Transitional Fossils and the Theory of Evolution in relation to Genesis Accounts

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Eric_Hyom said:
If God is in control, then he can guide mutations.
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F: Morning God.
G: Morning Freddy. How are things?
F: Pretty good. Look, there’ s a guy I’been talking to who doesn’t grasp your involvement with evolution. Can you give us your perspective on this?
G: No worries. Look, it’s like this. I could have created everything instantly if I wanted. But you’re obviously aware that I used a different method. You’ve seen tbe evidence, right?
F: Yeah. You went with evolution rather that creationism.
G: Exactly right. And what I did was to ensure that the genetic code that passes on information from one generation to the next doesn’t work perfectly.
F: What? You intentionally made it imperfect?
G: Yeah. Sounds counter intuitive, doesn’t it. But here’s the reason. When the code is passed from one generation to the next, sometimes there’s an error in the copying. And that causes a slight change in the organism.
F: But wouldn’t the change generally be a negative one?
G: For sure. But a small percentage will be beneficial. And if it’s beneficial then it will help the organism…
F: …to survive longer? And then be able to pass on the advantage to the next generation!
G: You got it. That’s right. The negative changes simply die out and the positive ones get fixed into the population.
F: So there’s…a gradual improvement. An increased ability to survive.
G: Yep. But of course, sometimes there’s an evironmental change and one particular organism doesn’t adapt quickly enough. So…
F: …extinction?
G: Right again.
F: So, if we use an example…
G: How about the eye?
F: Yeah. So it started off very basic.
G: Yes. It was just a light sensitive cell to start. Caused by…
F: …a copying error.
G: Correct. And over millions of generations over millions of years, if a glitch in the dna code resulted in a slight advantage, then that advantage would be kept and fixed in the population.
F: So the eye would evolve.
G: Yeah. It’s happened a few times, actually. Different glitches in the code resulted in a different path being taken so we have different eye types now.
F: But isn’t this a very slow process?
G: Depends on your definition of slow. Even if the change to the organism’s ‘eye’ was only 0.005% each time…
F: That’s nothing at all.
G: You’re right. But over millions of generations, even a tiny adavantage keeps the system running. And with even just that small incremental improvement, we could have a fully formed eye evolving from a light sensitive patch in…I dunno… less than half a million years.
F: Well thanks, God. I’ll pass this info on and see if it’s acceptable.
G: No worries, Fred. Stay safe.
 
Capta(name removed by moderator)rudeman said:
God designed our universe according to unbreakable physical laws. Those laws govern every interaction between matter in our world. It is these laws which result in mutation, and these laws which create differing conditions which cause natural selection to matter. How can God “guide” mutations, exactly? They’re not random events, they’re deterministic. Replicate the same exact conditions and the same thing will happen, every time. Our existence is not an accident, it’s the natural result of how our universe was created. You think mutation and natural selection are random, but I don’t know why. I’ve maintained that they’re deterministic, because they have to be. All interactions between matter are
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A new intelligent design proponent. Welcome…
 
Freddy said:
F: Morning God.
G: Morning Freddy. How are things?
F: Pretty good. Look, there’ s a guy I’been talking to who doesn’t grasp your involvement with evolution. Can you give us your perspective on this?
G: No worries. Look, it’s like this. I could have created everything instantly if I wanted. But you’re obviously aware that I used a different method. You’ve seen tbe evidence, right?
F: Yeah. You went with evolution rather that creationism.
G: Exactly right. And what I did was to ensure that the genetic code that passes on information from one generation to the next doesn’t work perfectly.
F: What? You intentionally made it imperfect?
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No, what I created was good. I said it several times just to make sure you got it. Then the fall came about… I allowed the 2nd law to take effect as well as genetic entropy. Adam was my great creation as I created the universe just for him. I endowed him with preternatural gifts.
 
Capta(name removed by moderator)rudeman said:
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Techno2000:
Man’s encroachment on an environment is a modern-day phenomenon that has nothing to do with natural climate change.
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Ah yes, because an amphibian can certainly tell the difference between a temperature rise caused by man and a temperature rise caused by natural cycles. It’s called the “That’s not how that really works” effect.
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Well, if all the amphibians are dying because of man-made global warming, and evolution doesn’t have an answer for it, then evolution is useless.
 
Techno2000 said:
Well, if all the amphibians are dying because of man-made global warming, and evolution doesn’t have an answer for it, then evolution is useless.
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Evolution takes a lot longer than we’re giving the Amphibians.

This statement casts severe doubt on your understanding of evolution.
 
Techno2000 said:
Capta(name removed by moderator)rudeman:
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Techno2000:
Man’s encroachment on an environment is a modern-day phenomenon that has nothing to do with natural climate change.
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Ah yes, because an amphibian can certainly tell the difference between a temperature rise caused by man and a temperature rise caused by natural cycles. It’s called the “That’s not how that really works” effect.
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Well, if all the amphibians are dying because of man-made global warming, and evolution doesn’t have an answer for it, then evolution is useless.
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G: Yep. But of course, sometimes there’s an evironmental change and one particular organism doesn’t adapt quickly enough. So…
F: …extinction?
G: Right again.
 
It’s almost like changing climate causes all mass extinctions in the first place…
 
Capta(name removed by moderator)rudeman said:
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Techno2000:
Well, if all the amphibians are dying because of man-made global warming, and evolution doesn’t have an answer for it, then evolution is useless.
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Evolution takes a lot longer than we’re giving the Amphibians.

This statement casts severe doubt on your understanding of evolution.
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Right, that’s the point I been trying to make for years on this forum.In real life, things die, there’s no magical climate change that hangs around for millions years and pampers organisms to morph into something new and wonderful.
 
There are numerous branches of science that would disagree with you.

It’s nice; the more one talks with evolution deniers, the more one sees just how much science they have to oppose in order to hold a consistent opinion.
 
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Capta(name removed by moderator)rudeman said:
There are numerous branches of science that would disagree with you.

It’s nice; the more one talks with evolution deniers, the more one sees just how much science they have to oppose in order to hold a consistent opinion.
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First of all, where are all these beneficial climate changes coming from.There are millions and millions of different plant and animal species out there.How could there be millions of climate changes all working in perfect harmony with random mutations ?

Please give me a climate change scenario of how the Cauliflower plant came into being.
 
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Techno2000 said:
First of all, where are all these beneficial climate changes coming from.
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They come from, uh, interactions between earth and other natural things. How much do I need to explain?
Techno2000 said:
How could there be millions of climate changes all working in perfect harmony with random mutations ?
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The climate changes once. Things adapt to that over time.
Techno2000 said:
Please give me a climate change scenario of how the Cauliflower plant came into being.
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Cauliflower was selectively bred by humans from wild cabbage.
 
No, not at all. That’s not oversimplified, that’s just how it works.

Different orchid species are formed by different evolutionary lines.
 
At what point are you going to admit you don’t know enough about evolution to call it false?
 
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