Transitional Fossils and the Theory of Evolution in relation to Genesis Accounts

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Uh, no. I know what is made based on lived experience and knowledge gained. What does “authorative trust” even mean?
 
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o_mlly said:
Got it. Thought your lower case “L’” was a capital “I”.
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No problem…it happens a lot!
o_mlly said:
Please define “species” and cite the observation of a speciation event that has been observed.
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There is more than one definition. They include:
  • Allopatric speciation occurs when an animal population is forced to be split between two geographical areas as a result of geographical change. As a result, there are mutations that occur in the split populations which affect the ability of the two groups to reproduce if and when they are reintroduced.
  • Peripatric speciation occurs when new species arise in isolation. As in allopatric speciation, the new species is unable to reproduce with others in the original population.
  • Parapatric speciation occurs when populations are only partially separated and therefore do sometimes make contact. In this situation, the reproduction is based on selection of the best traits within the group.
  • Sympatric speciation is differentiated from the other three because it occurs in one geographic location. Some scientists would call this type of speciation controversial and there are some who do not believe it exists. The cause of sympatric speciation is not known but could be based on varied food sources or traits that spontaneously develop.
Examples:
  • In 1905 de Vries found that some of his evening primroses, Oenothera lamarckiana, had developed a variant number of chromosomes that was not able to be bred with the original plant. The new species was then named Oenothera gigas.
  • A sterile hybrid of the primrose species Primula verticillata and primula floribunda were crossbred. The offspring were fertile, therefore showing macroevolution, and were named Primula kewensis.
  • The tragopogon miscellus was a macroevolution of Tragopogon dubius and Tragopogon protensis.
  • The flower tragopogon mirus independently originated, indicating macroevolution of the tragopogon species.
  • Tragopogon micelius was found by Owenby in 1950 to have originated in through various hybridizations.
  • An attempt by Russian scientist Karphchenko to cross a radish with a cabbage resulted initially in the creation of hybrid plant that was sterile. However, the seeds of those plants became fertile with the parent species, creating the new plant Raphanobrassica.
  • Hemp nettle was a new species of plant created by the hybridization, in natural form, of Galeopsis pubescens and Galeopsis speciosa.
Taken from Examples of Speciation
 
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There is more than one definition. They include:
  • Allopatric speciation occurs when an animal population is forced to be split between two geographical areas as a result of geographical change. As a result, there are mutations that occur in the split populations which affect the ability of the two groups to reproduce if and when they are reintroduced.
  • Peripatric speciation occurs when new species arise in isolation. As in allopatric speciation, the new species is unable to reproduce with others in the original population.
  • Parapatric speciation occurs when populations are only partially separated and therefore do sometimes make contact. In this situation, the reproduction is based on selection of the best traits within the group.
  • Sympatric speciation is differentiated from the other three because it occurs in one geographic location. Some scientists would call this type of speciation controversial and there are some who do not believe it exists. The cause of sympatric speciation is not known but could be based on varied food sources or traits that spontaneously develop.
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Lineage splitting with loss of function once had. Continued loss of function make organism more brittle and the limited adaptability leads to extinction.
 
buffalo said:
Lineage splitting with loss of function once had. Continued loss of function make organism more brittle and the limited adaptability leads to extinction.
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Yes, for those that went extinct. Not for those that continue to thrive and reproduce. Whatever loss they had was more than made up for by what they gained…survivability!
 
buffalo said:
Lineage splitting with loss of function once had. Continued loss of function make organism more brittle and the limited adaptability leads to extinction.
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Same claim, same amount of evidence given. That amount is none.
 
I just call it life.

Since all life has evolved, by your statement all life would be extinct. That’s obviously not the case.
 
No, my claim, supported by evidence, is that there is no degradation at all.
 
The majority of mutations do nothing. If they’re harmful, they’re likely not passed on as the organism dies before it can reproduce. Speciation is the result of beneficial mutations that increase the survivability of an organism.
 
Capta(name removed by moderator)rudeman said:
The majority of mutations do nothing. If they’re harmful, they’re likely not passed on as the organism dies before it can reproduce. Speciation is the result of beneficial mutations that increase the survivability of an organism.
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No - if a mutation is deleterious and happens before reproduction it is passed on. We call many neutral because we see no obvious change.

To be fair, we must consider the error correcting mechanisms that through several iterations try to correct these errors. In addition, the complex genetic code has schemes to protect, similar to parity bits. If the error cannot be corrected after this process is complete it will be passed on. Life is programmed to continue on with its built in adaptability. Now we have learned about cell directed mutations.

A mutation that confers a temporary survival benefit results in losing information over the long run.
 
buffalo said:
A mutation that confers a temporary survival benefit results in losing information over the long run.
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And? Why does this matter?

I don’t care too much about anything else you said, because this is the heart of your entire argument. Why does the “loss of information” change anything about an organism?
 
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Capta(name removed by moderator)rudeman said:
I don’t care too much about anything else you said, because this is the heart of your entire argument. Why does the “loss of information” change anything about an organism?
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Because the organism depends on the preservation of the information storage system that instructs it.

Your computer system storage system will ultimately fail if enough errors accumulate. It will also fail if only one in the right place occurs.
 
I’m not asking for a walk through of a theory. I need empirical, scientific evidence of your claim.
 
buffalo said:
Let’s start with this. Are you aware of the fact that the idea of junk DNA is wrong?
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We need to walk through it.

Let’s start with this. Are you aware of the fact that the idea of junk DNA is wrong?
 
Fine, I’ll play your game.

That is incorrect. While it may contain biomarkers or other informational features, non-coding DNA is not involved in the creation of proteins other than telling the transcription enzyme that the relevant code is finished. As a result, mutations inside this non-coding DNA don’t influence cell function.
 
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