transgenderism

[Vico]

St. Thomas’ teaching are foundational to Catholic teaching but have been developed and refined by the Magisterium.

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Default Re: Gender of a soul
Hi,

Our gender comes from our bodies–not our souls. Gender is a body thing. Angels do not have genders.

Fr. Vincent Serpa, O.P.

forums.catholic-questions.org/showthread.php?t=341074

I am so glad you found that reference. Thank you.

 

[CarolNoel]

I, too, believe “transgenderism” is a type or form of mental illness. I believe it is some what akin to Body Dysmorphic Disorder. It also seems to be similar to how persons with anorexia who are emaciated still verbalize they are “fat” and “feel fat” and even see themselves as “fat” when looking in a mirror.

Interesting. Never thought of that. Thanks for pointing it out.

 

[o_mlly]

… My point is that “XX is female, XY is male and there are no exceptions” is a rather inaccurate belief.

Who are you quoting?

The soul has no gender. If one’s chromosomes are XX then one is male; XY female.

 

[edwest2]

Our Pope has spoken against gender theory ideology on multiple occasions (here is just one: cnsnews.com/commentary/dr-paul-kengor/pope-francis-vs-demon-gender-theory)

I understand there are people who call themselves Catholic but advocate for all sorts of things that go against Catholic teachings (abortion, euthanisia, same-sex marriage, etc).
Our responsibility and duty is to use the teachings of our faith to form our conscience— and when there is a conflict, we ought to pray for understanding of our Church’s viewpoint and how to make it our own.

Well said. Thank you.

Ed

 

[Sarcelle]

Science has been increasingly showing that sex is a lot less binary than commonly thought. It also appears that brain sex and body sex can be different due to hormonal imbalances in the womb causing the brain to over or under masculinize.

I suspect that is the case.

We do not know the effect the hormonal makeup in the womb will have on the developing brain of the foetus. There have been studies done on girls who have been exposed to a high level of testosterone in the womb due to their mothers taking a certain drug. Anyway these girls scored higher when it came to more masculine characteristics than girls who were not exposed to higher levels of testosterone.

There is so much about the brain that we don’t know.

 

[Sarcelle]

Our Pope has spoken against gender theory ideology on multiple occasions (here is just one: cnsnews.com/commentary/dr-paul-kengor/pope-francis-vs-demon-gender-theory)

I understand there are people who call themselves Catholic but advocate for all sorts of things that go against Catholic teachings (abortion, euthanisia, same-sex marriage, etc).
Our responsibility and duty is to use the teachings of our faith to form our conscience— and when there is a conflict, we ought to pray for understanding of our Church’s viewpoint and how to make it our own.

We as a society have not really dealt well with mental illness. In fact mentally ill people have not been treated really well at all. Mental illness is poorly understood.

We should do better than say that transgender people are going against Church doctrine and leaving it at that. Question is how do we as the Church help them other than just preaching at them?

 

[ricmat]

The soul has no gender. If one’s chromosomes are XX then one is male; XY female. Operations do not change one’s chromosomes rather such surgeons mutilate the human body unnecessarily and therefore, immorally.

It is the mutilation of the human body, presumably meeting the three conditions – therefore, it is a mortal sin. Lord have mercy.

AMEN to both of the above.

Also:

Trans people have exactly the same DNA as they did before the transition. Bodily mutation does not change that.

“Ohhh… but it makes them feel better.” Yes, and when someone claims to be Napoleon or Batman or a parrot trapped in a man’s body and we all go along with that, it makes them feel better too. But in the end it is a lie and we are now told by the government that we must all participate in the facade, which makes us accessories to the lie. It is a sin.

 

[Joie_de_Vivre]

Our Pope has spoken against gender theory ideology on multiple occasions (here is just one: cnsnews.com/commentary/dr-paul-kengor/pope-francis-vs-demon-gender-theory)

I understand there are people who call themselves Catholic but advocate for all sorts of things that go against Catholic teachings (abortion, euthanisia, same-sex marriage, etc).
Our responsibility and duty is to use the teachings of our faith to form our conscience— and when there is a conflict, we ought to pray for understanding of our Church’s viewpoint and how to make it our own.

From everything I’ve read the gender ideology they attack is the third wave feminist kind where they claim that all psychological differences between males and females is nurture and that men and women are interchangeable such as in marriage. Coincidentally, those people tend to vehemently hate transgender people.

This is also the case with Body Dismorphia, no?

Just because we have not found a “better” “treatment” does not mean that we should be going along with hormonal disruption and mutilative surgery, nor that we should stop looking for one, which is what happens when we decide that a situation is not abnormal.

I would be interested in finding out how well tracked post-operative transgender people are, along with how many “drop out” during the process.

While it is true that there are cases of genetic abnormality, accidents, etc., these are exceptions, and they are exceptions apart from transgenderism.

If we were searching for a treatment, seems like genetic testing would be a requirement of transitioning, no?

How do we treat other cases of profound psychosocial distress? If Sue experiences profound psychological distress because the man who violently attacked her, leaving her paralyzed, can still walk, should we paralyze the attacker?

The problem is that our society has no way of helping those in distress, and does not want to hear about it, so they do absurd things to “fix” distress-causing situations.

Would you argue against chemotherapy because all it is doing is injecting massive amounts of poison into the body to try to kill the cancer without killing the person? It also doesn’t have a 100% success rate, after all five year life expectancy is much lower.

Do you really not understand the differences between largely cosmetic surgery on someone to improve their own psychological state and maiming person B to make person A feel better?

St. Thomas’ teaching are foundational to Catholic teaching but have been developed and refined by the Magisterium.

Catholic Answers Apologist
Default Re: Gender of a soul
Hi,

Our gender comes from our bodies–not our souls. Gender is a body thing. Angels do not have genders.

Fr. Vincent Serpa, O.P.

forums.catholic-questions.org/showthread.php?t=341074

He seems to be treating sex and gender as identical things which they are not. What about when the body and brain are sexed oppositely?

Who are you quoting?

It is a common forum sentiment.

AMEN to both of the above.

Also:

Trans people have exactly the same DNA as they did before the transition. Bodily mutation does not change that.

“Ohhh… but it makes them feel better.” Yes, and when someone claims to be Napoleon or Batman or a parrot trapped in a man’s body and we all go along with that, it makes them feel better too. But in the end it is a lie and we are now told by the government that we must all participate in the facade, which makes us accessories to the lie. It is a sin.

Here is the thing, for transgender people there is substantial evidence in favour of the brain being the opposite sex as the body.

 

[Vico]

From everything I’ve read the gender ideology they attack is the third wave feminist kind where they claim that all psychological differences between males and females is nurture and that men and women are interchangeable such as in marriage. Coincidentally, those people tend to vehemently hate transgender people.

Would you argue against chemotherapy because all it is doing is injecting massive amounts of poison into the body to try to kill the cancer without killing the person? It also doesn’t have a 100% success rate, after all five year life expectancy is much lower.

Do you really not understand the differences between largely cosmetic surgery on someone to improve their own psychological state and maiming person B to make person A feel better?

He seems to be treating sex and gender as identical things which they are not. What about when the body and brain are sexed oppositely?

It is a common forum sentiment.

Here is the thing, for transgender people there is substantial evidence in favour of the brain being the opposite sex as the body.

The brain is part of the body so you mean that the brain is one sex and the rest of the body is the other sex?

 

[Joie_de_Vivre]

The brain is part of the body so you mean that the brain is one sex and the rest of the body is the other sex?

Indeed and such a state can very much exist as the rest of the body and the brain are sexed by hormones at different times.

 

[Vico]

Indeed and such a state can very much exist as the rest of the body and the brain are sexed by hormones at different times.

From my research, it is known that for male virilization, the person, regardless of chromosomes, must be sensitive to testosterone. There are people born with mosaicism, so that portions of the body have different chromosomes. Also chromosome 17 can cause maleness. The chromosomes 1, 2, 3, 4, 7, 8, 9, 10, 11, 12, 17, 19 all have effects on sexual development. The majority of chromosomes effecting sexual development are not on X or Y.

 

[St_Francis]

From everything I’ve read the gender ideology they attack is the third wave feminist kind where they claim that all psychological differences between males and females is nurture and that men and women are interchangeable such as in marriage. Coincidentally, those people tend to vehemently hate transgender people.

No, this is not the case for all who *disagree with *gender ideology. Some or even many see it as a continuation of the dismantling of social foundations which began with acceptance of artificial birth control and increased ease in divorce.

Would you argue against chemotherapy because all it is doing is injecting massive amounts of poison into the body to try to kill the cancer without killing the person? It also doesn’t have a 100% success rate, after all five year life expectancy is much lower.

Do you really not understand the difference between fixing a broken body and mutilating a healthy one?

Do you really not understand the differences between largely cosmetic surgery on someone to improve their own psychological state and maiming person B to make person A feel better?

I don’t understand the difference between taking money to mutilate one body or another to relieve psychological distress, no. Why would it not be ok to cause an attacker to be in the same state as his victim, esp if that would relieve the psychological distress which he caused?

He seems to be treating sex and gender as identical things which they are not. What about when the body and brain are sexed oppositely?

How is gender not a made-up thing?

It is a common forum sentiment.

To which the reply is frequently the digression away from TG to those whose genes are actually disrupted. You know what they mean…

Here is the thing, for transgender people there is substantial evidence in favour of the brain being the opposite sex as the body.

Not really; all we have a small amount of evidence of is that TG brains seem closer to the opposite sex’s than usual or average, and even these observations may be biased, as has happened in other tests of this sort.

Moreover, correlation does not equal causation. Given the responsiveness or plasticity of the brain, determining the cause may be very difficult, and begs the question ofwhether the state of the brain warrants the vast medical machinery used against the body given all that we do not know?

 

[o_mlly]

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And what of cases of profound psychological distress, is it [mutilation] really unnecessary at that point?

How much of the so-called “transgender” psychological distress is caused by the modern culture’s emasculation and effeminization of the male?

I recommend Fr. Ripperger’s lecture, “How to Raise a Man.” Google it; it will only cost you a decade of the rosary.

 

[LethalMouse]

There has been nothing shown to improve their welfare except transitioning and such, thus psychologists recommend it.

I dont care enough to look it up, but last I read the post op suicides and such were rather high… as in it does not really help.

Like the bipolar guy who chimed in mental illness is just that.

I dont mind labels persay or trestments, but there are two types of Bipolar for example. Those who recognize there is an issue witb themselves, and those who use it for gain and demand special treatment. And before we diagnosed bipolar if someone was and they didn’t acknowledge they were wrong we called then a jerk/witch.

Same logic applies, a transgender is in the wrong like the bipolar. They can seek to be right, or demand special treatment. In our society special treatment makes for a good life and possible advantageous lawsuits… in a morally devoid world, do you want to be righted or seek special treatment selfishly??? I think the leanings of our society toward bipolars, restless legs, sad people and trans speaks volumes.

 

[Heather914]

I dont care enough to look it up, but last I read the post op suicides and such were rather high… as in it does not really help.

Like the bipolar guy who chimed in mental illness is just that.

I dont mind labels persay or trestments, but there are two types of Bipolar for example. Those who recognize there is an issue witb themselves, and those who use it for gain and demand special treatment. And before we diagnosed bipolar if someone was and they didn’t acknowledge they were wrong we called then a jerk/witch.

Same logic applies, a transgender is in the wrong like the bipolar. They can seek to be right, or demand special treatment. In our society special treatment makes for a good life and possible advantageous lawsuits… in a morally devoid world, do you want to be righted or seek special treatment selfishly??? I think the leanings of our society toward bipolars, restless legs, sad people and trans speaks volumes.

Whoooaaaa…WAIT A MINUTE. You are saying that people who are Bipolar demand special treatment?? EXCUSE me a moment. I have Bipolar type 2. There are days when I literally cannot function. Have YOU ever had a mental illness? Unless you have, you have no right to judge those who do. Period.

 

[Strydersroom]

The LGBTQ do not want special treatment, just equal treatment.

 

[ricmat]

The LGBTQ do not want special treatment, just equal treatment.

I think you’re lumping a lot together there.

In terms of just the “T” community, what we are being told is that we (everybody else) must change reality to conform to their delusion, that we must actually believe the deception, the lie, and that we must actively participate in the lie. We are told that the “solution” is not for them to fix what’s broken, but rather to break what’s not broken.

That’s pretty special it seems to me.

 

[LethalMouse]

Whoooaaaa…WAIT A MINUTE. You are saying that people who are Bipolar demand special treatment?? EXCUSE me a moment. I have Bipolar type 2. There are days when I literally cannot function. Have YOU ever had a mental illness? Unless you have, you have no right to judge those who do. Period.

I listed TWO categories

I had put you in the good category…

Should I take it back???

 

[HelenRose]

The LGBTQ do not want special treatment, just equal treatment.

I have never known what “equal treatment” means.

The over weight people are not treated as thin people.
The elderly are not treated as the young.
The young are not given the respect as the elderly.
Those with Down Syndrome are killed in the womb.

The short people are made fun of.
The tall people are made fun of.
People with red hair are made fun of.
People with tattoos are criticized
Country folk are called Red Necks.

There are Catholic jokes.
There a Mormon jokes.

I personally do not know a person who does not have some problem that makes it difficult to live the kind of life that they would want to have.

My grand child was killed in a car accident.
Babies were cruicified is Iraq.
Children are starving through out the world.
Slavery in the sex trade is a multi billion dollar industry.
Many people are dying of cancer.

Somehow I just can’t see why the world must revolve around the problems that the often very well off LGBTQ community has to face.

 

[LethalMouse]

How much of the so-called “transgender” psychological distress is caused by the modern culture’s emasculation and effeminization of the male?

I recommend Fr. Ripperger’s lecture, “How to Raise a Man.” Google it; it will only cost you a decade of the rosary.

My leading theory is it is much like animals that change gender in absence a breeding pair.

With the lines blurred between men and women we attempt to either complete ourselves and be our own other half, or to fill a void. Seriously, if I could be gay… they can out feminine most women bc few women can fem lol.

But kidding aside my girl is cool and has all the girly parts and stuff.