle]

There has been nothing shown to improve their welfare except transitioning and such, thus psychologists recommend it.

Thats just because we dont yet know how to best treat it, plus going ahead and indulging their disorder does not always work either, I believe Jenner is having regrets about his change.

The same would be true if we told schizophrenics to just give in to their delusions and treat them as if they are real, this would not solve their problems.

 

[Peter_Plato]

There has been nothing shown to improve their welfare except transitioning and such, thus psychologists recommend it.

Psychologists who recommend “transitioning and such” should transition themselves out of psychology – perhaps into a trade that involves lots of manual labour to reconnect themselves with the integrity of their bodies.

 

[edwest2]

Who cleared the way for turning Sexual Identity Disorder into not a disorder? LGBT activists who had been lobbying the APA for years to change the classification. Lobbying is not a scientific reason or a rational reason for the APA to do this. Opinions don’t matter.

ncregister.com/daily-news/psychiatrys-new-normal-transgendered-persons

Ed

 

[o_mlly]

Science has been increasingly showing that sex is a lot less binary than commonly thought. It also appears that brain sex and body sex can be different due to hormonal imbalances in the womb causing the brain to over or under masculinize.

The soul has no gender. If one’s chromosomes are XX then one is male; XY female. Operations do not change one’s chromosomes rather such surgeons mutilate the human body unnecessarily and therefore, immorally.

 

[Hatikvah]

It is the mutilation of the human body, presumably meeting the three conditions – therefore, it is a mortal sin. Lord have mercy.

 

[Vico]

The soul has no gender. If one’s chromosomes are XX then one is male; XY female. Operations do not change one’s chromosomes rather such surgeons mutilate the human body unnecessarily and therefore, immorally.

That is a tough statement to make at least with reference to St. Thomas Aquinas that held that the human soul is in essence the substantial form of a human body, and body and soul together make up one substance. (They are partial substances, and the soul can exist without the body but not the converse.) The person only exists when both the body and soul are united which means a person has the attribute of sex and gender from the body, but the soul is unique to that body and will have the will and intelligence for it. So, could there be gender in the soul then as part of the intelligence and will?

 

[Joie_de_Vivre]

I, too, believe “transgenderism” is a type or form of mental illness. I believe it is some what akin to Body Dysmorphic Disorder. It also seems to be similar to how persons with anorexia who are emaciated still verbalize they are “fat” and “feel fat” and even see themselves as “fat” when looking in a mirror.

Transgender people are fully aware of what their body is and that causes them distress whereas for someone suffering from anorexia nervosa they believe their body is something to the contrary to what it is.

Thats just because we dont yet know how to best treat it, plus going ahead and indulging their disorder does not always work either, I believe Jenner is having regrets about his change.

The same would be true if we told schizophrenics to just give in to their delusions and treat them as if they are real, this would not solve their problems.

We haven’t found anything better in decades and the rate of regretting surgery is in fact quite low with the rate of those regretting hormone treatment in transwomen even lower.

The soul has no gender. If one’s chromosomes are XX then one is male; XY female. Operations do not change one’s chromosomes rather such surgeons mutilate the human body unnecessarily and therefore, immorally.

And how many people actually get their chromosomes tested? What about chimeras? In the case of a chimera is it a preponderance of XX or XY? If a person is mostly XY chromosome, but gives birth that automatically means they are female, right? What about Klinefelter’s Syndrome where one has an XXY chromosome configuration? How about CAIS where the chromosomes are XY, but the body and mind develop as female for the most part? My point is that “XX is female, XY is male and there are no exceptions” is a rather inaccurate belief.

And what of cases of profound psychological distress, is it really unnecessary at that point?

 

[anonymous_in_fl]

Our Pope has spoken against gender theory ideology on multiple occasions (here is just one: cnsnews.com/commentary/dr-paul-kengor/pope-francis-vs-demon-gender-theory)

I understand there are people who call themselves Catholic but advocate for all sorts of things that go against Catholic teachings (abortion, euthanisia, same-sex marriage, etc).
Our responsibility and duty is to use the teachings of our faith to form our conscience— and when there is a conflict, we ought to pray for understanding of our Church’s viewpoint and how to make it our own.

 

[St_Francis]

Transgender people are fully aware of what their body is and that causes them distress whereas for someone suffering from anorexia nervosa they believe their body is something to the contrary to what it is.

This is also the case with Body Dismorphia, no?

We haven’t found anything better in decades and the rate of regretting surgery is in fact quite low with the rate of those regretting hormone treatment in transwomen even lower.

Just because we have not found a “better” “treatment” does not mean that we should be going along with hormonal disruption and mutilative surgery, nor that we should stop looking for one, which is what happens when we decide that a situation is not abnormal.

I would be interested in finding out how well tracked post-operative transgender people are, along with how many “drop out” during the process.

And how many people actually get their chromosomes tested? What about chimeras? In the case of a chimera is it a preponderance of XX or XY? If a person is mostly XY chromosome, but gives birth that automatically means they are female, right? What about Klinefelter’s Syndrome where one has an XXY chromosome configuration? How about CAIS where the chromosomes are XY, but the body and mind develop as female for the most part? My point is that “XX is female, XY is male and there are no exceptions” is a rather inaccurate belief.
While it is true that there are cases of genetic abnormality, accidents, etc., these are exceptions, and they are exceptions apart from transgenderism.

If we were searching for a treatment, seems like genetic testing would be a requirement of transitioning, no?

And what of cases of profound psychological distress, is it really unnecessary at that point?

How do we treat other cases of profound psychosocial distress? If Sue experiences profound psychological distress because the man who violently attacked her, leaving her paralyzed, can still walk, should we paralyze the attacker?

The problem is that our society has no way of helping those in distress, and does not want to hear about it, so they do absurd things to “fix” distress-causing situations.

 

[o_mlly]

That is a tough statement to make at least with reference to St. Thomas Aquinas that held that the human soul is in essence the substantial form of a human body, and body and soul together make up one substance. (They are partial substances, and the soul can exist without the body but not the converse.) The person only exists when both the body and soul are united which means a person has the attribute of sex and gender from the body, but the soul is unique to that body and will have the will and intelligence for it. So, could there be gender in the soul then as part of the intelligence and will?

St. Thomas’ teaching are foundational to Catholic teaching but have been developed and refined by the Magisterium.

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Default Re: Gender of a soul
Hi,

Our gender comes from our bodies–not our souls. Gender is a body thing. Angels do not have genders.

Fr. Vincent Serpa, O.P.

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