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And why not? Because Jesus said “For my flesh is meat indeed: and my blood is drink indeed. He that eateth my flesh, and drinketh my blood, abideth in me, and I in him.” You are suggesting that Jesus deliberately let them remain confused. Remember, they left Him because they understood Him to be speaking literally.Christ himself said that no one comes to me unless the Father draws him. Christ wasn’t lying, the Father didn’t draw those that left. Just because some did not grasp what he said, does not mean he wanted them to eat his flesh and blood, it means they did not discern with the spirit.
Of course no one comes to Jesus except through the Father; and so, too, no one comes to the Father except through Jesus. But nowhere does Jesus say anything to the effect of “I reserve the right to trick My own disciples into walking away from Me because they understood Me to mean what I said.”
Why not say “remembrance”? He commanded us to continue His Sacrament of the Eucharist for all time in commemoration of Him.In Luke 22:19, Jesus says, "do this in remembrance of me.” If it was actually his body and blood, why would he say remembrance? He was telling them to remember his passion, that by it life comes because he offered himself once and for all for our sins.
“Do this in remembrance of me.” Do what? The Sacrament of the Eucharist. And what is that Sacrament? It is His flesh and blood.
True. There was only one sacrifice: Jesus’ Passion, death, and Resurrection. It is only through His sacrifice – and it is because of His sacrifice alone – that anyone is saved.Hebrews 10:10-12, "By the which will we are sanctified through the offering of the body of Jesus Christ once for all. And every priest standeth daily ministering and offering oftentimes the same sacrifices, which can never take away sins: But this man, after HE HAD OFFERED ONE SACRIFICE FOR SINS FOREVER, sat down on the right hand of God;"And Hebrews 10:16-18, “This is the covenant that I will make with them after those days, saith the Lord, I will put my laws into their hearts, and in their minds will I write them; And their sins and iniquities will I remember no more. Now where remission of these is,**THERE IS NO MORE OFFERING FOR SIN.” **
And Hebrews 9:12, it is written, “Neither by the blood of goats and calves, but by his own blood he entered in once into the holy place, having obtained eternal redemption for us.”
The thief on the cross next to Christ received salvation for believing on him, not for literally eating and drinking his flesh. So how was salvation given to this man? It was obviously given in the manner Christ had proclaimed it throughout all the gospels.
When a Catholic priest says Mass and celebrates the Sacrament of Holy Communion, he isn’t re-sacrificing Jesus; he is making all of those around him present at Jesus’ sacrifice.
If you think one part of the Bible should be discounted because it seems to contradict other parts of the Bible, then either (A) God is wrong; (B) your translation is wrong; or (C) your interpretation of the passage is wrong.When Christ was among EVERY OTHER CROWD, he spoke of believing on him to receive eternal life, he told many, “your faith has saved you”. This has nothing to do with literally eating his flesh which saved them.
Yes, faith can save – if you obey Jesus’ commands (remember that Scripture also teaches us that you can call Him “Lord, Lord,” and yet not be saved).
The Bible tells us that Jesus literally said that the Eucharist is His Body and Blood. You have yet to explain why we should disbelieve the Bible.
That is a conclusion that you have reached and keep repeating. But you’re missing the fact that Paul himself notes that they are consuming the Eucharist unworthily and are therefore “guilty of the body and of the blood of the Lord.” He specifically notes that “For he that eateth and drinketh unworthily, eateth and drinketh judgment to himself, not discerning the body of the Lord.”In regards to 1 Corinthians 10:16, This does not state they literally eat flesh and drink his blood. In the next verse, “Because there is one loaf, we, who are many, are one body, for we all share the one loaf.” He doesn’t say we share the flesh, its a loaf of bread. The one loaf of bread signifies the one body of believers. Yes, we can have symbolic meaning to our lives, just as we symbolically take up our crosses everyday through struggles other than a crucifixion. Just like we are branches of the vine.
As for 1 Corinthians 11:27-31
“So then, whoever eats the bread or drinks the cup of the Lord in an unworthy manner will be guilty of sinning against the body and blood of the Lord. 28 Everyone ought to examine themselves before they eat of the bread and drink from the cup. 29 For those who eat and drink without discerning the body of Christ eat and drink judgment on themselves. 30 That is why many among you are weak and sick, and a number of you have fallen asleep. 31 But if we were more discerning with regard to ourselves, we would not come under such judgment.”
Notice in verse 28, “Everyone ought to examine themselves before they eat of the BREAD and drink from the CUP” Why doesn’t he say eat of his flesh and brink of his blood?
Well, given the context of this chapter, Paul is upset with people coming hungry to the memorial, or doing things privately or for getting drunk, etc. We can see here a few verses later, 1 Corinthians 11:33-34, “SO THEN”, my brothers and sisters, when you gather to eat, you should all eat together. 34 Anyone who is hungry should eat something at home, so that when you meet together it may not result in judgment." This is the issue Paul had… It wasn’t a matter of literally eating of Christ’s flesh.
Paul, too, clearly understood Jesus to be talking literally. And history teaches us that all of the Apostles so understood Him.
We’re trying to get a point across to you: Jesus said “For my flesh is meat indeed: and my blood is drink indeed.” And you are saying, effectively, “No, it isn’t.” The Bible tells us that His disciples understood Him literally and left Him because of it; your explanation means that either (A) Jesus didn’t know that they misunderstood Him by taking a symbolic passage literally; or (B) Jesus deliberately let His followers doom themselves to Hell by misunderstanding Him.As you can imagine I have many posts to read and respond to. Also, for you who said I call my Lord and Savior a liar, that is a bit inappropriate.
Either we’re right, or Jesus tricked people into going to Hell. Why are you comfortable with that?