Trayvon Martin: Before the world heard the cries

  • Thread starter Thread starter SwizzleStick
  • Start date Start date
Status
Not open for further replies.
rlg94086 said:
I would think that would be pretty explainable. If you report someone suspicious, following the person to stay aware of his location makes sense. Otherwise, the police may not be able to locate the suspicious character when they show up. Again, the following of Martin is not a strong argument for the prosecution. They would have to prove Zimmerman’s intent was malicious.

Also, I’m not clear on whether he continued to follow Martin; stopped after being told it wasn’t needed; gave up after he lost sight of him; etc. maybe there is some clearer evidence that will be presented to clear that up.
Click to expand...
Following the person to keep their location in mind, FROM A SAFE DISTANCE, yes. There is no need and I would say it’s actually unsafe, to follow a suspicious person close enough that a confrontation is allowed to happen. To my mind, following too closely is Zimmerman’s main mistake.
 
TheRealJuliane said:
You guys can joke all you want, but the prosecutor in the murder jury I served on said this is a real problem. People watch these shows and think there really is such a thing as a “tire tread database” that cops can just pull up any old time. So reasonable evidence becomes doubtful when prosecutors can’t show juries all the flash-bang investigations and tie it all up in a neat bow.
Click to expand...
The CSI shows are fun, but very over-the-top. I love the technology they have on the shows…that no CSI departments on the planet have. 😛

Anyway, I don’t see how they are a problem in the courts. The juries aren’t allowed to present evidence or make an argument.
 
Sabda said:
Following the person to keep their location in mind, FROM A SAFE DISTANCE, yes. There is no need and I would say it’s actually unsafe, to follow a suspicious person close enough that a confrontation is allowed to happen. To my mind, following too closely is Zimmerman’s main mistake.
Click to expand...
Mistake, perhaps. Criminal? That’s a tougher case to make.
 
rlg94086 said:
I agree their has been “extraordinary venom” from posters on this topic. I’ve seen it from both sides. The uncharitable assumptions about the police, the accused and the victim have been pretty shameful. Your posts included.

Let’s all hope that justice prevails.
Click to expand...
Since you’ve accused me,
now I must ask you:
do you exclude yourself regarding any venom?
It does seem that you do so, excuse yourself, that is.

Would that make you singularly blameless?.
 
catharina said:
Must ask you:
do you exclude yourself regarding any venom?
It does seem that you do so.
Click to expand...
I haven’t posted anything venomous on these Martin/Zimmerman threads that I know of. Perhaps, you can create a greatest hits for me.
 
rlg94086 said:
I haven’t posted anything venomous on these Martin/Zimmerman threads that I know of. Perhaps, you can create a greatest hits for me.
Click to expand...
Thank you, but no.
I can’t be bothered with it.

PS - my entire and editted post said this:

Since you’ve accused me,
now I must ask you:
do you exclude yourself regarding any venom?
It does seem that you do so, excuse yourself, that is.

Would that make you singularly blameless?.
 
catharina said:
Thank you, but no.
I can’t be bothered with it.

PS - my entire and editted post said this:

Since you’ve accused me,
now I must ask you:
do you exclude yourself regarding any venom?
It does seem that you do so, excuse yourself, that is.

Would that make you singularly blameless?.
Click to expand...
Why are you suddenly obsessed with this? I told you I would reply to your request for examples, and I will. If you have an accusation against me, please present it. There is no reason for you to go all hypocritical on me.
 
Ah the wheels of justice. That was a dog and pony show if I ever seen one.

Murder 2 do you think they have the evidence?
 
rlg94086 said:
Why are you suddenly obsessed with this? I told you I would reply to your request for examples, and I will. If you have an accusation against me, please present it. There is no reason for you to go all hypocritical on me.
Click to expand...
Pardon me?

Obsessed?
Hypocritical?

Maybe you’re not exactly blameless if you freely
accuse others in such vague but lethal terms.
 
rlg94086 said:
The CSI shows are fun, but very over-the-top. I love the technology they have on the shows…that no CSI departments on the planet have. 😛

Anyway, I don’t see how they are a problem in the courts. The juries aren’t allowed to present evidence or make an argument.
Click to expand...
Unfortunately, crime shows have given people just enough information to be dangerous. Some people start to confuse fantasy with reality and believe themselves to be more knowledgeable than they really are.
 
rlg94086 said:
The CSI shows are fun, but very over-the-top. I love the technology they have on the shows…that no CSI departments on the planet have. 😛

Anyway, I don’t see how they are a problem in the courts. The juries aren’t allowed to present evidence or make an argument.
Click to expand...
Because some juries now want a “locked up tight, tons of forensic evidence, DNA proof” of any crime.

If the DA doesn’t have all of that or a confession, the jury will not find against the defendant. 🤷

That ends up being a problem because it is only very rarely that a case can be presented that way.
 
catharina said:
Pardon me?

Obsessed?
Hypocritical?

Maybe you’re not exactly blameless if you freely
accuse others in such vague but lethal terms.
Click to expand...
I mentioned it in one post, and it was hardly “lethal.” Now, you are chasing after me…maybe a dispatcher needs to step in and tell you it’s not necessary. 😛

We are off topic. if you wish to start a vendetta against me, you will have to start another thread.
 
rlg94086 said:
The CSI shows are fun, but very over-the-top. I love the technology they have on the shows…that no CSI departments on the planet have. 😛

Anyway, I don’t see how they are a problem in the courts. The juries aren’t allowed to present evidence or make an argument.
Click to expand...
The shows DEFINITELY DO cause problems in juries. Some people expect that kind of a resolution, that kind of evidence, the “tire tread database,” the “cigarette butt” database or whatever. The forensics that DO NOT EXIST. So there are more hung juries and acquittals because the prosecution cannot possibly prove their case like on an episode of CSI.
 
Dawnia said:
Unfortunately, crime shows have given people just enough information to be dangerous. Some people start to confuse fantasy with reality and believe themselves to be more knowledgeable than they really are.
Click to expand...
maryjk said:
Because some juries now want a “locked up tight, tons of forensic evidence, DNA proof” of any crime.

If the DA doesn’t have all of that or a confession, the jury will not find against the defendant. 🤷

That ends up being a problem because it is only very rarely that a case can be presented that way.
Click to expand...
TheRealJuliane said:
The shows DEFINITELY DO cause problems in juries. Some people expect that kind of a resolution, that kind of evidence, the “tire tread database,” the “cigarette butt” database or whatever. The forensics that DO NOT EXIST. So there are more hung juries and acquittals because the prosecution cannot possibly prove their case like on an episode of CSI.
Click to expand...
All valid points, but I still enjoy the shows - not Miami though. I like the original and NY. If its a problem for prosecutors, that is unfortunate, but there is not much any of us can do about it. …other than complain. 🙂
 
Hi, Seekerz,

You will be pleased to know that Florida Special Prosecutor Angela Corey has charged Zimmerman with 2nd degree murder. He will have his day in court and be judged by a jury of his peer to determine his guilt or innocence - and we will eventually know the facts of what took place.

God bless
seekerz said:
No, because human life is not so cheap that you can play cops and robbers with someone’s kid and go scot-free when that kid ends up dead. Zimmerman needs to be tried in a court of law.
Click to expand...
 
catharina said:
Not speculating - asking questions only.
Click to expand...
No, speculating.

750 posts when NO ONE here knows what happened? Really? But most people are willing to guess what happened and convict Mr. Zimmerman before he’d even been charged. Just about everyone I encounter has an opinion, although we have personally seen NONE of the evidence and what we have seen and heard has been PURPOSELY altered to make Mr. Zimmerman appear to be a racist.

I have to state again: NO ONE knows what happened that night. Zimmerman has his account. Martin is dead. The witnesses saw only part of it. But lots of people are willing to believe that they DO know what happened.
 
Status
Not open for further replies.
Back
Top