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Tomster
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Where can this Church be found? Is it visible? Is it invisible? Can it be both?
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Cat_Herder
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Hebrews 10 NRSV:Why do you leave out one of the most important verses in Heb 10?
But we are not of them who draw back unto perdition; but of them that believe to the saving of the soul.
Those that are truly saved, His sheep, are NOT those spoken of in the previous verses.
Paul is not referring to two separate groups, the saved and the unsaved. He is referring to one group, Christians, that includes himself.For if WE wilfully persist in sin after having received the knowledge of the truth, there no longer remains a sacrifice for sins, but a fearful prospect of judgement, and a fury of fire that will consume the adversaries.
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But WE are not among those who shrink back and so are lost, but among those who have faith and so are saved.
Unless, of course, you are going to try and change the definition of the word “we” …
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byfaithalone
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We all fall, and we will all continue to as long as we are in the flesh. Falling does not equal losing salvation.Fine and dandy! But, as Scripture says, be careful lest you fall.
Yes, we all do. We are fallen beings.But then, as you have already admitted, you have fallen since you first accepted Jesus Christ as your Lord and Savior.
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Tomster
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This was your response. What did you mean by “not necessarily”?Not necessarily.
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Tomster
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But you said the wages of sin are death. What did you mean by that?We all fall, and we will all continue to as long as we are in the flesh. Falling does not equal losing salvation.
Yes, we all do. We are fallen beings.
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clmowry
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This is the Transubstantiation Thread.
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byfaithalone
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Originally Posted by Hebrews 10 NRSVPaul is not referring to two separate groups, the saved and the unsaved. He is referring to one group, Christians, that includes himself.*
Unless, of course, you are going to try and change the definition of “we.”
For if WE wilfully persist in sin after having received the knowledge of the truth, there no longer remains a sacrifice for sins, but a fearful prospect of judgement, and a fury of fire that will consume the adversaries.
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But WE are not among those who shrink back and so are lost, but among those who have faith and so are saved.
Either WE can persist in sin, or WE are not among those who shrink back and are so lost.
It can’t be both. Wanna rethink that one?
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rben20
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Well you were a terrible catholic to begin with then…you just barely found out about Grace alone. Either your lying or you really had a poor upbringing tin the faith and to be honest you still do.I know what Catholics believe. I was Catholic for over 30 years. I deny the teaching of transubstantiation. Look up the stats, more than 50% of Catholics deny it.
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byfaithalone
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Because I knew where you were going with that verse.
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Tomster
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Faith without works is dead.Originally Posted by Hebrews 10 NRSV
For if WE wilfully persist in sin after having received the knowledge of the truth, there no longer remains a sacrifice for sins, but a fearful prospect of judgement, and a fury of fire that will consume the adversaries.
…*
But WE are not among those who shrink back and so are lost, but among those who have faith and so are saved.
Either WE can persist in sin, or WE are not among those who shrink back and are so lost.
It can’t be both. Wanna rethink that one?
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byfaithalone
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Are you serious?But you said the wages of sin are death. What did you mean by that?
For the wages of sin is death, but the gift of God is eternal life in Christ Jesus our Lord.
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byfaithalone
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No kidding.Faith without works is dead.
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byfaithalone
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Believers are very visible. Unless they are deceased believers.
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Tomster
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Actually, this is a classic example of a loss of Divine Faith given to one at baptism.Well you were a terrible catholic to being with then…you just barely found out about Grace alone. Either your lying or you really had a poor upbringing tin the faith and to be honest you still do.
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Cat_Herder
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Which is Paul?Originally Posted by Hebrews 10 NRSV
For if WE wilfully persist in sin after having received the knowledge of the truth, there no longer remains a sacrifice for sins, but a fearful prospect of judgement, and a fury of fire that will consume the adversaries.
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But WE are not among those who shrink back and so are lost, but among those who have faith and so are saved.
Either WE can persist in sin, or WE are not among those who shrink back and are so lost.
It can’t be both. Wanna rethink that one?
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Tomster
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So much for “faith alone”.No kidding.
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byfaithalone
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I won’t dignify those comments.
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byfaithalone
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Faith without works is no faith, not faith alone.So much for “faith alone”.
Faith without works is dead faith. Dead faith=no faith.
God grants our faith and God does not grant us dead faith.
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Cat_Herder
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Is that your answer to whether Paul is saved or not?I won’t dignify those comments.
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byfaithalone
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Sad that you even have to ask that question.
Which are YOU?
Which are YOU?
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